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Knimrod
05-17-2006, 12:32 AM
Gun records: Bill to make CCW documents secret is a non-starter
May 16, 2006
A Lansing State Journal editorial

The Michigan House now has a bill that would hide another government function from public scrutiny, a bill that would make public officials less accountable.

And all, we are told, in the name of personal privacy.

Don't buy it, Michigan.

House Bill 5217 would seal away records on concealed weapons permits - make such records immune from the state's ever-besieged Freedom of Information Act.

Under a court decision, such records now can be withheld by government officials on privacy grounds. Michigan courts have said the names and addresses of those who apply for permits are personal and private.

HB 5217 goes one step beyond that stand, though, by saying such records must be withheld from the public. As usual when government bids for secrecy, this is dangerous stuff for the public.

Back in 2000, the Michigan Legislature was pushed to "reform" concealed weapons law by limiting the discretion of county permit boards.

Then, the argument was that these local boards were inconsistent and even played favorites with permits - issuing them to only those favored few. Under the new law, county boards "must issue" permits to all qualifying applicants.

If you buy the logic of that law, the local boards - on which the county prosecutor and county sheriff sit - can't be trusted to act on their own discretion.

Yet, if HB 5217 becomes law, how would the public know if the county boards were acting appropriately?

Key application information - who is getting a permit and who isn't - would be secret.

Officials have to comply with court decisions, even those that could restrict the flow of important public information. But lawmakers do not have to add to the problem by making secrecy mandatory, making public knowledge and oversight less complete.

There may be some folks out there who would prefer secret gun records. Most Michiganians, we suspect, would prefer open government.

Link to article (http://lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060516/OPINION01/605160309&SearchID=73244784314837)

joen
05-17-2006, 12:53 PM
Well, I am a Michiganian and it is none of my business who owns firearms, who has a license to carry or what organizations a person may belong to. So there, Lansing State Journal!

Thrindle
05-17-2006, 01:28 PM
WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE? When P.A. 381 was passed, it already excluded names from FOIA. Why do we need a privacy law when we already have one?

Hyperion
05-17-2006, 01:55 PM
Another quality editorial from your friends at the Lansing State Urinal.

:tclaw::piss:

Done Deal
05-17-2006, 09:57 PM
Well, I dunno about the bill but I do know that Scott Hummel who introduced the bill is definitely pro-gun so....

And, he and his office provided me with a ton of guidance when the local gun board was operating outside the law and jacking me around. He is for sure on the side of gun owners so, I don't know what to make of the criticizm of the bill...

ratmaster
05-19-2006, 06:33 PM
I dont feel anyone needs to know what I have and what I dont. Why is this a issue?

SteveS
05-24-2006, 09:10 AM
WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE? When P.A. 381 was passed, it already excluded names from FOIA. Why do we need a privacy law when we already have one?


IIRC, county gun board minutes are not excluded from FOIA. They can contain the names of applicants.

I don't know if the LSJ would pull the same stunt as some papers in Ohio and release a list of permit holders, but it wouldn't surprise me. They have consistently opposed CCW and any bill that would improve my ability to defend myself.

Batman
05-29-2006, 04:56 PM
I got a better idea. Lets just eliminate all gun CPL's and green card safety certs. and have no law like Alaska and Vermont. Buy what you want, carry what you want whenever you want and know one will know. Works for me!8)