In your mind..... [Archive] - MGO Community Forum

Garbo

09-12-2008, 04:42 PM

True,, the pres unlike us common folk have a buncha SS agents paid to jump in front of the bullets for him. Heck he is probly safer witout it if you think about it. With as much protection as he has if anyone gets close enough to him his lil handgun wont likely be any more effective than everything else there to protect him. So instead of jerking around with the pistole he needs to get outta dodge. Again tho,, Idont see why the pres is any different, let him carry away.

skoltuniak

09-12-2008, 04:46 PM

He's in too many CEZ's for him to ever get any use out of a CPL. Maybe they would make an exception for him. Otherwise it would set one hell of a precedence when it went to court!

ltdave

09-12-2008, 06:19 PM

while the MOVIE about Patton took certain artistic license im sure, 'lil ol' George S. junior carried a couple that im sure were more bravado and 'bling' than for actual self-defense...

i say, give President McCain and Vice President Palin a matched set of Colt 1911A1s in either Commander or Officer length, blue, with real Ivory stock panels with the Presidential seal and engraving appropriate for a Presidential Pistol. maybe someplace on the slide the dates of office could be engraved. special serial numbers could be ordered say, the Pres and Veep

damn! now i wish i had the jing to do these up for them. knowing MY luck someone else will do this and ill get no credit...poop...

dougwg

09-12-2008, 06:42 PM

Maybe just engrave "NOBAMA" on the slide :)

Done Deal

09-13-2008, 10:31 AM

I suspect that the SS would frown upon that.

The last thing we need is a President trying to show how to "stand your ground"....

It appears that at this point, I am the lone NO vote.

Oh well....

dougwg

09-13-2008, 11:08 AM

One of the problems is that Tucker asked 4 different questions.

Is it okay for a President to Pack heat? A president? or just the USP

Is it ok for the President (in general) to carry a pistol? Ok, yes. He has his finger on the button of nukes but can't be trusted with a 9mm?

If its legal for him to do so (I think it is, right?) He is "The Commander in Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. Just like an Officer, he can pack.

would anyone have a problem with it? Some will, some won't.

I don't think he would really need to carry though as DD has said, he has SS to protect him.

thumbody

09-14-2008, 12:06 PM

Yes,UNLESS he/she has voted to restrict my 2nd amendment rights!

Made_in_Michigan

09-14-2008, 12:33 PM

Yes,UNLESS he/she has voted to restrict my 2nd amendment rights!

Anyone who has voted to infringe on my right to bear arms should not only NOT carry, they should not be afforded the privilege of armed security.

Venator12

09-14-2008, 04:56 PM

I suspect that the SS would frown upon that.

The last thing we need is a President trying to show how to "stand your ground"....

It appears that at this point, I am the lone NO vote.

Oh well....
But your used to that.

Done Deal

09-15-2008, 09:02 AM

But your used to that.

I am used to considering the ramifications of certain things before reaching a decision....yes indeed.

You ought to try it some time.

joed

09-16-2008, 09:31 AM

I would word it like this... "A President shall not be denied the right to carry". But honestly what's the point. There is never an opportunity where the President would have to defend himself. SS physically shields him from flying bullets, and they will die doing so.

If the President were ever in a situation where he drew his pistol from a concealed holster, he better hope there's only one guy out there shooting at him.

But just to exercise the right to do it would be cool enough for me! But the whole point is to defend yourself. We all know the saying, "I carry a pistol because a cop is too heavy", and we all use the argument that the government should not deny us the right to carry because they don't provide us with 24 hour body guards. Well... the President has all that, so it defeats the purpose of carrying for protection.

Done Deal

09-16-2008, 09:38 AM

If the President were ever in a situation where he drew his pistol from a concealed holster, he better hope there's only one guy out there shooting at him.

But don't forget....this is the OC forum....just imagine the issues that the President of the US would encounter.....yikes.

dontfeelbad

09-22-2008, 08:03 PM

Haha, if I was the president I would carry a saw'd off shot gun, a compact submachine gun of some sorts, and a pistol. Well, what ever combination of the 3 is comfortable. Someone tries to arrest the president. Just have someone go get his stationary, write himself up a pardon, get out in like 5 mins?

MINISFORME

09-27-2008, 09:55 AM

I remember reading somewhere that the President of the United States cannot legally carry a pistol. Not sure where.
Will try to find a link to it.

Jeff

Done Deal

10-06-2008, 02:31 PM

I remember reading somewhere that the President of the United States cannot legally carry a pistol. Not sure where.
Will try to find a link to it.

Jeff

See if ya can find some law that says the President of the United States cannot be an attorney....

Our founding fathers really messed up on that one...

Al Lowe

10-09-2008, 10:54 AM

While I don't have a problem with the Pres or the VP packing heat, it would be nearly useless, as in any dangerous situation, the Secret Service just essentially carries them away from the danger.

Now, IF by some wild chance, their SS detail is disabled, then I think it would be a good idea for them to have heat, just in case.

Howard000003

10-10-2008, 12:56 AM

I just assume the President does not carry. His job for his four-year term is lead my country. Let the SS agents protect him. If he carries a gun, it would be assumed, should the need ever arise, that he will use the gun. If this were to happen, he is now deemed more of liability then an asset.

TAC

10-16-2008, 03:53 PM

Depends on who's the president! Definitely not our current Vice President!
:stooges:

Blag

10-22-2008, 04:22 PM

I dont see a problem with it though He/She should have no need to considering all the security with him anyways. :P

mitunnelrat

10-22-2008, 08:40 PM

The president should be granted the same constitutional rights available to everyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.

Done Deal

10-23-2008, 08:48 AM

The president should be granted the same constitutional rights available to everyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.

True, but....the original question to the thread is not specific about rights per say....

I didn't interpret the question as pertaining to rights....but, right or not...there is just no way that it would be prudent for the prez to pack.

mitunnelrat

10-23-2008, 10:50 AM

Is it ok for the President (in general) to carry a pistol? If its legal for him to do so (I think it is, right?) would anyone have a problem with it?

Ok DD, lets run it this way. It may not have been addressed specifically about rights, but they are central to the bigger issue. Public opinion and contrary laws don't override rights.

Is it ok? Yes
Is it legal? Maybe, it depends on whether or not there is an unconstitutional restriction denying him the rkba.
Would anyone have a problem? Amazingly, yes.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

District of Columbia v. Heller has affirmed that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditional lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200806261278/homeland-security/second-amendment-affirmed-read-scalia-s-opinion.html

The President is still a citizen of the United States, so I stand by my original comment.

Done Deal

10-23-2008, 01:21 PM

Ok DD, lets run it this way. It may not have been addressed specifically about rights, but they are central to the bigger issue. Public opinion and contrary laws don't override rights.

Is it ok? Yes
Is it legal? Maybe, it depends on whether or not there is an unconstitutional restriction denying him the rkba.
Would anyone have a problem? Amazingly, yes.

The President is still a citizen of the United States, so I stand by my original comment.

But, like I answered...."the President shouldn't pack"

In the context used, the word should and variations was not used in the permissive sense as it would pertain to lawful carry.

And, since we are speaky hypothetically since is is never gonna happen anyway....why would anybody in their right mind want the President to open carry or stand his ground?

mitunnelrat

10-23-2008, 01:53 PM

But, like I answered...."the President shouldn't pack"

...why would anybody in their right mind want the President to open carry or stand his ground?

You are entitled to your opinion, but it still stands that it runs contrary to the Constitution and a recent SCOTUS ruling on the subject.

Why would anybody in their right mind want to restrict a person's ability to exercise their rights?

who dat

10-23-2008, 01:57 PM

If I were the president, I probably wouldn't pack. I wouldn't carry cash, or a wallet, or keys, or heck, maybe even wouldn't get dressed!

I'd depend on seriously trained, well armed agents to cover me and shield me with their bodies and to buy my Slurpies. Why would I take the chance when they're paid to "take one for the team"?

The previous comment was meant as a joke, not an opinion. Please use this disclaimer as needed.

Done Deal

10-23-2008, 02:13 PM

Why would anybody in their right mind want to restrict a person's ability to exercise their rights?

Perhaps you should ask the Secret Service about that...

Matt`G

10-23-2008, 10:13 PM

mitunnelrat

10-24-2008, 01:52 AM

It's sad, really. I posted this same poll on another forum I frequent. Its only got 34 votes to its credit but its 100% in favor of the president being able to carry. There isn't a single vote against it. I find it disturbing that there are anti-votes here, but I won't debate it any more. I've posted my position and rebutted the contrary view. I don't see any need to drag it further.

Done Deal

10-24-2008, 06:35 AM

This is either the funniest or saddest thread I think I've ever read. I'm getting a kick out of pro-gun-rights people arguing about whether or not the US Military Commander-in-Chief should be allowed to keep and bear arms. :p

Is it?

Maybe that is why I voted no (as in 'it will never happen') because I thought it was about whether the Prez should OC or not.....

Perhaps if the poll was worded differently, it might have received different responses.

Detroit Tackleberry

10-25-2008, 07:10 AM

OK people I hate to be the bearer of bad new. But do you think the Commander n Cheif doesn't have a loaded firearm on or near his person? Ok maybe if he's a Democrat. But a Republican President I would imagine is already packin. I know if I was the POTUSOA I would be.

And for the sake of this discussion I voted YES because he is an American first in fore most so if he wants to be armed like the rest of us then so be it. And if you think otherwise I'll concider you a commy bastard....... Not pointing any fingers..........lol

But your used to that.

LMAO..... I concur

This guy certainly likes to shoot off more then his firearms.......

dougwg

10-25-2008, 09:48 AM

Don't pay too much attention to Done Deal, as he himself has stated in the past, he "don't think like normal people do".

Detroit Tackleberry

10-25-2008, 03:53 PM

:twocents: No offence but from what I gathered he is a know all never wrong kinda guy.....Which is fine when your right. More so I think he likes to disagree for thr sake of argument...... Again no offence to each there own!

Don't pay too much attention to Done Deal, as he himself has stated in the past, he "don't think like normal people do".

Done Deal

10-25-2008, 09:55 PM

:twocents: No offence but from what I gathered he is a know all never wrong kinda guy.....Which is fine when your right. More so I think he liks to disagree for thr sake of argument...... Again no offence to each there own!

Well, I hope you have plenty of tp for the crap you seem to have gathered because that is all it amounts to.

Take a look at the forum
Take a look at the title of the thread
Take a look at the poll
Take a look at the options.

Read the entire thread and...consider the following.

You might want to engage your brain before you start spouting off like a couple of other clowns on here....

dougwg

10-26-2008, 03:49 PM

rustyreel

10-26-2008, 10:46 PM

would d.c. issue a permit:usa:

Detroit Tackleberry

10-31-2008, 04:17 AM

I :heart: You Done!

Well, I hope you have plenty of tp for the crap you seem to have gathered because that is all it amounts to.

Take a look at the forum
Take a look at the title of the thread
Take a look at the poll
Take a look at the options.

Read the entire thread and...consider the following.

You might want to engage your brain before you start spouting off like a couple of other clowns on here....

dhaas

11-04-2008, 06:55 PM

Yes he should be allowed to carry is he so chooses, abiding by the same laws and regulations as the rest of us.

That being said, like others have stated there really isn't a need for him to carry, and I highly doubt there would ever arise a situation were he needed to use it.

robertgreen

11-06-2008, 05:33 AM

hmm i think he has the right to carry as he is the commander in cheif and almost every officer i ever incountered while in the army was packing a pistol....at least.

MarkoPo

11-08-2008, 12:15 PM

I voted NO. That's what secret service is for. Imagine if he did shoot someone, they would have give him an administrative leave like anyone else who does on the job until it can be sorted out. The Presidency has too many other things to worry about other than self defense. I say bad idea all around.