Open carry information meeting in Monroe.

[Venator12]

A good oppertunity to learn more about Open carry. If you get the chance stop by and have a cup of coffee and enjoy.

Who: Michigan Open Carry (MOC)
What: A Q&A session on the legality of the open carry of a handgun in Michigan.
When: Sunday November 2nd, 1:00 PM
Where: Café Classics Coffee House- 29 S. Monroe, Monroe, MI.
Why: To educate the Public and Law Enforcement on the legality of Open carry in Michigan.

A Michigan Open Carry (MOC) event is being held Sunday November 2nd, at 1:00 PM at the Café Classics Coffee House- 29 S. Monroe, corner of Front and Monroe, Monroe, MI. This informal event will have legal experts and members of law enforcement available to speak and answer question on the legality of open carry of a handgun in Michigan. MOC’s main guest will be former City of Monroe prosecutor. Scheduled to attend is a legal liaison from the Michigan State Police, an assistant Attorney General (Detroit Office), former and current local judges and a representative of the Monroe Police Department. Invitations have been extended to the Monroe County Sheriff and County Prosecutor. This event is open to anyone that wants to learn more about the lawful open carry of a handgun in Michigan. There is the likelihood of door prizes and giveaways by local merchants.

[dougwg]

"The Chamber of Commerce was all for the gathering"

"The Monroe Evening News will be printing an interview on this"

"John Patterson of Monroe county tourism and information bureau welcomes MOC to Monroe"

"Mark the owner of Cigars & Conversations @ 45 South Monroe's also welcoming MOC"

"We really need people to show up to this event. I received word, but not verified, that the Monroe Police Chief, the Fire Chief, the Major and the city attorney intimidated the owner of the Café (Saying she would lose business with all those gun nuts here) in trying to get her to not allow us to gather in her restaurant. If this is true, then the actions of these civil servants are despicable and an abuse of power. It is not the duty of the PD to intimidate private business owners into who they can or can't serve in their stores, especially when the concern is for a lawful activity.

The owner would not back down and said that business is down and if she made even $50, she would be ecstatic. A fallout of this is that the cigar store owner down the street heard about us and want our business as well."

Some of the media that has stated they will cover the event.
Detroit News
Fox 2 weekend
Toledo's WTOL-TV-11

[Samurai Jack]

:clap:

[Done Deal]

[QUOTE=dougwg I received word, but not verified, that the Monroe Police Chief, the Fire Chief, the Major and the city attorney intimidated the owner of the Café (Saying she would lose business with all those gun nuts here) in trying to get her to not allow us to gather in her restaurant.

If this is true, then the actions of these civil servants are despicable and an abuse of power. [/QUOTE]

Don't you think that it would be prudent to verify these allegations before you make that kind of statement on the internet?

[dougwg]

Did you guys hear something?.....No?..... I thought I heard an annoying buzzing sound....

[Done Deal]

" I received word, but not verified, that the Monroe Police Chief, the Fire Chief, the Major and the city attorney intimidated the owner of the Café (Saying she would lose business with all those gun nuts here) in trying to get her to not allow us to gather in her restaurant.

Yup, annoying buzz indeed....

[mastiff]

Well the wife and i plan on going to the meeting, gathering, and we will be eating and drinking and spending money at all of the stores that open there doors to us.

I am sure that if they close her doors and cause the meeting to be cancelled that the political fall out on those individuals may cause them to have to look elsewhere for a job :piss: (just my opinion)

[Venator12]

Don't you think that it would be prudent to verify these allegations before you make that kind of statement on the internet?

Is this your first visit to the internet? I just wondered because you may find that the internet contains all kinds of information with some being occasionally correct.:scholar:

[Garbo]

Is this your first visit to the internet? I just wondered because you may find that the internet contains all kinds of information with some being occasionally correct.:scholar:

In fairness to DD and the benefit to the movement it would be a good idea to get some verification. You're using this forum to annouce the evets so some may be relying on these posts for accurate info. You could be stirring up anomosity towards the PD on a rumor that could be 100% untrue. You may find support in Monroe but if everyone shows up there with an attitude or if the PD gets wind that this is being stirred up then things may not go as smooth as they should. Good luck and I hope all goes well.

[who dat]

Don't you think that it would be prudent to verify these allegations before you make that kind of statement on the internet?
Geez, DD, there you go again, thinking different. You know, asking logical questions, wanting facts, spreading truth and knowledge. What were you thinking??

[Done Deal]

Geez, DD, there you go again, thinking different. You know, asking logical questions, wanting facts, spreading truth and knowledge. What were you thinking??


I know...I know....:doh: :doh:

Will I ever learn?;)

[dougwg]

I know...I know....:doh: :doh:

Will I ever learn?;)

I really do dis-like keyboard warriors.

How bout you show up or shut up done deal?

[Done Deal]

How bout you show up or shut up done deal?

I have better things to do....it is hunting season and I will be in a layout boat on a lake somewhere in this fine state.

Or, if things are a bust tomorrow...I will be back home in a tree.

Ya'all have your kinda fun....I would much rather be shooting stuff.

[who dat]

I really do dis-like keyboard warriors.

How bout you show up or shut up done deal?
...and that's not "in your face"?

[dougwg]

You two clowns and your tag team antics are really getting old.

Why is it that no matter what the post about OC you two chowder heads feel the need to chime in and spew your hate.

You two are acting like a$$holes just for the sake of nothing better to do.

Your harassment doesn't go unnoticed.

[dougwg]

who dat, I know you're just a "Bored early retiree" but maybe you could find some other hobby besides harassing me?

Please don't reply, please just go away.

[who dat]

You two clowns and your tag team antics are really getting old.

Why is it that no matter what the post about OC you two chowder heads feel the need to chime in and spew your hate.

You two are acting like a$$holes just for the sake of nothing better to do.

Your harassment doesn't go unnoticed.
And whenever I post something, it's you, Venator and ghostrider. Quid pro quo if you ask me.

I'll stay out of your posts when you start being civil.

[dougwg]

I'm not asking you, I'm telling you.

We DO NOT come into "your threads" and tag team attack you or the thread.

You and Done Deal do exactly that and it's getting pathetic.

P.S. What the hell do you have against ghostrider? What has he EVER done to warrant any animosity from you? You and Done Deal really need to get your heads unstuck from each others colons.

P.P.S. I do not draw first blood. The only reason I become uncivil is in response to your and Done Deals attacks.

[who dat]

I'm not asking you, I'm telling you.

We DO NOT come into "your threads" and tag team attack you or the thread.

You and Done Deal do exactly that and it's getting pathetic.

P.S. What the hell do you have against ghostrider? What has he EVER done to warrant any animosity from you? You and Done Deal really need to get your heads unstuck from each others colons.

P.P.S. I do not draw first blood. The only reason I become uncivil is in response to your and Done Deals attacks.
I think you have a short memory.

[dougwg]

I think you have a failing memory.

[who dat]

I think you have a failing memory.
Apparently you don't remember my post directly aimed at Brian. You remember, the one that said, "Brian..."

After which, you jumped all over me. My only problem with you is your incessant badgering of those who may question you or have a different mindset. Your attitude is that of a schoolyard bully, and I think you, and you alone in the OC contingent, are a detriment to gun owners everywhere.

Now go turn this in to whoever you have watching me.

[dougwg]

If you post in an OPEN and PUBLIC FORUM, any logical and rational person would and should expect others to chime in and comment.

If you didn't want anyone else to comment or respond to your BS remarks you should have PM'ed Brian. This is what most people would do that have any sense at all.

You launched an unwarranted and unfounded attack on what he wrote and him personally. YOU drew first blood. I just returned the favor.

Now go stuff that into whatever orifice you choose.

What the hell do you have against ghostrider? What has he EVER done to warrant any animosity from you?

[who dat]

If you post in an OPEN and PUBLIC FORUM, any logical and rational person would and should expect others to chime in and comment.


And once again, you prove my point.

[ghostrider]

...

What the hell do you have against ghostrider? What has he EVER done to warrant any animosity from you?
No kidding!

I haven't even been involved in this thread, and I'm getting jumped on.

Niice!

[dougwg]

Like a rabid dog lashing out at anything in sight.....

[Venator12]

The event went very well, we had about 75 people show up throughout the afternoon. The business owners were very happy with our group and they doubled there normal receipts. They said OCers are welcome anytime in their café (they have the coney place next door too.). The attorney's talk on FOIA was very good and I think people went away better informed about the legality of OC and FOIA.

The opencarry.org site has a few photos posted of the event for those that want to take a look. Thanks to all those that helped put this together, if we could have more events like this all over the state then we would be that much closer to obtaining our goal of educating the public about OC.

[Done Deal]

So, were the allegations of misconduct by city representatives ever substantiated?

[johnzilla]

A good oppertunity to learn more about Open carry. If you get the chance stop by and have a cup of coffee and enjoy.

Who: Michigan Open Carry (MOC)
What: A Q&A session on the legality of the open carry of a handgun in Michigan.
When: Sunday November 2nd, 1:00 PM
Where: Café Classics Coffee House- 29 S. Monroe, Monroe, MI.
Why: To educate the Public and Law Enforcement on the legality of Open carry in Michigan.

A Michigan Open Carry (MOC) event is being held Sunday November 2nd, at 1:00 PM at the Café Classics Coffee House- 29 S. Monroe, corner of Front and Monroe, Monroe, MI. This informal event will have legal experts and members of law enforcement available to speak and answer question on the legality of open carry of a handgun in Michigan. MOC’s main guest will be former City of Monroe prosecutor. Scheduled to attend is a legal liaison from the Michigan State Police, an assistant Attorney General (Detroit Office), former and current local judges and a representative of the Monroe Police Department. Invitations have been extended to the Monroe County Sheriff and County Prosecutor. This event is open to anyone that wants to learn more about the lawful open carry of a handgun in Michigan. There is the likelihood of door prizes and giveaways by local merchants.

Saw this too late...

A suggestion? Ask the moderators to post this as an announcement on the front page in the future. I would hope they would do this for any firearm advocacy event.

[johnzilla]

The event went very well, we had about 75 people show up throughout the afternoon. The business owners were very happy with our group and they doubled there normal receipts. They said OCers are welcome anytime in their café (they have the coney place next door too.). The attorney's talk on FOIA was very good and I think people went away better informed about the legality of OC and FOIA.

The opencarry.org site has a few photos posted of the event for those that want to take a look. Thanks to all those that helped put this together, if we could have more events like this all over the state then we would be that much closer to obtaining our goal of educating the public about OC.

Link to the pictures? I didn't see anything at opencarry.org past Oct 21.

[dougwg]

Link to the pictures? I didn't see anything at opencarry.org past Oct 21.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/17431-4.html

[nightflurry]

Gah! I can't believe I missed this. I live a few blocks away and used to go there all the time for coffee.

[pyzik]

I am bummed I missed this. I missed the Ann Arbor picnic as well...
(I was not a member of this forum at that time)

As someone else stated, maybe informing moderators of such events could get them posted in a more conspicuous place? In the Information Desk, Announcement section?
An area that get togethers of ALL types (OC, CC, Shoots, hunts, political, ect.) can be easily seen.

[Knimrod]

I am bummed I missed this. I missed the Ann Arbor picnic as well...
(I was not a member of this forum at that time)

As someone else stated, maybe informing moderators of such events could get them posted in a more conspicuous place? In the Information Desk, Announcement section?
An area that get togethers of ALL types (OC, CC, Shoots, hunts, political, ect.) can be easily seen.

Anyone can enter events in our calendar.

[Done Deal]

So, were the allegations of misconduct by city representatives ever substantiated?




Updates????

[dougwg]

Yes, I talked to the owner and he confirmed it..... but thats not real proof now is it.

[Done Deal]

Yes, I talked to the owner and he confirmed it..... but thats not real proof now is it.

He confirmed what you alleged eh? Hmmmm.....

If all that really happened, you would have thought that the media would have run wild with it. But, aren't they supposed to really substantiate stories before they put them to print so that their stories don't come back and bite them in the ash?

[dougwg]

I alleged nothing!

[Done Deal]

I received word, but not verified, that the Monroe Police Chief, the Fire Chief, the Major and the city attorney intimidated the owner of the Café (Saying she would lose business with all those gun nuts here) in trying to get her to not allow us to gather in her restaurant. If this is true, then the actions of these civil servants are despicable and an abuse of power. It is not the duty of the PD to intimidate private business owners into who they can or can't serve in their stores, especially when the concern is for a lawful activity.




Ok, if you didn't post this.....who did?

[who dat]

Ok, if you didn't post this.....who did?
There you go again, DD. Quoting facts and asking reasonable questions. Will you never learn?

[fbuckner]

Twas the Ghost of Christmas past.

[dougwg]

I didn't say I didn't post it. I said I alleged nothing.

If you look at the original post you will see that I used quote marks around some of those statements.

I was simply re-posting the information and I made that very clear by not only using quote marks but also italicizing the statement.

Here's a link for the three of you, possibly it might help http://dictionary.reference.com/

Why can't you guys get off my di(k.

[Done Deal]

I was simply re-posting the information and I made that very clear by not only using quote marks but also italicizing the statement.



Apparently, you simply don't know how to quote somebody in the proper form so as to identify the source and not mislead readers.

Perhaps it is you that should revisit the message that you posted as well as replies and then determine if that was in fact the message that you were attempting to convey.

[dougwg]

One should not assume.

[Done Deal]

One should not assume.

Ok.

Either you didn't know what you were doing or you intentionally attempted to mislead when you posted those claims of official misconduct.

Which was it?

[dougwg]

Ok.

Either you didn't know what you were doing or you intentionally attempted to mislead when you posted those claims of official misconduct.

Which was it?

Or I figured I was dealing with intelligent people and they would understand that a statement in quotes and also italicized was not mine but rather copied from somewhere else and pasted here on MGO.

Here you go assuming stuff again. Like those 2 choices that you offer are the only possible ones.

Are you ignorant or just being a jackass?

Which is it?

Oh thats right, you're neither. You just like to harass me and it's obvious that your primary purpose here is to cause trouble and/or instigate a flame war against me.

[Valhalla SS]

I think a crowd is gathering to watch the fight. Everyone here realizes the only way to resolve these issues is for you two to Roshambo to settle it (kick or punch each other in the berries, last man standing wins)Done Deal, give him one for me for calling me a retard:pityfool:

[Done Deal]

Are you ignorant or just being a jackass?

Which is it?

Oh thats right, you're neither.

Wrong again...apparently I am quite ignorant when it comes to recognizing that you have positive motives for posting much of what you do.

But, back to your post....you posted (without providing the source of this so called quote of yours) so, really now....what would you have intelligent people believe....that you were just mistaken or, you again had some less than honorable intent?

[Venator12]

Apparently, you simply don't know how to quote somebody in the proper form so as to identify the source and not mislead readers.

Perhaps it is you that should revisit the message that you posted as well as replies and then determine if that was in fact the message that you were attempting to convey.

He was quoting me from another site.

[Done Deal]

He was quoting me from another site.


Well, in the interests of effective communication---he might have cited the source initially or even after it was questioned but no.....he had to come up with yet another smart azz response instead. And, until you outed yourself as the source of the allegations (were they ever proven?) readers here had no possible way of knowing that it was anybody but him making those claims.

Thanks for clearing that part up anyway...

[Venator12]

Well, in the interests of effective communication---he might have cited the source initially or even after it was questioned but no.....he had to come up with yet another smart azz response instead. And, until you outed yourself as the source of the allegations (were they ever proven?) readers here had no possible way of knowing that it was anybody but him making those claims.

Thanks for clearing that part up anyway...

The police chief was in contact with the café owners. What was communicated was not confirmed.

I will say that there was and still are some behind the scenes dealings with the local government agencies. That's all I can say as a formal complaint and a MSP investigation is going on, not only on the café thing, but other things as well.

[Done Deal]

The police chief was in contact with the café owners. What was communicated was not confirmed.

I will say that there was and still are some behind the scenes dealings with the local government agencies. That's all I can say as a formal complaint and a MSP investigation is going on, not only on the café thing, but other things as well.


Thanks for the update.

[dougwg]

The police chief was in contact with the café owners. What was communicated was not confirmed.

I will say that there was and still are some behind the scenes dealings with the local government agencies. That's all I can say as a formal complaint and a MSP investigation is going on, not only on the café thing, but other things as well.

Has this been substantiated yet? Might not want to post that untill the whole thing has beed checked out by done deal first.

[Done Deal]

Has this been substantiated yet? Might not want to post that untill the whole thing has beed checked out by done deal first.


Try moving your bed around will ya? It certainly would be nice if you could find a way to get out of it on the right side for a change.

Should that fail to do the job--why don't you go for a stroll?

Feel free to take a long walk off a short dock.

That refreshing experience might help you get a better perspective on life because you certainly do appear to lead an absolutely miserable and bitter existence.

[dougwg]

Try moving your bed around will ya? It certainly would be nice if you could find a way to get out of it on the right side for a change.

Should that fail to do the job--why don't you go for a stroll?

Feel free to take a long walk off a short dock.

That refreshing experience might help you get a better perspective on life because you certainly do appear to lead an absolutely miserable and bitter existence.

Wrong again. :twak:

Actually I smile every time I see you post. It's fun seeing how you spew BS and twist things around, side stepping direct question in the hope that people won't notice how pathetic your posts really are. :clap:

[Knimrod]

Actually I smile every time I see you post.

Then why are you so angry and adversarial? That chip on your shoulder is so large it makes you walk in circles...

[dougwg]

Then why are you so angry and adversarial? That chip on your shoulder is so large it makes you walk in circles...

Are you saying that Done Deal is NOT adversarial? I'm simply giving back what I get. I see how he is and what he does. Many but not all of the "old timers" here stick by their blind loyalties and give him a pass, while holding my feet to the fire.

Anyone who knows me can say at least one thing about me, I'm fair and I know right from wrong. This is why when I'm wrong I admit it and this is also why when I'm right I will not let some asshat with an agenda or who is on some power trip get away with saying otherwise even if it means I have to get down in the gutter with them for awhile. I stand by my principals even when it's not the most popular thing to do.

Do you really think that I let some guy from miles away that posts BS on an interwebs message board raise my blood pressure? This is not my first dance by far.

[who dat]

Try moving your bed around will ya? It certainly would be nice if you could find a way to get out of it on the right side for a change.

Should that fail to do the job--why don't you go for a stroll?

Feel free to take a long walk off a short dock.

That refreshing experience might help you get a better perspective on life because you certainly do appear to lead an absolutely miserable and bitter existence.
I got this just for doug:

[Knimrod]

This is why when I'm wrong I admit it and this is also why when I'm right I will not let some asshat with an agenda or who is on some power trip get away with saying otherwise even if it means I have to get down in the gutter with them for awhile. I stand by my principals even when it's not the most popular thing to do.

You largely use veiled ad personam arguments to make your point. This is evidenced by the reports the message board staff receives regarding your behavior. I know you've been counciled about it privately. You apparently like to operate on the edge of the rules and are obsessed with having the last word. While I expect your compulsion to have the last word here will be overpowering, try to resist. In the end, the last word will not be yours.

[dougwg]

Thanks who dat :)

And I got this one just for you

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii294/disintegr8or2/2.gif

[mkls0]

[QUOTE=Done Deal]Try moving your bed around will ya? It certainly would be nice if you could find a way to get out of it on the right side for a change.

Should that fail to do the job--why don't you go for a stroll?

Feel free to take a long walk off a short dock.

That refreshing experience might help you get a better perspective on life because you certainly do appear to lead an absolutely miserable and bitter existence.[/QUOTE


This helps a lot

[who dat]

Thanks who dat :)

And I got this one just for you

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii294/disintegr8or2/2.gif
I suppose somewhere in your mind, that means something. Here, not so much, but thanks for thinking of me.

Edit to add: You can call me Chowderhead, by the way.

[Done Deal]

This helps a lot

Ok, go back to the beginning of this thread and start reading.

Then, feel free to PM me an approach that you believe will end his nonsense.

[dougwg]

Ok, go back to the beginning of this thread and start reading.

Then, feel free to PM me an approach that you believe will end his nonsense.

How bout I try to help right here in the open forum...

You are the one that didn't want to talk about the OP but rather wanted to call into question the validity of the quote that I posted. You wanted to change the subject and cause an argument when there was none.

The proper approach would have been to try to say a nice word or on the flip side just say nothing at all, maybe even a PM?

Every time you comment in an OC thread you try to cause trouble and instigate a flame war.

If you just leave it alone everything will be just fine. But of course you won't because as you have stated in the past you can comment on anything you please.

[dougwg]

I suppose somewhere in your mind, that means something. Here, not so much, but thanks for thinking of me.

Edit to add: You can call me Chowderhead, by the way.

It has just as much relevance to the OP as your attempt at being funny by posting your little picture.

[who dat]

It has just as much relevance to the OP as your attempt at being funny by posting your little picture.
Wow...you can't possibly be that...never mind.

I would suggest you read it, then relate it to what several of us are trying to tell you. If it's not clear, ask your therapist.

[mkls0]

Ok, go back to the beginning of this thread and start reading.

Then, feel free to PM me an approach that you believe will end his nonsense.


No need for a PM you both need to ignore each other that will end 60% of the BS.

[Done Deal]

No need for a PM you both need to ignore each other that will end 60% of the BS.

What about the other 40% that he spews toward other members?

[dougwg]

What about the other 40% that he spews toward other members?

I guess you should leave them alone too. :razz:

[Tedfs]

If both of you added each other to your respective Ignore lists, you'd never have to read the others post again. Plus the rest of us wouldn't have to read 22 page threads trying to find out if anyone actually answered the OPs question.

[dougwg]

If both of you added each other to your respective Ignore lists, you'd never have to read the others post again. Plus the rest of us wouldn't have to read 22 page threads trying to find out if anyone actually answered the OPs question.

I have tried, but as done deal is a moderator, he is unable to be placed on anyone's "ignore list".

[mkls0]

I have tried, but as done deal is a moderator, he is unable to be placed on anyone's "ignore list".


Ignore him!!!!!! its not hard to do and I hope he Ignore you...

[dougwg]

Ignore him!!!!!! its not hard to do and I hope he Ignore you...

ok

[sk1nw4lk3r]

Is there a date for the next one? I'd like to attend.

[Venator12]

Is there a date for the next one? I'd like to attend.

Go here for the upcoming events. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/15478.html