Open carry with a drop leg holster

[Dansjeep2000]

I have a Blackhawk drop leg serpa holster. What do you guys think about using it to OC? I know it makes no differance for the legality but what about other people's view. Do you think it would look to military and give people a negative feel?

[Hcidem]

"Ya gotta know the territory." (The Music Man)

This is my first instinct when I consider the fashion sense of any particular rig. I like a low profile look myself, but this might work just fine for you.

One OC guy just east of in your area had a funny story to tell. He could overhear an irate fellow on the line with a 911 dispatcher doing his best to report the OC guy's "definitely illegal" activities. After the guy hung up, the OCer approached him, and got him to talk about the legality of open carry. The caller couldn't believe it, but he took the pamphlets the OCer offered.

A week later, the OCer reported seeing the same fellow open carrying with a drop leg holster. I think it might have even been a Blackhawk. The guy was apparently thrilled that he could legally carry as comfortably as he saw fit. I thought it was a great story.

[nisjer05]

I was thinking the same thing last night as I tried on my new thigh rig. I want to OC in the winter, but am concerned about cover from my coat. I have a waist coat, but I do not want any grey areas that could cause me to get charged with CCW. It is very military looking, and I am sure that it might draw more attention than I want, but I think it is the best choice for winter OC. I am going to give it a go this weekend.

While some may view it negatively, I am prepared for the questions and possible LEO encounter. Wash, rinse, repeat!!!

I have a Blackhawk drop leg serpa holster. What do you guys think about using it to OC? I know it makes no differance for the legality but what about other people's view. Do you think it would look to military and give people a negative feel?

[Hcidem]

If questioned about it...informally that it...I wouldn't hesitate to add that dropping the holster onto the leg makes it even more obvious (and therefore NOT concealed) than anything worn around the waist. Folks wear plenty on their belts today which could disguise a well-placed holster after all.

...but with any LEO encounter...wash, rinse, repeat (as you said).

[esq_stu]

Do you think it would look to military and give people a negative feel?yes
:rambo: :beammeup:

[Hcidem]

Durand, Eastpointe, and Bloomfield/Novi definitely have differing demographics (not to mention that of Rockford).

I stand by "Ya gotta know the territory." Maybe this could be considered a Flint-style rig. Any thoughts?

[_DK_]

I was thinking the same thing last night as I tried on my new thigh rig. I want to OC in the winter, but am concerned about cover from my coat. I have a waist coat, but I do not want any grey areas that could cause me to get charged with CCW. It is very military looking, and I am sure that it might draw more attention than I want, but I think it is the best choice for winter OC. I am going to give it a go this weekend.

While some may view it negatively, I am prepared for the questions and possible LEO encounter. Wash, rinse, repeat!!!

What part of Eastpointe do you live in? from searching the members there seems to be a few of us on here. personally I dont own a holster yet, unless you count that thing that came with my XD. I only purchased my gun a few weeks ago.

[Clipper]

...I'd be prepared for lots of 'Mall Ninja' comments from other gunnies...

[Dansjeep2000]

I was thinking the same thing last night as I tried on my new thigh rig. I want to OC in the winter, but am concerned about cover from my coat. I have a waist coat, but I do not want any grey areas that could cause me to get charged with CCW. It is very military looking, and I am sure that it might draw more attention than I want, but I think it is the best choice for winter OC. I am going to give it a go this weekend.

While some may view it negatively, I am prepared for the questions and possible LEO encounter. Wash, rinse, repeat!!!
This was a major part of my thought process, with winter coats and heavy sweatshirts OC is hard, Now I have a CPL and could CC but I want to keep OCing as much as I can. I've had several positive encounters with people no zero negative (so far)

[xd9sc]

I have also been thinking about using a leg holster to OC, especially in the winter. I just got a new safariland Level III retention thigh holster, and would really like to use it to OC. I have been trying to decide if it would look too military like, and draw more attention to me. I have not had a chance to OC yet, and i am trying to find a good place to do it. I also really like the idea of the added retention. The other holster i have is a blackhawk serpa belt holster, which i often carry around the house and yard with. I can't see it causing any problems when carrying in a thigh holster other than maybe a few more comments from the anti's, and it may catch a few more eyes. I say go for it, and let everyone know how it goes. I will be using mine when taking the dog for walks at night for now, till i decide to go somewhere more public.

[paulgun]

anyone have pictures to post-might be interesting.

[Dansjeep2000]

This is the rig I plan to use
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/dansjeep2000/Guns/100_0135.jpg

[dougwg]

I wonder if some yahoo would consider that to be "concealed"....

[Samurai Jack]

I wonder if some yahoo would consider that to be "concealed"....

Only if he puts his pants on after his holster :mrgreen:

[Hcidem]

I would be tempted to tell anyone other than a LEO that it is a prosthetic brace which also makes open carry convenient. Some antis might back off if they get the idea that they might be accused of picking on someone's handicap by questioning the gun. :-?

[cwo4uscgret]

what do you think of the holster you want to carry? Do you feel it is too "military" or threatening?

In a society that is still not 100% accepting of open carry is the holster really the issue that you are worried about or the reaction of other people?

I have a thigh holster (it was a gift); I don't like it; and will probably not use it except for some unidentified rare moment.

[Dansjeep2000]

what do you think of the holster you want to carry? Do you feel it is too "military" or threatening?

In a society that is still not 100% accepting of open carry is the holster really the issue that you are worried about or the reaction of other people?

I have a thigh holster (it was a gift); I don't like it; and will probably not use it except for some unidentified rare moment.
I OC now in a Desantis thumb break scabard, but with winter here its hard. I have a CPL and don't "need " to OC but I like to and its my right. That said giving a positive impression is important in my mind. I want others to ask questions so they know, they too can do this. Point being I don't want a bad impression. The anti's are a part of this deal, they have the right to feel how they do just like I have the right to carry.

[Done Deal]

I would be mighty uncomfortable as a CPL holder wandering around with a rig that I could not use my strong side arm to help secure.

Why mess with it when you have no need?

[Scoop]

If you're going to OC with a thigh rig, you might as well get a big can of paint and write "HI, I HAVE A GUN, PLEASE TAKE IT" on your back.

And for the same reason that Done Deal pointed out (can not adequately secure, especially in a fight), my department won't allow any officers to use thigh rigs. Special Ops, SWAT, yea, sure, but that's because they're usually carrying much more than that at the same time.

IMHO, a thigh rig **AND** carrying openly is DOUBLE the trouble and has no merit whatsoever for a regular Joe Citizen who's simply "exercising his 2A right".

Not only are you giving away your tactical advantage that CCW provides you with, but you're making it easier for the BG to relieve you of your weapon.

[Rolex Dr.]

Not only are you giving away your tactical advantage that CCW provides you with, but you're making it easier for the BG to relieve you of your weapon.


forget about the tactical advantage how about the fact that you will look like Rambo

just one more way to give gun owners a darker black eye

i have used a thigh rig during hunting season (because sitting in a tree for 11 hours with a safety harness makes getting a pistol out hard)

but even then i still felt silly

[dougwg]

Well on an upside it would be VERY hard to accuse him of carry a concealed weapon.

[Scoop]

Well on an upside it would be VERY hard to accuse him of carry a concealed weapon.True dat. ;)

[dougwg]

Dressing like an EMO give all kids a black eye among many other things.

But it's their right to dress as they wish. Who am I to pass judgement on others.

[zigziggityzoo]

I say carry how you see fit. Especially if you don't have your CPL and desire to carry in the winter, a thigh rig may be the way to go. Either that, or a 5.11 tactical jacket that has openings on the side so you can pull your holster through the coat.

[Venator12]

If you're going to OC with a thigh rig, you might as well get a big can of paint and write "HI, I HAVE A GUN, PLEASE TAKE IT" on your back.

Not only are you giving away your tactical advantage that CCW provides you with, but you're making it easier for the BG to relieve you of your weapon.

Who has this happened to? Other than security and LEO's. Just wondering if you have a reference for this statement, this is often stated as a reason not to OC, but I can't find a reference to this happing. I hear this so often that it seems like there should be loads of examples from around the USA.

It makes more sense that OC would deter an attack. Hmmm.

[Done Deal]

:para: Who has this happened to? Other than security and LEO's. Just wondering if you have a reference for this statement, this is often stated as a reason not to OC, but I can't find a reference to this happing. I hear this so often that it seems like there should be loads of examples from around the USA.



Gee, it might even be difficult to find too many OC fans that strut around the mall with a thigh rig on.

Tell ya what Mr Venator12....why don't you strap one on and go for a stroll downtown and tell us how it works for ya????

And since you claim that it will deter attacks, we will be sure and select some very special locations for you to take that stroll.

Are you up for it????? C'mon, make that name for yourself.....

[xd9sc]

I have nothing against thigh holsters, as i own, and use a safariland Lvl III for my XD. I wouldn't use it to carry to the store, or the mall, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry anywhere around my house. I always use it when i am shoveling the drive, or doing anything in my yard. I guess this would go back to the whole idea of thinking about your surroundings. I would not have a problem with someone carrying in that manner, as i believe that everyone that is not restricted from owning a pistol should carry as long as they are safe, and comfortable with doing it. But I also think that if someone is going to carry in this manner they should be ready for many comments from the anit-gun crowd, as well as some CPL holders: unfortunately:(

[Rolex Dr.]

It makes more sense that OC would deter an attack. Hmmm.


this is probably the only time i have agree some what with Venator12

One would think OC would deter attacks, I think for the novice criminal it would deter, but a pro (or one that is set on his task) the OC will make target accusation easier (may not attack that person to rob, pilage, etc) but i think the OCer would be a threat that would be elimated ASAP by the BG possibly before the said attack occurs, turning it from maybe a robbery to a much worse case.

I have no issue with OC (and i am not here to debate it, has been beaten to death)

i just think a person has to be aware of what COULD happen (IE bad shit) also the hassle of people not knowing the legal side of OC (IE cops, etc)

and i am sick of hearing 'Its my right to OC' good im glad it is OUR right to carry a gun openly, but is it worth the BS, the time, effort and bad press for gun people. Yes i know we need to educate the uneducated, but many will never learn or want to learn, because the gun stigma is too pounded in that they will not want to listen


just my $0.025

[dougwg]

Do you not think that Venator is aware of what might happen while OC'ing?

Do you not think that we inform others of the same?

On your last statement: How do you suggest we "educate the uneducated"?

Yes we realize there are those that will refuse to learn, we try to not waste too much time on them. But, it has been the over whelming percentage of people that ARE willing to listen and learn that keeps us trying.

Contrary to some peoples assumptions, most people are accepting to OC after they learn it is in fact legal.

Maybe if some here would stop covering their eyes and ears with their hands and truly keep an open mind and maybe even come out to a GTG and "see what doesn't happen" and see how people actually react (stop assuming) they may have a better understanding.

------------------------------------------
When we are told that, people will freak out, people will run away in fear, people will call the cops, people will this or that and the cops will freak out and arrest you and it doesn't happen, how can WE AFFORD THOSE COMMENTS ANY CREDITABILITY?

We have seen it with our own eyes, "what doesn't happen".

What have you actually experienced? (not a question directed at any one person but rather just some food for thought for everyone)

[dougwg]

Dang, you guys had all day to rip apart my post....and you didn't?

[Done Deal]

Dang, you guys had all day to rip apart my post....and you didn't?


No sense typing for the blind eyes....

[dougwg]

oh please....you got something better to do? If so, why aren't you doing it? :-P

[Venator12]

this is probably the only time i have agree some what with Venator12

One would think OC would deter attacks, I think for the novice criminal it would deter, but a pro (or one that is set on his task) the OC will make target accusation easier (may not attack that person to rob, pilage, etc) but i think the OCer would be a threat that would be elimated ASAP by the BG possibly before the said attack occurs, turning it from maybe a robbery to a much worse case.

I have no issue with OC (and i am not here to debate it, has been beaten to death)

i just think a person has to be aware of what COULD happen (IE bad shit) also the hassle of people not knowing the legal side of OC (IE cops, etc)

and i am sick of hearing 'Its my right to OC' good im glad it is OUR right to carry a gun openly, but is it worth the BS, the time, effort and bad press for gun people. Yes i know we need to educate the uneducated, but many will never learn or want to learn, because the gun stigma is too pounded in that they will not want to listen


just my $0.025

As for a deterrent we have heard of stories of people being approached by shady characters when upon seeing the person OCing changed course. We have an account of a woman being asked in an aggressive way for money and trying to grab her purse, she said back off and when she turned to take a more aggressive stance the bad guy saw her OCed gun and asked if he was in trouble and moved away quickly.

I have used this scenario before. If you are CCing and you are mugged at gun point what do you do? You give up your money and the BG walks away with it. You can shoot him in the back...but really not a good idea.

OR you are OCing and the BG sees your gun and goes on his way to mug the guy that is CCing.

The idea of being targeted BECAUSE you are OCing is more a movie myth than reality. We have stated this time and again. I think you would have a better chance of being hit by lighting than being taken out because of OCing. I'm certainly not saying it could not or will not happen, just rare compared to the thousands of hours people OC around the country.

As for our rights...if a person doesn't want the hassle then by all means don't OC, but they could at least support the idea.

[Clipper]

The wife and I were downstate Friday, and decided to stop at the Big Boy across the freeway from Bass Pro for dinner. Took off my coat and OC'd in the restaraunt, and had one lady ask me if it was real. Went to Bass Pro and OC'd there...nothing. Is Utica urban enough for ya?

DD...The more of your vituperous tripe I read, the more I'm convinced...:coocoo:

[Kimberguy1371]

DD...The more of your vituperous tripe I read, the more I'm convinced...:coocoo:

First off, I like tripe, and fing that offencive to my people(mexis).

Secondly I can't spell to save my life, so I carry a gun...

but to my point...and back on topic. I see no reason you can't or shouldn't OC with a drop leg, i find them comfortable and nice. People will react the same if you have a drop leg or a cross draw Serpa like my self. And if you do not have a CPL then you know that your shirt or coat will not cover it. If thatmakes you more comfortable, than more power to you! I support ALL rights... that is my job as an American right?

[Done Deal]

DD...The more of your vituperous tripe I read, the more I'm convinced...:coocoo:

Vituperous eh? Where did you come up with that one????

Talk about tripe.....:coocoo:

[springerdave]

Clipper, good one. Had to look it up, but you were spot on.springerdave.

[Done Deal]

The wife and I were downstate Friday, and decided to stop at the Big Boy across the freeway from Bass Pro for dinner. Took off my coat and OC'd in the restaraunt, and had one lady ask me if it was real. Went to Bass Pro and OC'd there...nothing. Is Utica urban enough for ya?



So, are you saying that you were strolling around the Big Boy and Bass Pro sporting a thigh rig eh?

Are you sure that that lady didn't ask you if you were for real?

[dougwg]

very adversarial

[Done Deal]

very adversarial


Yup, I guess if I saw some dude walking around the Big Boy with a thigh rig on....I would let him take cuts at the salad bar too.

That image is definitely adversarial.....yes indeed.

[Dansjeep2000]

Well I went into Dunhams and Gander in Flint wearing the thigh rig with no problems at all. One guy behind the gun counter gave it a 2nd and 3rd look but never said anything. Most people didn't even noticed it.
And just to let everyone know I do have a CPL.

I would like to add my .02 on open carry advantage. Yes in some very rare situations it could be a negative, but I fell any situation I could see myself in (mugging) I feel OC is an advantage. Again my .02

[dmharvey]

I'd laught at you, that is a little much in my opinion. Unless you slap on a kevlar helmet and a chest rig with it, haha.

I have a Blackhawk drop leg serpa holster. What do you guys think about using it to OC? I know it makes no differance for the legality but what about other people's view. Do you think it would look to military and give people a negative feel?

[Done Deal]

I'd laught at you, that is a little much in my opinion.

Kinda makes ya wonder what the employee that did the triple take was thinking eh?

And that was from sporting goods stores that carry firearms.

I am still wondering about the line at the salad bar at the Big Boy....

[dougwg]

Is it really "a little much" in winter? With all the long heavy coats and such it seems a bit more practical to me.

I guess it could boil down to this:
When you see someone wearing a holstered gun, are you afraid of them? Does the sight of a gun scare you?

Maybe I'm naive but guns don't scare me, people acting weird scare me.

We as proponents of the 2A are always saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Try to keep this in mind when formulating an argument.

As far as the salad bar at Big Boy, I steer clear of buffet's. Nasty little things they are.

[Knimrod]

Maybe I'm naive but guns don't scare me, people acting weird scare me.

I think that was the point.. "Weird" is subjective.. I would certainly consider it "weird" to see someone carrying in a drop leg holster who wasn't garbed in swat or military gear. It's definitely out of the norm, no? My first thought might be "now there's a wannabe tac-ops cowboy.."

However if the goal is to attract lots of attention, I'm sure that would be a pretty good way.

[Venator12]

Is it really "a little much" in winter? With all the long heavy coats and such it seems a bit more practical to me.

I guess it could boil down to this:
When you see someone wearing a holstered gun, are you afraid of them? Does the sight of a gun scare you?

Maybe I'm naive but guns don't scare me, people acting weird scare me.

We as proponents of the 2A are always saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Try to keep this in mind when formulating an argument.

As far as the salad bar at Big Boy, I steer clear of buffet's. Nasty little things they are.

I guess you should post the picture Doug. A thigh rig is no big deal either in winter or summer. You get the same reaction from it as a hip holster..that is to say very little.

[dougwg]

It is "weird" to see someone wearing a thigh rig simply because it's not common. But that in and of it's self is not "acting weird".

If the guy is just walking with his wife and pushing their stroller through Meijer looking at new door knobs in the home center would you consider this acting weird?

The operative word here is "acting" not weird.

My first thoughts are "Hey, another guy that knows about OC. Maybe I'll go introduce myself and say hello"

Side note: I have an idea on how to tone down the "attention" from a drop leg. It'll be pretty funny and I'll post some pic's in a few days.

[dougwg]

I guess you should post the picture Doug. A thigh rig is no big deal either in winter or summer. You get the same reaction from it as a hip holster..that is to say very little.

"the picture"?
Which picture are you refering to?

[Done Deal]

It is "weird" to see someone wearing a thigh rig simply because it's not common. But that in and of it's self is not "acting weird".



Hmmmm.....

Now if you were walking around showing off your _____________not only would folks probably think that it was weird because it's not common (except at a nudist camp). Out in public, that in and of it's self would in fact be considered "acting weird".

Weird might be anything out of the norm, wouldn't you agree?

[dougwg]

I'm sorry I don't consider any of my firearms to be phallic symbols. :p

Not sure about you but I would consider that act as being illegal not weird.

Yes, weird by definition is anything out of the norm.

[Clipper]

Kinda makes ya wonder what the employee that did the triple take was thinking eh?

And that was from sporting goods stores that carry firearms.

I am still wondering about the line at the salad bar at the Big Boy....



DD, for a moderator, your reading comprehension sucks. Why don't you show me where I said I was wearing a thigh rig anywhere...I wouldn't own one, myself.

It's really too bad mods can't be put on the ignore list...

[Venator12]

"the picture"?
Which picture are you refering to?
Don't you have a picture of a good looking young man at a certain OC outing oh say in the Burton area that was wearing a thigh rig? Perhaps it's my old age acting up.

[Done Deal]

DD, for a moderator, your reading comprehension sucks. Why don't you show me where I said I was wearing a thigh rig anywhere...I wouldn't own one, myself.

It's really too bad mods can't be put on the ignore list...



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Who has this happened to? Other than security and LEO's. Just wondering if you have a reference for this statement, this is often stated as a reason not to OC, but I can't find a reference to this happing. I hear this so often that it seems like there should be loads of examples from around the USA.




Gee, it might even be difficult to find too many OC fans that strut around the mall with a thigh rig on.

Tell ya what Mr Venator12....why don't you strap one on and go for a stroll downtown and tell us how it works for ya????

And since you claim that it will deter attacks, we will be sure and select some very special locations for you to take that stroll.Are you up for it????? C'mon, make that name for yourself.....









25-2009, 03:24 PM #34
Clipper
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Posts: 81 The wife and I were downstate Friday, and decided to stop at the Big Boy across the freeway from Bass Pro for dinner. Took off my coat and OC'd in the restaraunt, and had one lady ask me if it was real. Went to Bass Pro and OC'd there...nothing. Is Utica urban enough for ya?
DD...The more of your vituperous tripe I read, the more I'm convinced...
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Ok Clipper....you never actually said that you strapped on a thigh rig but....the message that you conveyed on a thigh rig thread to carrying in a metro area would probably be construed as saying that you alluded to carrying a thigh rig in the Big Boy and Bass Pro. So, either your communications skills suck (my reading comprehension is just fine thank you) or you were holding yourself out as doing something that you hadn't. Either way it appears that you cannot be relied upon to stick with the facts of the thread.


And the song about Mods has already been played, so please....quit sounding like a broken record. If you really wanted to ignore what I have posted, you wouldn't respond with your fancy jabs and spins on reality now would you? Now if you cannot answer truthfully, feel free to refrain from responding again. You are like one of those hit and run type posters....toss out a jab and then disappear. Well, go ahead...disappear will ya?

[dougwg]

Don't you have a picture of a good looking young man at a certain OC outing oh say in the Burton area that was wearing a thigh rig? Perhaps it's my old age acting up.

That one's been played already :)

[Venator12]

DD, for a moderator, your reading comprehension sucks. Why don't you show me where I said I was wearing a thigh rig anywhere...I wouldn't own one, myself.

It's really too bad mods can't be put on the ignore list...
You can just ignore him like most do.

[Done Deal]

You can just ignore him like most do.

Most????

You cannot back that nonsense up either....my word.....get frickin real will ya?

Your credibility really suffers when you continue to post such bull sheet.

[zigziggityzoo]

So, now that this pissing match is done... can we move on and place this one in the Ammo Dump?

[Dansjeep2000]

It is "weird" to see someone wearing a thigh rig simply because it's not common. But that in and of it's self is not "acting weird".

If the guy is just walking with his wife and pushing their stroller through Meijer looking at new door knobs in the home center would you consider this acting weird?

The operative word here is "acting" not weird.

My first thoughts are "Hey, another guy that knows about OC. Maybe I'll go introduce myself and say hello"
Side note: I have an idea on how to tone down the "attention" from a drop leg. It'll be pretty funny and I'll post some pic's in a few days.
I hope to run in to you someday

[Dansjeep2000]

If you're going to OC with a thigh rig, you might as well get a big can of paint and write "HI, I HAVE A GUN, PLEASE TAKE IT" on your back.

And for the same reason that Done Deal pointed out (can not adequately secure, especially in a fight), my department won't allow any officers to use thigh rigs. Special Ops, SWAT, yea, sure, but that's because they're usually carrying much more than that at the same time.

IMHO, a thigh rig **AND** carrying openly is DOUBLE the trouble and has no merit whatsoever for a regular Joe Citizen who's simply "exercising his 2A right".

Not only are you giving away your tactical advantage that CCW provides you with, but you're making it easier for the BG to relieve you of your weapon.
With the rig I am using, unless you have experiance working with this exact style holster, no way a BG will be removing it. That said even if you own the same holster it is very, very hard to remove the weapon if the holster is not strapped to your leg.

[_DK_]

http://www.johnlanning.com/MoD/Media/H_Ween-01/Croft_1.jpg

Lara croft style... I'd give her cuts at Big boy's. She's scarry

[MINISFORME]

http://www.johnlanning.com/MoD/Media/H_Ween-01/Croft_1.jpg

Lara croft style... I'd give her cuts at Big boy's. She's scarry


You say she's scary----I say she is hot!!! And a red head to boot!!!

Jeff

[MINISFORME]

The only foreseeable problem with a leg rig is that I believe it would be much easier for someone to snatch it from you. If a BG wanted the pistol in the thigh rig seems like it could be taken rather easily. Compared to a waist holster.

I am all for the right to OC--------just stating what I see as a potential problem.

Has anyone on this forum tried open carry in Northern Lower Peninsula??? I live near Charlevoix and am just wondering.

Chatted with an East Jordan City Police officer yesterday(Sergeant) and asked if he knew it was legal to open carry in Michigan . He said he did. But his thought was if someone tried it , the police would get about 100 calls(as he put it). He stated if he was the officer responding to the call there would not be any arrest whatsoever.

Jeff

[Venator12]

The only foreseeable problem with a leg rig is that I believe it would be much easier for someone to snatch it from you. If a BG wanted the pistol in the thigh rig seems like it could be taken rather easily. Compared to a waist holster.

I am all for the right to OC--------just stating what I see as a potential problem.

Has anyone on this forum tried open carry in Northern Lower Peninsula??? I live near Charlevoix and am just wondering.

Chatted with an East Jordan City Police officer yesterday(Sergeant) and asked if he knew it was legal to open carry in Michigan . He said he did. But his thought was if someone tried it , the police would get about 100 calls(as he put it). He stated if he was the officer responding to the call there would not be any arrest whatsoever.

Jeff

I have family in TC and OC often in town there without a problem. Your response from the local LEO is typical. From the experiences posted and from my personal experience the cops are rarely called. It was good that they knew it was legal.

Here is an example, MOC had a large cookout in an Ann Arbor park last fall, we had over 25 people OCing for over 4 hours. The Ann Arbor police received one call about us. And that was a large group of people with guns sharing the park with other people and on a busy road.

Yes sometimes the police get calls, but it's not 100's of calls like they think. And even if they do get calls the dispatcher can screen the calls by asking a few questions about the person with the gun.

One of our members saw a man calling 911 on him and heard one half of the conversation (the caller's) and the dispatcher must have asked some questions as the caller was told that OC is legal and they wouldn't be sending a police officer. The member approacher the caller and gave him an OC brochure. Two weeks later the member saw the caller OCing at a gas station in town. This was in the Owosso area.

MOC includes this example in the info they send to PDs.

Example of a 911 Protocol for a
“Person with a gun call”
911: This is 911 what is your emergency?

Caller: Ah….not sure if this is an emergency but there’s some guy with a gun on his belt here in the Wal-Mart.

911: Is the gun in a holster or is this person waving the gun around or threatening anyone? Is anyone injured? What is the man doing?

Caller: Aaah…no one is hurt. Aaaah…the guy is just shopping. Pushing a cart looking at some frozen carrots I think. Yah he’s looking at carrots.

911: Does this man seem to be intoxicated or mentally impaired? Does he appear to be acting irrationally?

Caller: No he doesn’t seem to be acting strange other than the gun. Can’t you send some officers here to check him out? Think of the children.

911: Does the person appear to be 18 years old or older?

Caller: I would say he’s about 35 years old, average build, dark short hair, and he has a short beard. He’s wearing khaki pants with a dark blue polo shirt.

911: Sir, the open carry of a handgun is legal in Michigan by any lawful person 18 years old or older. Unless the person is waving it around in a threatening manner or is acting irrationally there is nothing we can legally do. Now if the person should threaten someone or become agitated let us know and we’ll send a car, but until then have a good night.


If 911 dispatchers had a protocol similar to this over simplified example for handling this type of call; that is just by asking a few short questions the adrenalin factor would be reduced and officer stress would be diminished. Each department can decide if a patrol car needs to be dispatched to investigate this kind of call, and if so, the officer would have more information on how to handle the encounter.

[Done Deal]

Here is an example, MOC had a large cookout in an Ann Arbor park last fall, we had over 25 people OCing for over 4 hours. The Ann Arbor police received one call about us. And that was a large group of people with guns sharing the park with other people and on a busy road.

Yes sometimes the police get calls, but it's not 100's of calls like they think. And even if they do get calls the dispatcher can screen the calls by asking a few questions about the person with the gun.



Do you have statistics that provide a correlation between the number of people OC'ing (individual or large group) and the calls received by LE?

Your inference that large groups of people OC'ing is more apt to cause calls to be made over say just one person walking around the park is something that you should be able to substantiate.

[dougwg]

Do you have statistics that provide a correlation between the number of people OC'ing (individual or large group) and the calls received by LE?

Your inference that large groups of people OC'ing is more apt to cause calls to be made over say just one person walking around the park is something that you should be able to substantiate.

It all should be able to be FOIA'd. I invite you to please do so. :)

[Done Deal]

It all should be able to be FOIA'd. I invite you to please do so. :)

Dunno how....in fact, wouldn't even know where to begin.

More importantly, I am not the one that needs to substantiate my claim. Remember, it was the guy that is always looking for documentation when it comes to beliefs concerning what may or may not happen when OC'ing.:winker:

[Venator12]

Dunno how....in fact, wouldn't even know where to begin.

More importantly, I am not the one that needs to substantiate my claim. Remember, it was the guy that is always looking for documentation when it comes to beliefs concerning what may or may not happen when OC'ing.:winker:

I'm not sure if I understand your question. Is it asking do people call 911 more often when they see a large group of people OCing than they do when they see one person OCing? I don't have any statistical data on this question as I haven't done any research on it. It would be interesting to do some.

If you are asking if what I posted earlier about the AA picnic is true. I can only say that I talked with the shift Sgt. on duty that day and he said they only had one call.

My point was that generally the PD's don't get any calls about someone OCing. Sometimes they do, but it's not hundreds like some LEO's claim.

In regards to a large group vs one person OCing, my opinion is that a large group of people OCing, especially in a very public place with lots of people and cars passing by, would generate more 911 calls not less. My ONE example illustrates that this was not true. Of all our large get togethers throughout the state we are not aware of any large influx of calls into 911.

You can go to our website and look on our events thread and see the dates, times and locations of our picnics and then email the appropriate PDs and FOIA the 911 calls summary for that time period. If you would compile the data we would be very interested in publishing it.

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I'm not sure if I understand your question. Is it asking do people call 911 more often when they see a large group of people OCing than they do when they see one person OCing? I don't have any statistical data on this question as I haven't done any research on it. It would be interesting to do some.



It appears that you understood my point exactly.

I took it from your apparent inference that you felt that a large group in a park by a busy road would be more likely to prompt 911 calls than say a guy strolling into the local gas station to pay for gas.

[Venator12]

It appears that you understood my point exactly.

I took it from your apparent inference that you felt that a large group in a park by a busy road would be more likely to prompt 911 calls than say a guy strolling into the local gas station to pay for gas.
Good, I hope I answered it for you.

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Good, I hope I answered it for you.

Well, you did say that you didn't have any statistical data on the question so....I take that as an opinion rather than a fact, correct?

[Venator12]

Well, you did say that you didn't have any statistical data on the question so....I take that as an opinion rather than a fact, correct?
In post 67 about half way down I state that very thing.

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In post 67 about half way down I state that very thing.

Just confirming thank you...