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[blk04f150]

whAT would you do with your gun if you oc and your on your bike

[esq_stu]

I guess if a belt holster is good enough for a motorcycle cop, it's good enough for me. Something that is very secure - with some sort of retention. Maybe even with a lanyard in addition. But it would be much better to conceal it to avoid hassles.

If you don't have a CPL you cannot carry it while riding. It has to be locked up in a compartment or container, unloaded, and separated from the ammo, and inaccessible just like in a car.

[dougwg]

nothing special

[who dat]

I guess if a belt holster is good enough for a motorcycle cop, it's good enough for me. Something that is very secure - with some sort of retention. Maybe even with a lanyard in addition. But it would be much better to conceal it to avoid hassles.

If you don't have a CPL you cannot carry it while riding. It has to be locked up in a compartment or container, unloaded, and separated from the ammo, and inaccessible just like in a car.
Good advice, a little overkill with the ammo part, but the rest is accurate.:naughty:

[esq_stu]

Good advice, a little overkill with the ammo part, but the rest is accurate.:naughty:I'm going to disagree with you there, who dat.

MCL 28.434

28.432a Persons to whom requirements inapplicable.

Sec. 12a. The requirements of this act for obtaining a license to carry a concealed pistol do not apply to any of the following:
. . .

(h) A person while carrying a pistol unloaded in a wrapper or container in the trunk of his or her vehicle or, if the vehicle does not have a trunk, from transporting that pistol unloaded in a locked compartment or container that is separated from the ammunition for that pistol

To me that says if you don't have a CPL and you don't have a trunk, they must be separated.

[who dat]

I'm going to disagree with you there, who dat.



To me that says if you don't have a CPL and you don't have a trunk, they must be separated.
I must have been thinking of having a CPL...dang it.

[Venator12]

I'm going to disagree with you there, who dat.



To me that says if you don't have a CPL and you don't have a trunk, they must be separated.

Where does this come in???

750.231a Exceptions to MCL 750.227(2); definitions.
Sec. 231a.
(1) Subsection (2) of section 227 does not apply to any of the following:
(a) To a person holding a valid license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by his or her state of residence except where the pistol is carried in nonconformance with a restriction appearing on the license.
(b) To the regular and ordinary transportation of pistols as merchandise by an authorized agent of a person licensed to manufacture firearms.
(c) To a person carrying an antique firearm as defined in subsection (2), completely unloaded in a closed case or container designed for the storage of firearms in the trunk of a vehicle.
(d) To a person while transporting a pistol for a lawful purpose that is licensed by the owner or occupant of the motor vehicle in compliance with section 2 of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422, and the pistol is unloaded in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms in the trunk of the vehicle.(e) To a person while transporting a pistol for a lawful purpose that is licensed by the owner or occupant of the motor vehicle in compliance with section 2 of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422, and the pistol is unloaded in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms in a vehicle that does not have a trunk and is not readily accessible to the occupants of the vehicle.

The only time I have seen unloaded and locked with ammo seperate is in the CPL law, when a person has been drinking, they can have a handgun in the car with them it just has to meet the requirements below.


28.425k Acceptance of license as implied consent to submit to chemical analysis of breath, blood, or urine.

Sec. 5k.

(3) This section does not prohibit an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol who has any bodily alcohol content from transporting that pistol in the locked trunk of his or her motor vehicle or another motor vehicle in which he or she is a passenger or, if the vehicle does not have a trunk, from transporting that pistol unloaded in a locked compartment or container that is separated from the ammunition for that pistol or on a vessel if the pistol is transported unloaded in a locked compartment or container that is separated from the ammunition for that pistol.

[esq_stu]

Where does this come in???

750.231a Exceptions to MCL 750.227(2); definitions.
Sec. 231a.
(1) Subsection (2) of section 227 does not apply to any of the following:
I thought I got it, but now I am confused.

The section you cite ("subsection (2) of section 227") refers to carrying in the trunk without a "license to carry," whatever that is.

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license. Granted, this wording is strange.

The section I referred to is:
28.422 License to purchase, carry, or transport pistol; issuance; qualifications; applications; sale of pistol; exemptions; basic pistol safety brochure; forging application; implementation during business hours.

Sec. 2. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not purchase, carry, or transport a pistol in this state without first having obtained a license for the pistol as prescribed in this section. This seems to be referring to the license to purchase (the green form) or carry (the CPL), depending on the situation.

Someone that deals with this more often might be able to shed more light in it. Section 28.422, combined with the section I quoted in my first post above, seems to say that if you transport as described (separated) you don't need either a purchase permit or a CPL. If that is true, then the guy on the motorcycle, if all he did was register his gun with the green 3-part form but does not have a CPL, he would not have to separate the gun from the ammo. :scratch: :banghead:

Whatever the law says, I am counting on many LEOs not to get this any better than you or me.

[Venator12]

I thought I got it, but now I am confused.

The section you cite ("subsection (2) of section 227") refers to carrying in the trunk without a "license to carry," whatever that is.

Granted, this wording is strange.

The section I referred to is:
This seems to be referring to the license to purchase (the green form) or carry (the CPL), depending on the situation.

Someone that deals with this more often might be able to shed more light in it. Section 28.422, combined with the section I quoted in my first post above, seems to say that if you transport as described (separated) you don't need either a purchase permit or a CPL. If that is true, then the guy on the motorcycle, if all he did was register his gun with the green 3-part form but does not have a CPL, he would not have to separate the gun from the ammo. :scratch: :banghead:

Whatever the law says, I am counting on many LEOs not to get this any better than you or me.

I think your cite is referring to an unregistered handgun, when taking it in to get it registered. The other refers to a registered handgun and transporting for a lawful purpose.

To be extra safe, one could separate ammo from gun, whatever that means.

[xd9sc]

Are you refering to a Motorcycle, or pedal bike?

[_DK_]

Motorcycle, this thread is cross posted in another area too