My wife and her first run in with police as a CPL holder

[wildman80]

-- Mod please move if this is the wrong forum --

Mrs wildman made her first stand on her rights today!

We live in southwest Detroit (Mexican town).
Big parade today everyone out including our boys in blue.

She was returning home, pulled up infront of the gate to our yard.As she stepped out oneof Detroits finest drove by going the wrong way on a one way street mind you.

As she stepped out her shirt hiked up and her legal firearm was exposed as said finest drove by.

The officer driving stopped and asked her "what do you have on your side?"
She replied " My weapon."
Officer " Are you supposed to be have that?"
Wife "Yes I have my CPL"
Officer " you know you are brandishing that?"
Wife :roll: " I am not brandishing , if I was waving it around like a dumba$$, that would be brandishing"
"And a point of fact open carry is legal in the state of MI. If I wanted I could have my gun on me exposed"
At this point the second officer in the car chimed in with.
" You know what, she is right. She has done nothing wrong. She is well within her rights. You can't do anything to her.

She said all the while this is going on the other officer was just sitting there writting things in a little book.
After hearing the story and getting all the facts I believe the officer sitting was a training officer as she said he had SGT name plate.
She also said he just smiled as she was talking to the first officer. Which I gather was rookie officer.

I am very proud of my wife.
1-for standing up for her rights
2-For remembering what we have read and learned.
3- For not being scared everytime a cop is in sight!

I would like to thank MGO for all the information we have gotten from here.
This is the place we have found most of the information on our rights.

Keep up the good work guys.
My wife and I are proud to be MGO members!:score:

[Tedfs]

That's a good story with a happy ending.

It's nice when those you care about actually use the knowledge they are taught.

I think she deserves a nice dinner.

[DOUGHBOY RACING]

Time to do more open carry demonstrations like in Jackson

[Jvanasjr]

+1 for education...

[goldwing2000]

The only way it could have been better is if she had somehow fit, "Do you know you're driving the wrong way on a one-way street?" into the conversation.

Yeah, yeah... I know. It's instigating. But it would have been funny! :stooges:

[Rugergirl]

The only way it could have been better is if she had somehow fit, "Do you know you're driving the wrong way on a one-way street?" into the conversation.

Yeah, yeah... I know. It's instigating. But it would have been funny! :stooges:

Being the shy quiet type, I would have found a way to mention that;-)

[lee]

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BobSeaman]

She did gOOOOOOOOOOOOOOd

[kc8opc]

Outstanding!
:getsum:

[Roger Roney]

The only way it could have been better is if she had somehow fit, "Do you know you're driving the wrong way on a one-way street?" into the conversation.

Yeah, yeah... I know. It's instigating. But it would have been funny! :stooges::roflmao:Being the shy quiet type, I would have found a way to mention thatDouble :roflmao:

Why do some people feel the need to interject open carry demonstrations into a thread about talking to LEO's about CC???? :crazy:

Roger

[RevDerb]

:roflmao:Double :roflmao:

Why do some people feel the need to interject open carry demonstrations into a thread about talking to LEO's about CC???? :crazy:

Roger

Because they are passionate about their cause.

Wildman80, thanks for sharing the encounter. It's good to know that there are some properly trained LE's on the streets.

[kc8opc]

Why do some people feel the need to interject open carry demonstrations into a thread about talking to LEO's about CC???? :crazy:
First, this thread is all about the female of the species.

The fact that few LEO know and support the law causes them to act like a bad used-car salemen, trying to scare us little helpless things into turning our guns in jewelery.
This is why we use the antidote. OC, CC, courtesy, and education, liberally applied.

The fact is, that without the right to OC being well known and accepted, our (your!) privilege to CC will go up in smoke with a hiss and a whisper

Sorry that we are irritating you while trying to protect a right.
BTW, you just dig that 1st Amendment, don't you?! Well, me too.
:twocents:

+1 Mrs. Wildman!:salute:

[Garbo]

Moved to "Concieled Carry Issues"

[mydogmax]

Sure would be nice if the local LE offices made sure their people know the laws BEFORE they send them out on the street "training". :stupid:

[sse]

I just bugs me that the cops have to go out of their way to start up something. These kind of innocent exchanges can result in criminal records. Bugs me.

[zigziggityzoo]

CC, OC, and putting a rookie cop in his place, all in a 5-minute span! Well done!

[Stevenk]

CC, OC, and putting a rookie cop in his place, all in a 5-minute span! Well done!

:score:


You have a keeper......

[Jim Simmons]

Roger brings up an interesting point, however. It does seem that in every discussion, no matter what the topic, the OC crowd feels the need to address the OC angle.

Now, suppose that every time an OC discussion occurred, I came in with my "OC is technically legal, but . . ." spiel?

I'm not talking about censorship here, but Roger has broached, and I'm bringing up, the question of basic courtesy. Let a discussion thread go its own way, and let's not try to shove our specific agendas on everyone else.

How does that sound?

:flamethr:

. . . Oh, geez where's my asbestos tux when I need it?

[dougwg]

Why is it whenever OC is mentioned, there's got to be at least one sandy vagina that has to come into the thread and complain?

If you 2 cry babies cared to even read the OP you would see that it was first mentioned there.

"And a point of fact open carry is legal in the state of MI."

Good thing there's 2 of you. You can help each other with removing the foot from each others mouths.:rolleyes:

[kc8opc]

:yeahthat: If it's in the OP, fair game.

[Jim Simmons]

Except this is the concealed carry forum.

[TAC]

Sounds like this cop was stalking your wife!

[Rugergirl]

Except this is the concealed carry forum.
Garbo did move it here. I'm not sure what fourm it was orignally posted in?
Point is, the woman was right, officer was wrong, he was corrected by Mrs Wildman and the other other officer.
Good job Mrs. Wildman:thumbup:

[dougwg]

Except this is the concealed carry forum.

Garbo did move it here. I'm not sure what fourm it was orignally posted in?

Jim, just admit you shouldn't have came in here and tried to stir the pot.
How's that foot taste?

Point is, the woman was right, officer was wrong, he was corrected by Mrs Wildman and the other other officer.
Good job Mrs. Wildman :thumbup:

:thumbup: :pip:

[Leader]

Jim the original post was in the womens section and revolved around an officer seeing an exposed firearm. Telling Mrs.Wildman that it was illegal.
Open carry was mentioned by the OP and in my mind made comments about it reasonable.
Your position on open carry is well known and you have given your warnings to us all. In the true Brady fashion, you site examples that don't but *COULD* happen. I suppose as a lawyer, that is your job and I'm sure you do it very well. I and most people on this board thank you for your input.
I'm truly sorry you don't see the benefits of open carry but perhaps you too will learn someday.

[wildman80]

Order in the forum Please :gavel:

This thread was first in the women's stance section.

I put it there for my wife who has not come up with a user name for herself yet.
Also because it was a women standing up to a officer who did not know what he was talking about. ie. a women's stance

She did indeed tell him it was her right by law to open carry.
Which we learned from this site and it's links to the MI state law.

I just wanted to relay our thanks to such a great forum for helping us learn information and laws regarding our rights.

[Done Deal]

No problem here....it sounds like your wife has her share of spunk.

It also sounds like she was just going about her business as unobtrusively as she could until that darned traffic scofflaw happend upon her.

[wildman80]

I love her to no end.

And yes once she gets to going, I just step to the side and try to stay out of the direct line of fire. :prayer:

[dougwg]

Click this DD Link (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=453950#post453950)

To the OP, sorry for messing up your thread and tell your wife she rocks!

[wildman80]

To the OP, sorry for messing up your thread and tell your wife she rocks!


:peace:

[firefox]

ssounds like the wife kicks ass.
:biggrin:

[kc8opc]

May I suggest to the moderator that this be returned from whence it came?
Pretty please?
"The Women's Stance"

[Byron]

Awesome story - thanks for sharing! I hope my wife will be just as cool and collected once she's trained, certified, and licensed. Congrats to her for standing up for her rights and the law.

[karlglen101]

where can I find information on open carry?

[Rugergirl]

where can I find information on open carry?

Here you go:
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=209

[ubelongoutside]

not to thread drift but I asked this exact scenario of coming un-concealed and whether or not I would be protected by open carry laws in my CPL class and I thought the instructor was going to have a coronary he got so upset telling the class how stupid open carry is and that it's only for people who want to show how tough they are.

Well since he went off on such a tirade and didn't even answer the question I'm still wondering are you protected by the open carry laws if you come un-concealed while in Michigan?


I'm still debating about writing a review of how un-impressed I was by this concealed carry class at a very well known range run by a well advertised CPL instruction group here in metro Detroit. If anyone is thinking of taking the CPL class and wants to know one place I would definitely NOT recommend taking it PM me.

[dougwg]

where can I find information on open carry?
The best place for information on Open Carry in Michigan is here ~~~> LINK ! ! ! (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/)

[Leader]

not to thread drift but I asked this exact scenario of coming un-concealed and whether or not I would be protected by open carry laws in my CPL class and I thought the instructor was going to have a coronary he got so upset telling the class how stupid open carry is and that it's only for people who want to show how tough they are.

Well since he went off on such a tirade and didn't even answer the question I'm still wondering are you protected by the open carry laws if you come un-concealed while in Michigan?


I'm still debating about writing a review of how un-impressed I was by this concealed carry class at a very well known range run by a well advertised CPL instruction group here in metro Detroit. If anyone is thinking of taking the CPL class and wants to know one place I would definitely NOT recommend taking it PM me.

There are NO open carry laws, other then the places you may NOT carry.

1) Sec. 234d (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
b) A church or other house of religious worship.
c) A court.
d) A theater.
e) A sports arena.
f) A day care center.
g) A hospital.
h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
b) A peace officer.
c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

Now.. IF you have a CPL, none of those apply to you.
If you have a CPL, the places you can't carry CONCEALED are listed on the back of the permit. Note that it only says that you may not carry CONCEALEDin those places.
Open carry is legal because there are no laws that make it illegal. If for any or no reason your pistol becomes exposed, you have committed NO crime. You are protected by the fact that no laws in MI. prohibit open carry .You can not be arrested for anything pertaining to that.
As for writing a review of your instructor & the class, I would encourage you to do so. Maybe if they saw their name in print, they would do a better job of teaching the laws as required by the state and not what they think the laws should be.

[dougwg]

not to thread drift but I asked this exact scenario of coming un-concealed and whether or not I would be protected by open carry laws in my CPL class and I thought the instructor was going to have a coronary he got so upset telling the class how stupid open carry is and that it's only for people who want to show how tough they are.

Well since he went off on such a tirade and didn't even answer the question I'm still wondering are you protected by the open carry laws if you come un-concealed while in Michigan?


I'm still debating about writing a review of how un-impressed I was by this concealed carry class at a very well known range run by a well advertised CPL instruction group here in metro Detroit. If anyone is thinking of taking the CPL class and wants to know one place I would definitely NOT recommend taking it PM me.


Double Action's CPL instructors are not really up to speed and as such should be avoided until they are.

[KayL]

May I suggest to the moderator that this be returned from whence it came?
Pretty please?
"The Women's Stance"
It will be moved back. mod

[kc8opc]

There are NO open carry laws, other then the places you may NOT carry.

1) Sec. 234d (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
b) A church or other house of religious worship.
c) A court.
d) A theater.
e) A sports arena.
f) A day care center.
g) A hospital.
h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
b) A peace officer.
c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

Now.. IF you have a CPL, none of those apply to you.
If you have a CPL, the places you can't carry CONCEALED are listed on the back of the permit. Note that it only says that you may not carry CONCEALED
in those places.
Open carry is legal because there are no laws that make it illegal. If for any or no reason your pistol becomes exposed, you have committed NO crime. You are protected by the fact that no laws in MI. prohibit open carry .You can not be arrested for anything pertaining to that.
As for writing a review of your instructor & the class, I would encourage you to do so. Maybe if they saw their name in print, they would do a better job of teaching the laws as required by the state and not what they think the laws should be.


Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but if the zones don't apply to a CPL holder, why does my license have those listed as prohibited for me?
Then I read the law and get dizzy.

What is correct?

[Leader]

The list of pistol free zones I posted is for open carry.
If you have a CPL, it doesn't apply to you.
The list on the back of your permit only applies to CONCEALED carry, not open carry.
The two lists are very similar but not the same.

[kc8opc]

As I understand your answer:

The list on the back of my license means I may NOT CC there, but I may OC? (Until asked to leave, anyway?)

[Leader]

That is correct.
That is the way the laws are written.

[kc8opc]

Ok, clear on that.

But if I OC, they can (will they?) request my absence ASAP?

Would most of these boot me out?

[Leader]

Actually No, they most likely won't.
Depending on where you try it, someone might call the police & they will try to convince you that what you are doing is illegal but you probably won't be arrested.
Funny how that seems to work, the police tell you you are breaking the law but don't arrest you when you open carry.
On the other hand, if you actually do break a firearm law, you are arrested on the spot with no lectures or questions asked.
The excuse used for violating your rights is "the police can't be expected to actually know all the laws.

[kc8opc]

Seems back-a55wards to me, and I know my church would have a collective conniption, but I guess we'll see, huh?!

Now do I put my ankle gun around my pant-leg like Punky Brewster....
:silly:

[kc8opc]

It will be moved back. mod

BTW, Thank you, KayL!

[Leader]

Well... at least at your church, all you have to do is ask and you can legally carry concealed.

[kc8opc]

Thanks, Leader, for all your help...you must get this stuff just ALL the time, but I sure appreciate it!

[Godfather JAM]

Bravo!

-- Mod please move if this is the wrong forum --

Mrs wildman made her first stand on her rights today!

We live in southwest Detroit (Mexican town).
Big parade today everyone out including our boys in blue.

She was returning home, pulled up infront of the gate to our yard.As she stepped out oneof Detroits finest drove by going the wrong way on a one way street mind you.

As she stepped out her shirt hiked up and her legal firearm was exposed as said finest drove by.

The officer driving stopped and asked her "what do you have on your side?"
She replied " My weapon."
Officer " Are you supposed to be have that?"
Wife "Yes I have my CPL"
Officer " you know you are brandishing that?"
Wife :roll: " I am not brandishing , if I was waving it around like a dumba$$, that would be brandishing"
"And a point of fact open carry is legal in the state of MI. If I wanted I could have my gun on me exposed"
At this point the second officer in the car chimed in with.
" You know what, she is right. She has done nothing wrong. She is well within her rights. You can't do anything to her.

She said all the while this is going on the other officer was just sitting there writting things in a little book.
After hearing the story and getting all the facts I believe the officer sitting was a training officer as she said he had SGT name plate.
She also said he just smiled as she was talking to the first officer. Which I gather was rookie officer.

I am very proud of my wife.
1-for standing up for her rights
2-For remembering what we have read and learned.
3- For not being scared everytime a cop is in sight!

I would like to thank MGO for all the information we have gotten from here.
This is the place we have found most of the information on our rights.

Keep up the good work guys.
My wife and I are proud to be MGO members!:score:

[Scoop]

Why do some people feel the need to interject open carry demonstrations into a thread about talking to LEO's about CC???? :crazy:Apparently, they feel the need to add an example of poor tactical decision making intto a conversation about someone doing a great job of standing up for thier God-given right. I dunno. Go figure.

[dougwg]

Apparently, they feel the need to add an example of poor tactical decision making intto a conversation about someone doing a great job of standing up for thier God-given right. I dunno. Go figure.

This thread is now complete with this comment from the peanut gallery.

Try reading the whole thread before responding.

[Done Deal]

This thread is now complete with this comment from the peanut gallery.

Try reading the whole thread before responding.

Oh my....and you should try heeding your own advice before handing it out to somebody else....and please, do not limit it to just this thead.

[kc8opc]

Now, guys, keep it clean.

If you're picking at each other, go play in the Dump some more, it's been a bit boring there lately. Catty, yes. True, ditto.

At the crux of the matter, whether you CC or OC, we that are not LEO would pray for the presence of mind and courteousness of Mrs. Wildman on any such interaction. This shines a pleasant light on gun owners, and considering some of our examples, I applaud.

Whether I would do say what she did, or indeed you would too, is truly beside the point; can we agree that to treat an Officer with respect -without allowing herself to be intimidated- is right?

I hope to do so well.

my :twocents: