New Signature Line Policy

[wwjmaj]

By action of the Executive Committee at the regular meeting held April 24, 2009 and effective May 21, 2009 the following signature line policy was adopted:

Associate Members = no signature line on the board.

Contributing Members = not more than four signature lines. May contain:
1. One hyper link to an acceptable personal/business website; and
2. One MGO hyperlink;

In addition to the above, paid banner advertisers are allowed one additional hyperlink to their banner ad in their signature line.

Mark Jackson, EC Secretary

[Byron]

Good policy change!

Best Regards,
Byron :)

[Done Deal]

Shouldn't site Admin be the responsible for posting this rule change?

Looks like more micro-management to me....

[Ed Hoffman]

The web site admin asked the EC to post this change

this was a EC policy change NOT an admin change

ED

[Done Deal]

The web site admin asked the EC to post this change

this was a EC policy change NOT an admin change

ED

I guess that isn't too surprising considering that the change was made by the EC without input from Admin. I guess that I hit the nail on the head when I labeled it as "micro-management" of the website.

[PhotoTom]

The web site admin asked the EC to post this change

This is correct.

Folks...the policy is fine. Prior to just a few short weeks ago, we didn't have a signature line policy. The forum management staff created one with the goal of protecting the "value" of signature advertising via links or other business promotion. This was/is a valuable revenue source for MGO due to the rapidly growing "audience".

We (the forum management staff) kicked-around a few drafts/ideas and ultimately came up with a "first draft" for publication. It wasn't perfect, but it was a start. As with anything "new", there were some issues to resolve, revisions to be made, etc.

As we were reviewing and discussing the benefits/pitfalls of the new policy, the EC decided to abruptly "tear-up" all of the work we had done thus far and create a new policy. Since the new EC draft policy does not prohibit commercial promotion in signature advertising (for contributing members), our primary goal has been abolished. It would seem that the EC does not recognize the potential value/revenue opportunity for this advertising venue and would rather offer it "free" to contributing members.

This is a point where it really IS an EC decision when it comes to creating policy to promote monetary growth of MGO. In this case, the EC did not create a policy for such a reason...rather...they overturned a policy created by the forum management team that was designed for such a reason. In this instance, it would seem that we (forum management staff) overstepped our boundaries when it came to concerning ourselves with protecting a valuable revenue source for MGO.

Effectively, the EC version of the policy simply prohibits associate members from having ANY signature line. This was easy enough to implement via the forum software. As far as the rest...since it doesn't prohibit commercial advertisement anymore, the entire reason for the forum staff attempt/draft has fallen by the wayside. There is nothing in the new policy prohibiting obnoxiously large signatures...nothing addressing formatting...provisions for "acceptable" links, yet nothing defining the criteria of "acceptable" nor person(s) responsible for making that determination, etc., etc., etc.

The forum management staff's first attempt at creating a signature policy was not perfect, nor is this one. However, since the forum management staff was effectively relieved of our duty to manage the forums (as it relates to creating/administering a signature line policy)...and mainly since our primary goal was discarded in the process, we really find ANY signature policy unnecessary at this point. Aside from prohibiting AM's from having any signature, the rest is simply wide open to interpretation and abuse.

So...again...the forum staff's version was discussed extensively between the admins and mods and was finally published. It wasn't perfect. It was trashed by the EC. The EC has published a new policy. It isn't perfect...but all said and done...

The policy is fine.

[Done Deal]

However, since the forum management staff was effectively relieved of our duty to manage the forums (as it relates to creating/administering a signature line policy)...and mainly since our primary goal was discarded in the process, we really find ANY signature policy unnecessary at this point. Aside from prohibiting AM's from having any signature, the rest is simply wide open to interpretation and abuse.




So, is the EC going to take over dealing with the mess that they effectively created or are they going to let Admin continue to handle that subject to the whims of the EC?

[PhotoTom]

So, is the EC going to take over dealing with the mess that they effectively created or are they going to let Admin continue to handle that subject to the whims of the EC?

This all will probably be a non-issue unless there are "complaints" or "reports" of violations that are not clearly defined by the policy. At that point, we will have to seek clarification or simply turn it over to the EC to handle.

Hopefully...this will be a non-issue.

[Done Deal]

This all will probably be a non-issue unless there are "complaints" or "reports" of violations that are not clearly defined by the policy. At that point, we will have to seek clarification or simply turn it over to the EC to handle.

Hopefully...this will be a non-issue.


You gotta know that sooner or later....somebody is going to push the envelope.

What is really unfortunate is the apparent short sightedness of the EC and their failure to recognize the value of signatures as commercial advertising and the revenue stream that can be result from well thought marketing plans.

So much for "businesslike".....danged shame too....

[joe_robi]

soooo what happened?


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"KILL IT AND GRILL IT"
:deadhorse: :stirpot:

[Pistol Teacher]

For AM need 2 Plain Jane Lines total maybe with a MGO link on the second line
You will lose AM people. Gives them a sense of belonging
For CM Looks great
Best regards
Karl

[Howard000003]

Am I the only one who finds it pathetic that because I'm not a contributing member I have now have no signature? So much for displaying my patriotism (my former sig: “Proud to be an American” followed by the firearms I own. Could I fix that by becoming a CM, yes. Will I? I'm not sure anymore. I was planning on sending in the money when I received my next check, but with all the BS that is occurring right now, I frankly don't know that I want to waste my money.

[Done Deal]

Howard:

Supporting this organization by becoming a contributing member is about a whole lot more than signatures on an internet forum.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=324160#post324160


Please consider becoming an integral part of what the MGO is really all about.

[shurhouse]

Am I the only one who finds it pathetic that because I'm not a contributing member I have now have no signature?

As a Non-Contributing member what do you believe you should get?

[Pistol Teacher]

Am I the only one who finds it pathetic that because I'm not a contributing member I have now have no signature? So much for displaying my patriotism (my former sig: “Proud to be an American” followed by the firearms I own. Could I fix that by becoming a CM, yes. Will I? I'm not sure anymore. I was planning on sending in the money when I received my next check, but with all the BS that is occurring right now, I frankly don't know that I want to waste my money.

I have alot of my Gun freinds that feel 100% Like you about MGO. Overall there is quite a bit of positive conversations if you look. Some very interesting Discussions on a different things.

Don't let the Bad Apples scare you off from joining. There should be a Signature line for all members.

The next time you are in Argentine, we can go into the Lighthouse Restrarant, drink some coffee shoot the crap.

Don't let it get you down.

PM Sent

[MICPL]

Howard:

Supporting this organization by becoming a contributing member is about a whole lot more than signatures on an internet forum.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=324160#post324160


Please consider becoming an integral part of what the MGO is really all about.

I cannot stress enough that EVERYONE needs to read,understand and realize that MGO has needs that only supporters of the ENTIRE organization can successfully support. CM or AM come out see what we offer.

[hopeitsfast]

If a signature line policy stops you from being a contributing member then i think you were just looking for an excuse. No job= i can understand. No money= i can understand. Other priorities= i can understand. Signature policy= Silly excuse. All of course is just my opinion, and we all know what they say about those.

[who dat]

What would keep a sig line from showing up? I have one in my CP but it doesn't show on posts.

Duhh...never mind. Apparently there is a few minutes lag time.

[Done Deal]

Duhh...never mind. Apparently there is a few minutes lag time.

That sorta thing comes with aging....get used to it.

[who dat]

That sorta thing comes with aging....get used to it.
:lol:

[Cherokee]

Am I the only one who finds it pathetic that because I'm not a contributing member I have now have no signature? So much for displaying my patriotism (my former sig: “Proud to be an American” followed by the firearms I own. Could I fix that by becoming a CM, yes. Will I? I'm not sure anymore. I was planning on sending in the money when I received my next check, but with all the BS that is occurring right now, I frankly don't know that I want to waste my money.

I see nothing wrong with ( who ever is making the rules ), deciding to make the Sig line a CM feature. I think there should be a few more changes, that gives a CM more features. The more you have to gain by becoming a CM, the more who might join.

You can insert your sig line on every post yourself. All you do is type your sig line on a notepad doc and keep it on your desk top. Everytime you come to this forum, open that doc and copy the sig to your clipboard. Then you simply copy your sig to each post, right click and copy. It is pretty easy, just not "Automatic".

Like this:
_______________________________________________________________
Cherokee

We try hard to avoid "censoring" people's opinions/freedom of speech here on the MGO Forums.
However, that should not be seen as a "welcome mat" for rude behavior. @ PhotoTom
________________________________________________________________

[Joeywhat]

Am I the only one who finds it pathetic that because I'm not a contributing member I have now have no signature? So much for displaying my patriotism (my former sig: “Proud to be an American” followed by the firearms I own. Could I fix that by becoming a CM, yes. Will I? I'm not sure anymore. I was planning on sending in the money when I received my next check, but with all the BS that is occurring right now, I frankly don't know that I want to waste my money.

Am I the only one that finds it pathetic that a freakin' sig line is apparenty the ONLY thing keeping you from joining this site? Quite frankly I call BS on that...you were probably never going to join.

At the end of the day, this is a FREE site for people to register and post to their hearts' content. Naturally the people who PAY to be a part of the organization will have greater benefits then those that DO NOT pay. Do you think the NRA sends out an NRA card to anyone who asks nicely? Do they get all the benefits of an NRA membership without actually paying for it?

I just don't get it...everything thinks they're entitled to everything. Especially in a group like this! MGO is not a web forum, folks! It's a real, live organization with people who actually do things. Things that help you and everyone else in this state keep our RKBA. Can't do all that stuff for free. Gotta pay to play...

I'm sure there are plenty of other forums out there that would be more then willing to let you have a signature line without paying a single dime! And those forums will also do NOTHING to protect your rights, as well.

[Howard000003]

Howard:

Supporting this organization by becoming a contributing member is about a whole lot more than signatures on an internet forum.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=324160#post324160


Please consider becoming an integral part of what the MGO is really all about.

I understand what you're saying Done Deal. I guess I'm simply becoming frustrated with some of the recent changes. In my short tenure here, MGO has drastically changed from when I first signed up. As it has been stated in other posts, MGO is going through "growing pains", some of which I understand and many others that I simply don't. With that said, the MGO I'm seeing now is not the same as the one when I joined and at the current juncture I'm not sure I wish to dedicate monetary funds to support it.

[bluesoftail]

I can see that the "sig line police" are going to have to specify a "font size limit" because I see a few getting stupid with huge font.

[JCisHe]

Thanks for letting us know.

[Howard000003]

Am I the only one that finds it pathetic that a freakin' sig line is apparenty the ONLY thing keeping you from joining this site? Quite frankly I call BS on that...you were probably never going to join.

At the end of the day, this is a FREE site for people to register and post to their hearts' content. Naturally the people who PAY to be a part of the organization will have greater benefits then those that DO NOT pay. Do you think the NRA sends out an NRA card to anyone who asks nicely? Do they get all the benefits of an NRA membership without actually paying for it?

I just don't get it...everything thinks they're entitled to everything. Especially in a group like this! MGO is not a web forum, folks! It's a real, live organization with people who actually do things. Things that help you and everyone else in this state keep our RKBA. Can't do all that stuff for free. Gotta pay to play...

I'm sure there are plenty of other forums out there that would be more then willing to let you have a signature line without paying a single dime! And those forums will also do NOTHING to protect your rights, as well.


It's the rampant changes due to increased growth that encompass my hesitation to join, this recent change in the signature line simplify typifying the whole idea. I have to ask myself, do I really want to join an origination that I potentially see myself discontinuing its use in the next year due to a shift in the general policy/make up of the online aspect of the organization? By the way, its "positive" comments such as those that you post that really increase my desire to throw my hard earned money into the pot in support of MGO. Should I support a local sportsman club in my hometown/area or support a local organize with members who have stellar attitudes toward legitimate concerns such as yourself...

[dpgperftest]

:bs: :barf: thanks for removing my signature line on the board.

[dougwg]

cough up $25 and you can have it back...:poke:



:)

[wadevb1]

The other board, Michigan Sportsman has a better approach IMHO. Not only do they allow non-supporting members a sig line but they also allow a small amount of picture hosting. With this service I decided to become a supporting member. I also give pay-pal donations to the other gun forums I visit on a regular basis. For some reason I have been wanting to contribute but there seems to be way too much bickering here for me to support it. This goes against my grain as I have sold and bought firearms from the classifieds and I feel guilty by not contributing.

I wont loose sleep by having my sig line removed. It only mention my NRA membership and a gun or two I'm proud of.


SIG LINE
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NRA Member
Possible contributing member

[Done Deal]

The other board, Michigan Sportsman has a better approach IMHO...

This goes against my grain as I have sold and bought firearms from the classifieds and I feel guilty by not contributing.



If you really think that the M-S site has a better approach, why didn't you do your gun deals on that site?

Oh, that's right....Steve doesn't permit it.

Hmmmmmmm, better approach eh? Ok, if you say so.....

[hopeitsfast]

Hell, the whiners should be happy i'm not in charge. I think you should be a CM to sell on this site.

[wadevb1]

If you really think that the M-S site has a better approach, why didn't you do your gun deals on that site?

Oh, that's right....Steve doesn't permit it.

Hmmmmmmm, better approach eh? Ok, if you say so.....

I managed to buy and sell firearms problem free prior to joining MGO. I contributed to MS despite my objections regarding their firearms policy. I'm sure this board is interested in increasing their paying membership and I offered MY perspective as to why I'm holding back. Your reply is the just another example of people sniping at one and another. While it is only a small percent of people attacking it can get personal and ugly at times.

I am more interested in the educational aspect of this site, not the ability to buy and sell firearms. I spend a fair amount of time on other boards and there seems to be less tolerance on this site in comparison.

____________________
NRA Member

[Done Deal]

I contributed to MS despite my objections regarding their firearms policy.

I'm sure this board is interested in increasing their paying membership and I offered MY perspective as to why I'm holding back.

Your reply is the just another example of people sniping at one and another. While it is only a small percent of people attacking it can get personal and ugly at times.



Wait a minute...

You malign this site and then accuse me of sniping? I guess that I just don't get it. I am not getting personal and this isn't getting ugly....they are just statements of fact.

Like other interactive forums, people make posts and get replies. It is not uncommon to get a candid reply to a critical assertion. That isn't personal, or ugly....just the way it works on the net.

Support for this organization should not be dependant upon your impression of this forum but....you gotta admit, there is alot of info to be gleaned here and folks don't have Steve or his merry band of Mods dispensing M-S justice (thank goodness). As far as I am concerned, you can have that site....

[wadevb1]

Wait a minute...

You malign this site and then accuse me of sniping? I guess that I just don't get it. I am not getting personal and this isn't getting ugly....they are just statements of fact.

Like other interactive forums, people make posts and get replies. It is not uncommon to get a candid reply to a critical assertion. That isn't personal, or ugly....just the way it works on the net.

Support for this organization should not be dependant upon your impression of this forum but....you gotta admit, there is alot of info to be gleaned here and folks don't have Steve or his merry band of Mods dispensing M-S justice (thank goodness). As far as I am concerned, you can have that site....

I didn't type anything to malign this site. I suspect I would have been corrected by the people whom manage if I did. A persons perspective is important in the market place therefore I offered mine. I didn't suggest your quoted response towards me was either personal or ugly but gave my impression of some of the recent exchanges within the ammo dump for example.

I hope your anticipated response doesn't include another redundant rant about M-S.

I will contribute to MGO sometime today. I'm sure my posts have been reviewed by the moderators and the powers to be didn't hen-peck my post unlike DD. I respect that.

[Barrettone]

C'mon fellas...It's the 4th for chrissakes...

[tenthumbs]

I managed to buy and sell firearms problem free prior to joining MGO. I contributed to MS despite my objections regarding their firearms policy. I'm sure this board is interested in increasing their paying membership and I offered MY perspective as to why I'm holding back. Your reply is the just another example of people sniping at one and another. While it is only a small percent of people attacking it can get personal and ugly at times.

I am more interested in the educational aspect of this site, not the ability to buy and sell firearms. I spend a fair amount of time on other boards and there seems to be less tolerance on this site in comparison.

____________________
NRA Member


What is the Value of That Education?

$25.00 is CHEAP for what you get Here, in Terms of Knowledge.:twocents:


Do You Realize that Apox. 16% of Registered Members Carry the Cost for ALL Members?

[wadevb1]

What is the Value of That Education?

$25.00 is CHEAP for what you get Here, in Terms of Knowledge.:twocents:


Do You Realize that Apox. 16% of Registered Members Carry the Cost for ALL Members?

Paypal payment sent.

[Smokepole]

The other board, Michigan Sportsman has a better approach IMHO. Not only do they allow non-supporting members a sig line but they also allow a small amount of picture hosting. With this service I decided to become a supporting member. I also give pay-pal donations to the other gun forums I visit on a regular basis. For some reason I have been wanting to contribute but there seems to be way too much bickering here for me to support it. This goes against my grain as I have sold and bought firearms from the classifieds and I feel guilty by not contributing.

I wont loose sleep by having my sig line removed. It only mention my NRA membership and a gun or two I'm proud of.


SIG LINE
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NRA Member
Possible contributing member

This site was originally known as Michigan Gun Owners Uncensored, and it was assembled and administered by several very brave individuals who broke away from the then existing MCRGO site, once "Fleadick" and Perricone, along with their minions ruined both the organization, and the discussion forum with their heavy handed censorship that was attempting to expose them.
...You can call it "bickering", and sometimes it does get a little petty, and often quite heated, but that is the essence of what "uncensored" is all about.
...Michigan Sportsman, "IMHO" is the antithesis of what a quality site should be. The administrator is on an ego trip that rules by fiat, and the worst thing you can ever do is challenge him on any point, mostly because he is incapable of intelligent debate.
...Don't believe me?
Here's a couple of his edicts to me before I told him to shove it!
...I am giving you one more warning to expand the breadth of your posts here to include more hunting and fishing and less involvement in the politics forum or we will have to pull the plug on your account. People come here primarily to be entertained in the hunting/fishing arena and I intend on keeping it that way.
Steve...

...You were warned many times to post something other than political stuff. There are many in the forums who complained about you and wondered if you hunt or fish
at all. We also have our own ideas on some niches that need filling. See freemichigan.com,... that URL could easily be split off into it's own immediately filling any void that you might see. Others who choose to remain on the same path as you will also be asked to leave.

Have fun at Don's site....

"Steve" didn't post any of his restrictive admonishments in his "TOS", he just makes it all up as he goes.
Ironically, the "Sound Off" and Political discussion forum are the most popular and generate the greatest hits and some pretty interesting replies.
...But, according to Stevie's dictates, you're supposed to talk about fish and fur before any of these lesser subjects are discussed.
...Which is clearly subjective, but nonetheless where his mind is at.

[Hasgun Willtravel]

Am I the only one that finds it pathetic that a freakin' sig line is apparenty the ONLY thing keeping you from joining this site? Quite frankly I call BS on that...you were probably never going to join.

At the end of the day, this is a FREE site for people to register and post to their hearts' content. Naturally the people who PAY to be a part of the organization will have greater benefits then those that DO NOT pay. Do you think the NRA sends out an NRA card to anyone who asks nicely? Do they get all the benefits of an NRA membership without actually paying for it?

I just don't get it...everything thinks they're entitled to everything. Especially in a group like this! MGO is not a web forum, folks! It's a real, live organization with people who actually do things. Things that help you and everyone else in this state keep our RKBA. Can't do all that stuff for free. Gotta pay to play...

I'm sure there are plenty of other forums out there that would be more then willing to let you have a signature line without paying a single dime! And those forums will also do NOTHING to protect your rights, as well.

I am an NRA member and it used to say it in my sig line, along with a link to my business.

The NRA sends me nice offers in the mail, free gifts, and a magazine for my membership. MGO sends me......wait,.....nothing.

This whole pay to play attitude is Bullshit, thats what the sponsors pay for. This is happening all over to different forums, you must pay or be thought a freeloader. Its sad, its pathetic, and Admins are too buys playing on the web to know anything about the subject content the forums are based on. The adults can mod themselves, admins and moderators on most sites are jokes. Not to mention you can not even post a simple "I will take it" in the forsales anylonger. Rules, Rules Rules, bans, bans, bans. Sounds alot like something else that I can think of.

[Done Deal]

Hasgun:

Call BS all you want but, IMHO, you haven't been here long enough to fully understand what all has transpired that led up to the decisions that have been made to create the rules currently in effect.

Keep your fingers crossed....the election may just bring about a mechanism for more change.

[Hasgun Willtravel]

Thats another funny thing about admins/mods/forums in General. Post counts and time are the factors in wich people base the worth of validity of your opinion/honesty/skills.

Its nice to be able to find good deals locally and be able to swap stuff a round on a local level, but not at the expense of a few keyboard comandos telling you when why and how to do it.

And the value of knowledge is quite limited unless you just purchased your first new gun. I have not seen any mention of any matches/competitions/ or anything like that, no shooting tips/techniques, no discussion of shooting equipment or reviews of equipment, no reviews of new rifles/shotguns/side arms unless a motivated member does it.....unless you want to have lunch with the MGO guys or the 100-200 yard community shoots, its quite limited.

This type of site is 100% member driven and motivated. My suggestion is stop pissing all over the audiances that you are trying to attract.

[KayL]

Thats another funny thing about admins/mods/forums in General. Post counts and time are the factors in wich people base the worth of validity of your opinion/honesty/skills.

Its nice to be able to find good deals locally and be able to swap stuff a round on a local level, but not at the expense of a few keyboard comandos telling you when why and how to do it.

And the value of knowledge is quite limited unless you just purchased your first new gun. I have not seen any mention of any matches/competitions/ or anything like that, no shooting tips/techniques, no discussion of shooting equipment or reviews of equipment, no reviews of new rifles/shotguns/side arms unless a motivated member does it.....unless you want to have lunch with the MGO guys or the 100-200 yard community shoots, its quite limited.

This type of site is 100% member driven and motivated. My suggestion is stop pissing all over the audiances that you are trying to attract.
Wow, maybe you should find another website to join.

[Hasgun Willtravel]

My suggestion is stop pissing all over the audiances that you are trying to attract.


:bow:

[KayL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasgun Willtravel
My suggestion is stop pissing all over the audiances that you are trying to attract.
:bow:


Excuse me? It appears that out of your 29 current posts, only about 5 were not SALE related, or were just plain bashing of this site.

[DOUGHBOY RACING]

Thats another funny thing about admins/mods/forums in General. Post counts and time are the factors in wich people base the worth of validity of your opinion/honesty/skills.

Its nice to be able to find good deals locally and be able to swap stuff a round on a local level, but not at the expense of a few keyboard comandos telling you when why and how to do it.

And the value of knowledge is quite limited unless you just purchased your first new gun. I have not seen any mention of any matches/competitions/ or anything like that, no shooting tips/techniques, no discussion of shooting equipment or reviews of equipment, no reviews of new rifles/shotguns/side arms unless a motivated member does it.....unless you want to have lunch with the MGO guys or the 100-200 yard community shoots, its quite limited.

This type of site is 100% member driven and motivated. My suggestion is stop pissing all over the audiances that you are trying to attract.
These folks have been wonderful to me, I do plan on becoming a CM soon but not once have they pushed me to do it, even when I participate in their activities although I do try to contribute food or ammo and good stories when I attend their events

[KayL]

These folks have been wonderful to me, I do plan on becoming a CM soon but not once have they pushed me to do it, even when I participate in their activities although I do try to contribute food or ammo and good stories when I attend their events
See... we feed you and you let us shoot your AKs. Works well.

[DOUGHBOY RACING]

See... we feed you and you let us shoot your AKs. Works well.
Yea I can field strip those things in my sleep now :-D

[KayL]

So next time I push a button I shouldn't, you can fix it??!?!??! Good.

Whew.

[Cherokee]

I am an NRA member and it used to say it in my sig line, along with a link to my business.

It was decided that contributing members got the extra perks, like a sig line. When you decide to become a contributing member, you can have your sig line back. Right now, you get to enjoy the rest of the forum, absolutely free! You never have to send in a payment, you just do not get a couple extra perks for not doing so, simple.

As for your business link, I dont think thats allowed, unless you have a business sponsorship, but I could be wrong.


The NRA sends me nice offers in the mail, free gifts, and a magazine for my membership. MGO sends me......wait,.....nothing.

And you sent MGO....wait....nothing. But you receive (from MGO) a forum to dump on as your please.


This whole pay to play attitude is Bullshit, thats what the sponsors pay for.

Your membership fee's are not just to help run the forum, it is for many other things. MGO is not just solely a forum.


This is happening all over to different forums, you must pay or be thought a freeloader. Its sad, its pathetic, and Admins are too buys playing on the web to know anything about the subject content the forums are based on. The adults can mod themselves, admins and moderators on most sites are jokes. Not to mention you can not even post a simple "I will take it" in the forsales anylonger. Rules, Rules Rules, bans, bans, bans. Sounds alot like something else that I can think of.

No one calls people out on thier not paying up, until they start to complain about the free things in life. And now, for your free membership, you want to kick those who work for free to give you your free forum. You sure are a nice guy.

Oh yea, something else I forgot to mention. The annual meeting is in a couple weeks. Even those who have not paid a membership fee are allowed to attend, with lunch on us. You should show up and meet some of us around here. I think you'll find most of us, pretty nice folks.

[Done Deal]

No one calls people out on thier not paying up, until they start to complain about the free things in life.

Well, almost no one...



http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=53364

[wwjmaj]

And we need to call more users/abusers on this. Doug was right on that one.

[jcurtis]

And we need to call more users/abusers on this. Doug was right on that one.

Agreed

[Smokepole]

And we need to call more users/abusers on this. Doug was right on that one.
...Absolutely.
Those that use this site for the benefit of their business should be the first to step up and help to fund it.

[MICPL]

...Absolutely.
Those that use this site for the benefit of their business should be the first to step up and help to fund it.

agreed 100%

[Done Deal]

And we need to call more users/abusers on this. Doug was right on that one.

Where are the rules that require commercial users to be contributing members before they can post?

Are they enforced?

Do we have a prescribed set of SPAM rules which would cover all aspects of selling commercial goods and services? Is it clear, and is it enforced?

Also, do we want to have just any old member jump down the throat of a newbie about this or should it be handled my a staff member of the MGO? Why would we want to risk losing a potential contributing member/advertiser because some smart ass decides that he wants to play spam police? Heck, even another poster mentioned that membership was in the works but...did the message sink in?

I think that this organization would be much better served if certain posts were simply reported to Mods for disposition. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the alleged offender that Doug jumped on got more support from members that appreciated the thread than criticism from folks that delight in stepping on toes.

If elected, advertising policy and SPAM guidelines are something that I would hope to be able to work on to the betterment of the organization. I believe that we are missing the boat on a considerable revenue stream which would also enhance the growth efforts of the MGO.

Granted, one can never hope to please all the people all the time but....we as an organization have to figure out where we want to be and come up with a better way to get there. Alienating newbies does not seem to me to be that way...

[jcurtis]

Alienating newbies does not seem to me to be that way...


So when you jump down the throat of "some newbie" because they post something you disagree with, or as you like to say "is flat out wrong" its OK, but its not OK for others to do the same when they disagree with someone?

[Done Deal]

So when you jump down the throat of "some newbie" because they post something you disagree with, or as you like to say "is flat out wrong" its OK, but its not OK for others to do the same when they disagree with someone?

If somebody is full of shit, they are full of shit. Sure, there are tactful ways to tell them that they are full of shit but, the bottom line remains the same.

This is not a matter of somebody hitting the submit button without knowing WTF they are talking about.

It is a matter of jumping all over a new poster because they are not yet a contributing member when the thread even indicated that steps had been taken to join.

How can you not see the difference in that?

Granted, I am direct. But jumping on a potential advertiser that hasn't been a member a month and has so few posts is imprudent at best. Are you telling me that I am full of shit on that assessment?

[dougwg]

Done Deal,

Most of the issues I have with YOU are that you fail to look in the mirror and feel you can do no wrong yet you want to chastise everyone one else.

I DID NOT jump down anyones throat. For you to insinuate such is dishonest at the very least and malicious in my opinion.

I have the utmost regard for MGO and to see someone act like a squatter and take and take yet give nothing back really pisses me off, sorry.

I am an authorized vendor on another message board and can sell my goods there as I see fit. For this, I pay $150 per month.

I see no reason someone with a gun business, selling here on MGO and profiting from it, can't at least cough up $25 per YEAR. I believe to not do so paints that business in a very poor light to put it nicely.

And for some reason you have an issue with me mentioning it to these people?

Or do you have less a problem with what I say and more with the person saying it?

[Cherokee]

Doug

I agree with DD on some of this ( Egads, what did I just say? )

There are no rules that a person or company has to have a membership or pay a monthly fee to advertise here. Until then, let the person be. No use in pissing them off and have them say screw it and never pay. I think most honorable business people would chip in for atleast a membership, if they find themselves making money.

My wife has 2 forums that she advertise' on ( group buys ). Both forums require no fee's. One will NOT take a donation, she has tried. The other has a donation button and she donates according to how much she made off that forum during that GB.

If you see someone selling as a business, and they havent become a CM within a month or 2, then just dont give them your business. But you can't set yourself as the membership police. It doesnt help MGO, I think it hurts it.

JMHO, not trying to offend anyone.

[Done Deal]

Done Deal,

Most of the issues I have with YOU are that you fail to look in the mirror and feel you can do no wrong yet you want to chastise everyone one else.

How did this get to be about me----stay focused will you?

I DID NOT jump down anyones throat. For you to insinuate such is dishonest at the very least and malicious in my opinion.

Ok, so you only made two absolutely unnecessary comments on a very short thread. So, what is malicious about calling a spade a spade? Anybody here can read the wonderful additions you made to that thread. And anybody that can read can tell that the seller whose thread you jumped on was not pleased with your uncalled for comments. So, what is so dishonest about that?

I have the utmost regard for MGO and to see someone act like a squatter and take and take yet give nothing back really pisses me off, sorry.

So, a newbie that posts on the classifeds becomes a squatter just how again? Geez, he hasn't even been here a month has he? And, pissed off or not, you could have contacted a Mod if you felt that the classifed posts were a violation of some rule instead of repeatedly getting on him.


I am an authorized vendor on another message board and can sell my goods there as I see fit. For this, I pay $150 per month.

Who cares what you are on another message board? This is not another message board.

I see no reason someone with a gun business, selling here on MGO and profiting from it, can't at least cough up $25 per YEAR. I believe to not do so paints that business in a very poor light to put it nicely.

Put it how you want...guidelines are established if you don't want to do business with the guy, you certainly don't have to. But, you don't have to make smart ass comments on his thread either now do you?


And for some reason you have an issue with me mentioning it to these people?

Yup...and guess what---apparently I wasn't the only one who contacted him and told him to just ignore folks who stick there nose in for no good reason.

Or do you have less a problem with what I say and more with the person saying it?

Coming from you or anybody like you...it all smells the same.



And we wonder why the classifieds are read only....

[fbuckner]

Where are the rules that require commercial users to be contributing members before they can post?How soon everyone forgets what they were complaining about

Are they enforced? NO they are not they have been ignored. Now if I post about someones lame as squat and shoot techinc their all over it. But yet they laughed about it when they seen it and pointed it out to begin with ?:confused:

This is not pointed at Lee or Jim so lets not go down that road.

[Done Deal]

Where are the rules that require commercial users to be contributing members before they can post?How soon everyone forgets what they were complaining about

Are they enforced? NO they are not they have been ignored. Now if I post about someones lame as squat and shoot techinc their all over it. But yet they laughed about it when they seen it and pointed it out to begin with ?:confused:

This is not pointed at Lee or Jim so lets not go down that road.

No problem...honestly I am not quite sure what you mean anyway so, without a little more explaining for this feeble mind--I am hesitant to make a call one way or another.

All I remember about the complaining was that some people wanted more rules and some people wanted to be able to do and say as they pretty much pleased.

But, like I said....your post confused the heck out of me so I don't have a clue what you were getting at.

[fbuckner]

No problem...honestly I am not quite sure what you mean anyway so, without a little more explaining for this feeble mind--I am hesitant to make a call one way or another.

All I remember about the complaining was that some people wanted more rules and some people wanted to be able to do and say as they pretty much pleased.

But, like I said....your post confused the heck out of me so I don't have a clue what you were getting at.


There was a motion past for all commercial and trainers to be CM's.
Since that motion passed we were going to have to wait till May date I cant remember about how the admin and mods were going to handle it. Since that date none have been handled on any front. We had a fella list a bunch of ammo and they thought he was commercial but after talking to him he was just a speculator of sorts.

[Done Deal]

There was a motion past for all commercial and trainers to be CM's.
Since that motion passed we were going to have to wait till May date I cant remember about how the admin and mods were going to handle it. Since that date none have been handled on any front. We had a fella list a bunch of ammo and they thought he was commercial but after talking to him he was just a speculator of sorts.


So, the ball is in Admins court then? This sounds like something that must have taken place in an EC meeting. Is it in minutes somewhere that you recall?

[fbuckner]

So, the ball is in Admins court then? This sounds like something that must have taken place in an EC meeting. Is it in minutes somewhere that you recall?
Posted in April intermeeting minutes by Mark Jackson our secretary.

March 29, 2009 Garry Flanary moved that to be able to post any items for sale in the
Commercial Dealers section; or posting any classes in the Education / Training Section
that the thread creator MUST be a Contributing Member. Further, any class that is
being promoted MUST be instructed / coinstructed by the thread creator. Hijacking of a
thread MUST be dealt with swiftly and any redirecting content removed by the
moderators upon the reporting of the post. Finally, responses to information for classes
/ instruction can only be responded to by Contributing Members that provide the type of
service requested. Responses to a thread, by any other member, MUST be dealt with
swiftly and any nonconforming content removed by the moderators upon the reporting
of the post. Supported by F. Buckner. Motion carried on April 18, 2009 with Nick
abstaining.

[Done Deal]

Responses to a thread, by any other member, MUST be dealt with
swiftly and any nonconforming content removed by the moderators upon the reporting
of the post.



So, in other words, as soon as Doug chimed in....moderators should have swiftly removed his nonconforming content?

Sounds good to me.

[dougwg]

And we wonder why the classifieds are read only....

You know what the really funny thing here is....

YOU STILL THINK YOU'RE A MODERATOR.

Who the hell are you to chastise me? Go Away!

This is part of what I'm talking about, you do exactly what you condemn others for doing.

Who made you the protector of businesses pushing their good for free on MGO?

I got a clue for you Lee, NO-ONE! As a matter of fact you sucked at your job so bad that they "fired" you!

So, If you have a problem with me, PM a moderator.

[Done Deal]

You know what the really funny thing here is....

YOU STILL THINK YOU'RE A MODERATOR.

Who the fu(k are you to chastise me? Fu(k 0ff !

This is part of what I'm talking about, you do exactly what you condemn others for doing.

Who made you the protector of businesses pushing their good for free on MGO?

I got a clue for you Lee, NO-ONE! As a matter of fact you sucked at your job so bad that they "fired" you!

So, If you have a problem with me, PM a moderator.


It is plain to see that you have a problem...more than one it looks like.

And pretty much everybody that reads your drivel is already aware of it.

[dougwg]

My only problem is you Done Deal.

You cry and moan about what others do yet you think you can do the same with impunity.

Then again, maybe thats the real problem, is you're so arrogant and self centered that you don't even realize you're doing it.

You need to step back and engage in a little introspection.

You may think I'm the only one that feels this way but I assure you I am simply one of MANY and the most vocal about your antics. Your name comes up quite often in PM's and also at EVERY GTG for MGO that I have ever been too and it's not to praise you, very much the opposite actually. Before you spout off at the mouth and say that I'm the one that brings up your crappy attitude, condescending manners and peoples over all distaste for you, I can also assure you that I'm not not.

Now don't go saying that I said people hate you, I NEVER said that. Although I will state for the record, You're not a very popular person around here.

[Done Deal]

My only problem is you Done Deal.

You should be so fortunate...

You cry and moan about what others do yet you think you can do the same with impunity.

Say what? Anybody can see that you are acting like the pot calling the kettle black.

Then again, maybe thats the real problem, is you're so arrogant and self centered that you don't even realize you're doing it.

Maybe, but then again....maybe not. You are clueless.

You need to step back and engage in a little introspection.

I do it on a regular basis but, lets not forget who became the subject of this thread. It wasn't my antics Mister....so don't try and switch the subject.

You may think I'm the only one that feels this way but I assure you I am simply one of MANY and the most vocal about your antics. Your name comes up quite often in PM's and also at EVERY GTG for MGO that I have ever been too and it's not to praise you, very much the opposite actually. Before you spout off at the mouth and say that I'm the one that brings up your crappy attitude, condescending manners and peoples over all distaste for you, I can also assure you that I'm not not.


Oh my word, sounds like you and your buddies have nothing better to do than sit around in a little circle jerk and talk about me. Why don't you ask the person who you jumped on in the thread how many people contacted him about you? Remember, this problem was about you....nobody else until you tried to divert the source of the problem discussed. You...You....You.


Now don't go saying that I said people hate you, I NEVER said that. Although I will state for the record, You're not a very popular person around here.

State for the record all you want, who cares?



Don't think that you can fool the membership by slamming me in a attempt to make people forget about the topic of this thread. You might think that people are stupid enough to buy into your smoke and mirrors show, but for crying out loud....like it or not, they aren't.

Lets try and keep to the topic at hand, signatures remember?

[dougwg]

This is the topic of this thread:
New Signature Line Policy

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By action of the Executive Committee at the regular meeting held April 24, 2009 and effective May 21, 2009 the following signature line policy was adopted:

Associate Members = no signature line on the board.

Contributing Members = not more than four signature lines. May contain:
1. One hyper link to an acceptable personal/business website; and
2. One MGO hyperlink;

In addition to the above, paid banner advertisers are allowed one additional hyperlink to their banner ad in their signature line.

Mark Jackson, EC Secretary

Seems like you want to change the subject to be about me.

And you call me clueless?

[dougwg]

And whats wrong with my Sig?

Atleast I'm not calling MGO members "pricks" in my sig.

[pitdog02]

Sun streaking cold
an old man wandering lonely.
Taking time
the only way he knows

[Done Deal]

And whats wrong with my Sig?

Atleast I'm not calling MGO members "pricks" in my sig.

So are you now advocating the prohibition of quotes in signatures?

[dougwg]

So are you now advocating the prohibition of quotes in signatures?:coocoo:
So are you now advocating the killing of baby kittens?

From what I hear, you're not supposed to skip doses of psycotropic's.

[Done Deal]

So are you now advocating the killing of baby kittens?

From what I hear, you're not supposed to skip doses of psycotropic's.


Wow...:whacko:

[Tallbear]

Difference of opinion does not always need to end in conflict.

[dougwg]

Difference of opinion does not always need to end in conflict.

If somebody is full of shit, they are full of shit.