For people looking for a big safe.

[hopeitsfast]

Check out Costco online. They have a large Cannon safe delivered to your door for $799+tax. It is has convertible carpeted interior, fire rated, power outlets, and Cannons great warranty. I'll give a full review in 4-6weeks, but by then the sale will be over. The safe is 5' tall 40" wide and 2' feet deep. 800LBS.

[7.62 Nato]

Sounds good. Any idea what the wall and door thicknesses are ?

[hopeitsfast]

Sounds good. Any idea what the wall and door thicknesses are ?
Thick enough to be 800 fricken LBS. Seriously though i didn't even look.

[hopeitsfast]

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Since the 1960’s Cannon Safe Inc has been the innovating force in the safe industry with innovations such as triple 60 + RC hard plate, Wide Body safes, Internal Hinges, commercial grade locks, sure fire re lockers, interiors which hold a firearm in every slot, and the best interior feature-the Cannon Power Box.



Cannon’s EV6040 safe is BIG and holds lots of valuables plus standard features include the Cannon Power Box which provides two ready to use outlets. You’ll love the ability to instantly plug in electronics such as a watch winder, a dehumidifier, charge your laptop or camera all conveniently in the privacy of your safe! This feature will allow your safe to become more than just a place to lock up valuables-it becomes an organizer of your expensive electronics. Its adjustable interior with automotive grade upholstery allows for personal customization-

Use this safe in your HOME, BUSINESS or OFFICE.

Small business owners will love the ability to hold both inventory and a cash register plus with the built in Power Box you could power your register directly form inside the safe.

Homeowners will love the ability to lock up almost anything of value-Documents, jewelry, check books, pictures, passports, firearms, cash, electronics & tax records.

Firearm owners will love the impressive up to 36 rifle capacity-Top shelf is even notched to allow longer firearms to feed through top shelf.



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Features:

The Cannon POWER BOX –This feature is sure to become one of your favorites as it provides 2 ready to use outlet boxes right in your safe. Plug in your watch winder, your dehumidifier rod or other electronics without drilling any holes through the safes body.
WARRANTY-One of the best reasons to own a Cannon Safe is the top rated residential warranty which will repair or replace a safe after a fire, natural flood, or burglary-Cannon was the first to offer this warranty and today leads the way with the most complete process and network of technicians trained to handle the necessary steps.
Cannon Interior-Automotive grade upholstered shelves sit on adjustable tracks which allow for personal customization. This safe can be used for HOME, BUSINESS or OFFICE-its impressive size provides plenty of space for lots of valuables.
Features:

30 MIN. fire protection
U.L.® RSC security rating
Color: Textured Black
Commercial grade Type 1 electronic lock allows user to change combination
3 point deluxe handle
# 1 warranty in the business
33 Cubic Feet
Outside Dimensions: 60” H x 40" W x 24" D includes handle and lock
600 lbs.
Interior Features:

Holds up to 36 long guns in all rifle mode
Built in Power box
Plush upholstered shelving and interior walls
Adjustable tracks allow shelves to be raised, lowered, or removed
Convertible interior allows for use in a split or all rifle mode
Pre drilled for bolting to floor
Security Features:

1” thick composite door
Commercial grade Type 1 electronic lock allows user to change combination
UL ® RSC rated
3 layers of hard plate protect the lock mechanism
Spring loaded re-locker keeps safe locked even after lock has been removed
1 ” active locking bolts
Internal hinges
Door becomes jeweler lug on hinge side and prevents door from being removed
Fire Protection:

30 MIN. fire protection
Expandable fire seal helps keeps out smoke and heat- seal expands up 12 times its size.
All sides are Lined with 5/8 type x fire board
Free repair or replacement of safe after Fire
Residential Limited Warranty:

Free repair or replacement of safe after a Fire, Natural Flood, or Burglary attack
# 1 warranty in the business
[Model EV6040]

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Jdog
Location: Norcal
Date: August 11, 2009 Great Value


Model Number: EV6040
"I did a lot of research before buying a safe. I was ready to pay $1k for it, then it went on sale for $799. It's a large safe, you get the electric lock (very easy and fast) and it's heavy. You can find a nicer finish in a safe but you'll be paying around $2k for one this size. And it was delivered (into the garage, not curbside) in 8 days."
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[dougwg]

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[7.62 Nato]

Looks better than MANY I've seen on the market, and lots of extras. Delivery says to the curb. If you have to finish moving it yourself remove the door first. They usually lift of without tools.

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Surprising that it doesn't have a longer fire rating ............. 30 Minutes is not very long in a house fire - although the security factor would be the most important to me.
Thanks for the info .......... looks like a nice one at a great price

[msbcomputer]

I own an American Eagle (Cannon) safe that's pretty much the same and think it's a nice safe. Originally it came with a Kaba maas (sp?) lock which failed after 3 years. Called Cannon and they were able to get it opened, send out a new lock and locksmith so it was fixed in 2 days for free.
That's was the only problem in 6ish years. The 30 minute fire rating living in the city is more than enough. Very few city fires will go 30 minutes at 1200 degrees.

[PhotoTom]

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[Mongo]

I saw this listed and was going to post it, beat me to it. Seems like a great buy and would be worth joining Costco just to get it.

Costco has a bunch of great deals, well worth the membership in my opinion. Wife and I have bought furniture and been very happy with the delivery and setup also.

[DodgeBoy]

Surprising that it doesn't have a longer fire rating ............. 30 Minutes is not very long in a house fire - although the security factor would be the most important to me.
Thanks for the info .......... looks like a nice one at a great price

Agreed. I bought the Bighorn 31 Cu. Ft. yesterady. It was last months "hot buy". It was $999 delivered, and regular price is $1299. Rated for 70Min @1200 Degrees. Same size as the cannon but thicker steel and a better fire rating.

I own an American Eagle (Cannon) safe that's pretty much the same and think it's a nice safe. Originally it came with a Kaba maas (sp?) lock which failed after 3 years. Called Cannon and they were able to get it opened, send out a new lock and locksmith so it was fixed in 2 days for free.
That's was the only problem in 6ish years. The 30 minute fire rating living in the city is more than enough. Very few city fires will go 30 minutes at 1200 degrees.

30 Minutes at 1200 degrees means that at 30 minutes time, the interior temp of the safe will be 302 degrees which is when paper begins to yellow, and then burn. At 248 degrees wood chars, so I would say a 30 minuted rated safe is probably only going to keep your stuff safe for 15 or so minutes... I don't think the F.D will have arrived and have the fire out in 15 Min. It is also advisable to place the safe in the basement, due to the fact that heat rises. This is all of the info that I have learned throughout the last week or so while researching safes....

[mschaffer66]

How in the hell do you move around an 800lb safe?

[DodgeBoy]

How in the hell do you move around an 800lb safe?

Buy some beer and call your buddies. I moved a 1200LB Liberty safe up a flight of stairs into the back of a truck, and then 100 yds across a backyard into my buddies walkout basement with 3 guys.

[Mongo]

.............. It is also advisable to place the safe in the basement, due to the fact that heat rises........................


If you don't put your safe in the basement, and you have a serious fire, don't worry, your safe will END UP in the basement all by itself. :razz:

[DodgeBoy]

If you don't put your safe in the basement, and you have a serious fire, don't worry, your safe will END UP in the basement all by itself. :razz:

LOL No doubt. Especially at 800+Lbs.

[919cw313]

I have a feeling the guys who deliver it to your door can be per$uaded to take it down a flight of steps, too.

Beer and/or $20 bills can go a long way.

[Imshootin]

It is also advisable to place the safe in the basement, due to the fact that heat rises. This is all of the info that I have learned throughout the last week or so while researching safes....

If you stick it in the basement due to concerns of a fire happening in your home then you might want to make sure it's water tight too. With a good working fire, that basement can accumulate a lot of water.

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Maybe you didn't notice my username ......... LOL

Just some food for thought

Lets see, 30 minutes ........

The national average response time in a city is 3.2 minutes for an engine company and 4.5 for a ladder company located within 2.5 road miles.

In only 3 1/2 minutes, the heat from a house fire can reach over
1100 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature can reach over 300
degrees in rooms that are not even on fire; this is hot enough to
melt plastic and kill the people in those rooms.

A fire’s heat alone can kill. Room temperatures in a fire can be 100 degrees at floor level and rise to 600 degrees at eye level. Inhaling this supper hot air will scorch your lungs. This heat can melt clothes to your skin. In five minutes a room can get so hot that everything in it ignites at once: this is called flashover.

Fires in single family dwellings most often occur in the:
1. Kitchen (25.5%)
2. Bedroom (13.7%)
3. Living Room (8.6%)
4. Chimney (8.2%)
5. Laundry area (5%)
Apartment fires most often occur in the:
1. Kitchen (48.5%)
2. Bedroom (13.4%)
3. Living Room (6.4%)
4. Laundry area (3.5%)
5. Bathroom (2.4%)

[DodgeBoy]

Maybe you didn't notice my username ......... LOL

Just some food for thought

Lets see, 30 minutes ........

The national average response time in a city is 3.2 minutes for an engine company and 4.5 for a ladder company located within 2.5 road miles.

In only 3 1/2 minutes, the heat from a house fire can reach over
1100 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature can reach over 300
degrees in rooms that are not even on fire; this is hot enough to
melt plastic and kill the people in those rooms.

A fire’s heat alone can kill. Room temperatures in a fire can be 100 degrees at floor level and rise to 600 degrees at eye level. Inhaling this supper hot air will scorch your lungs. This heat can melt clothes to your skin. In five minutes a room can get so hot that everything in it ignites at once: this is called flashover.

Fires in single family dwellings most often occur in the:
1. Kitchen (25.5%)
2. Bedroom (13.7%)
3. Living Room (8.6%)
4. Chimney (8.2%)
5. Laundry area (5%)
Apartment fires most often occur in the:
1. Kitchen (48.5%)
2. Bedroom (13.4%)
3. Living Room (6.4%)
4. Laundry area (3.5%)
5. Bathroom (2.4%)


Sounds like a safe could reach its maximum temperature very quickly. Of course, assuming by the time you guys got there the house was already fully engulfed. How hot can normal house fires get?

My comment above stating 15 minutes was assuming that a bystander called sighting the fire, which would likely be the case in my situation. How long does it typically take for a house to become fully engulfed via the most common cause of residential fires?

[bsf]

Perspective of another fireman as posted on another board.

In my (limited) experience, there are *usually* two kinds of fires. The ones that get stopped in or near the room the fire originated in, or the ones that destroy the whole house.

If it's the first kind, a fire-rated safe works, but typically the safe isn't IN the part of the house that is burning. Safes are usually in closets or basements, fires are usually in kitchens, garages, or on beds/couches (think, falling asleep with a cigarette, still a major cause of house fires).

Now, if you have the other kind of fire, and the safe is in the middle of it, the contents are probably toast.

If you put that safe in the basement, and there's a fire, you have different problem: water. Imagine your basement completely filled with water, cuz we WILL fill it. Now imagine the fire occurs in the winter and that water freezes.

If your safe is on a second floor, you may have higher temperatures to deal with. Depending on the fire. The safe could be cooked from below for a long period, and then cooked from above as the fire spreads into the attic, and then cooked all around as the room the safe is in fully ignites.

Safes should be evaluated by their capacity and ability to stop theft. If they're fire rated too, that's icing on the cake, but I wouldn't base my buying decision on fire ratings. Plus, those ratings are completely different from company to company, making comparisons difficult.

Notice some fire ratings might say, for example, this safe was tested at 1200 degrees for 10 or 20 minutes. Problem is, at 1100 degrees, if the fire has enough fuel - as it typically does in a house fire - the fire CHANGES. Flashover is a phenomenon where everything in the room reaches it's ignition temperature at once. You go from stuff burning, to EVERYTHING burning simultaneously.

For an illustration, watch this. You'll know instantly when the barn goes from "on fire" to "flashover".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Q_ykevbZc

This is an EMPTY BARN. Imagine your polyeurethane chairs and couches, your matresses, your TVs, XBoxes, are all adding fuel to the fire. Now imagine all that fuel ignites simultaneously, even **** inside your DVD player that isn't exposed directly to fire spontaneously ignites simply from the raw heat in the room . You think that fire in the video above stayed at 1200 degrees for 10 or 20 minutes? It probably spiked alot higher, and burned alot longer.

If the contents in your safe are exposed to that, nothing is going to help. If the fire never flashes over, if the part of your house the safe is in gets spared by the fire, the fire rated safe works.

You just gotta ask yourself if it's worth the investment. Me? I'd rather spend time/money on fire prevention for my whole house. Save the house, you save the safe and it's contents for sure. Fire is a crazy bitch. I've seen it lay waste to everything, only to somehow skip a fragile wooden picture frame, and then go on to engulf a safe, destroying it's contents. It doesn't behave like the folks in the test labs make it.

And honestly, I don't know how you would go about retrieving a large safe from a burned out house. What if the safe is in the basement, along with the roof and 60 thousand gallons of water? Or what if the safe is on the first or second floor, would you want to retrieve it knowing it weighs half a ton, and the floors it sits on has been greatly weakened?

[bsf]

Thick enough to be 800 fricken LBS. Seriously though i didn't even look.

As another posted already stated implicitly by pasting the description, it is only 600lb. In addition, ~140lb is drywall. Type X gypsum board is the standard material added to make residential security containers (RSC's) fire resistant. I am guessing it is 12ga steel, which is about 1/10". A 1" thick "composite" door is probably just 12ga steel wrapped around some drywall. Now, it does advertise 1 relocker and drill resistant plates. Those are helpful. I have researched RSC’s a bit lately and it has been a little eye opening. These budget RSC’s are going to stop the typical smash and grab burglar, but no one else without additional security measures. Additional measures can include concealment; denying space to work on them w/ a big bar; bolting them to concrete slab and/or walls; etc. All in all, considering it is delivered to your “curb” I think it is probably about as much as you are going to get for $799 + tax. Just my $0.02.

[magstang1]

Let's say this safe was installed in a basement. That would leave plenty of opportunity to build a riser platform out of lumber or possibly concrete to keep 99% of the minor basement floods out. You could also add additional fireproofing on the outside of the safe. For instance a closet built around the safe that is lined with a few layers of drywall (that's all the insulation in the safe is) and has a sturdy header so when your burning house comes crashing down you have a little more crush protection. You can spend all the money you want on a safe, but there is more than one way to accomplish the same goal.

I have done a bit of research myself. You are going to pay 10 times this amount if you want a real safe. The key words here are residential security container. Buy good American made steel in the greatest thickness you can afford, and a good lock, and hope for the best.

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Sounds like a safe could reach its maximum temperature very quickly. Of course, assuming by the time you guys got there the house was already fully engulfed. How hot can normal house fires get?

My comment above stating 15 minutes was assuming that a bystander called sighting the fire, which would likely be the case in my situation. How long does it typically take for a house to become fully engulfed via the most common cause of residential fires?

It all depends on the number of variables - IE: fuel content within proximity of the fire, dwelling construction type, oxygen levels, ignition source, number of fire personell/vehicles available and the response time of the department(s). From there you have to take into consideration the time frame of when the fire started and when the fire department actually received the call.

It is amazing how quickly a simple fire can get going ......... if you ever get a chance to watch a controlled burn in a dwelling you should do it - fire really is like a wild animal. It's almost "alive" in a way and will quickly grow in size, jump around, change direction, make strange loud noises and consume almost anything in its path.


Actually, the best fire protection you can purchase today would be the latest fire/heat/smoke detection along with a residential sprinkler system (which are becoming more and more common in some states and can lower your homeowners insurance costs as well).

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means knocking a 30 minute fire rating ........ that is more than enough for most house fires that are quickly extinguished. I just wanted to shed some light on how hot fires can get and what rooms are most common for a fire to originate. As already stated, if you end up with a total loss, the safe type will not matter - other than possibly a vault.

Oh, and regardless of what safe type you have, make sure you re-evaluate your insurance policy every so often. Typical homeowners and renters insurance coverage is very limited on items such as firearms, jewelry, furs, etc. (unless you purchase a specific rider). NRA insurance might help out if your a member, but many people have inadequate insurance coverage for the contents and forget to adjust their coverage over the years. Especially with antiques ..........

Don't wait until it's too late and regret it.

[DodgeBoy]

It all depends on the number of variables - IE: fuel content within proximity of the fire, dwelling construction type, oxygen levels, ignition source, number of fire personell/vehicles available and the response time of the department(s). From there you have to take into consideration the time frame of when the fire started and when the fire department actually received the call.

It is amazing how quickly a simple fire can get going ......... if you ever get a chance to watch a controlled burn in a dwelling you should do it - fire really is like a wild animal. It's almost "alive" in a way and will quickly grow in size, jump around, change direction, make strange loud noises and consume almost anything in its path.


Actually, the best fire protection you can purchase today would be the latest fire/heat/smoke detection along with a residential sprinkler system (which are becoming more and more common in some states and can lower your homeowners insurance costs as well).

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means knocking a 30 minute fire rating ........ that is more than enough for most house fires that are quickly extinguished. I just wanted to shed some light on how hot fires can get and what rooms are most common for a fire to originate. As already stated, if you end up with a total loss, the safe type will not matter - other than possibly a vault.

Oh, and regardless of what safe type you have, make sure you re-evaluate your insurance policy every so often. Typical homeowners and renters insurance coverage is very limited on items such as firearms, jewelry, furs, etc. (unless you purchase a specific rider). NRA insurance might help out if your a member, but many people have inadequate insurance coverage for the contents and forget to adjust their coverage over the years. Especially with antiques ..........

Don't wait until it's too late and regret it.

Thats a good post right there. The safe I purchased has a 70 min fire rating @ 1200 degrees but I would assume after just 20 minutes or so it would already have reached the max temp or more...

[hopeitsfast]

As another posted already stated implicitly by pasting the description, it is only 600lb. In addition, ~140lb is drywall. Type X gypsum board is the standard material added to make residential security containers (RSC's) fire resistant. I am guessing it is 12ga steel, which is about 1/10". A 1" thick "composite" door is probably just 12ga steel wrapped around some drywall. Now, it does advertise 1 relocker and drill resistant plates. Those are helpful. I have researched RSC’s a bit lately and it has been a little eye opening. These budget RSC’s are going to stop the typical smash and grab burglar, but no one else without additional security measures. Additional measures can include concealment; denying space to work on them w/ a big bar; bolting them to concrete slab and/or walls; etc. All in all, considering it is delivered to your “curb” I think it is probably about as much as you are going to get for $799 + tax. Just my $0.02.
I posted the '800lbs' and i was wrong(twice). As far as security, i would imagine it is going to suit my purposes more then adequately, or else i wouldn't of ordered it. I too did a little research and for the 'top' safes you are talking thousands not hundreds. Is it a top notch safe...no. Is it going to be better then i would get just about anywhere for $800....i hope so. I just posted this in case anyone on a budget wanted a big safe. Take it for what it's worth.

[bsf]

I was not criticizing, just providing some info. It was a surprise to me when I calculated just how much of the weight of these RSC’s was gypsum board. Thought others might find that interesting. I think many consider these RSC's to do more than is reasonable. By themselves, they are smash-n-grab stoppers with a little fire protection. There is nothing wrong with that. I certainly cannot at this time afford $3-$20k for a real safe.

[hopeitsfast]

I was not criticizing, just providing some info. It was a surprise to me when I calculated just how much of the weight of these RSC’s was gypsum board. Thought others might find that interesting. I think many consider these RSC's to do more than is reasonable. By themselves, they are smash-n-grab stoppers with a little fire protection. There is nothing wrong with that. I certainly cannot at this time afford $3-$20k for a real safe.
I understand, and no offence was taken. I'm a believer of more info is better when making an important purchase.

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Any safe beats storing firearms in closets, under beds, etc.
Again, thanks for the heads up .......... that's a great find.

[bsf]

BTW, Costco has this 33cuft Rhino Metals Bighorn RSC (http://www.rhinosafe.com/bighorngunsafes.html) on sale till Nov 8 for $999 shipped. It is a step up from the one mentioned in the OP. It has 10ga (~1/8") construction. That is still not all that impressive, but overall I believe this RSC is a very good value. It has 2 – relockers. An RSC w/ 3/16" or greater body construction is going to be in an entirely different price range than these "budget" RSC's. For reference, the “comparable” Stack-on RSC is available for ~$200 less but lacks any relocker, is not delivered, and is only 12ga.