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Tonight, It was pretty nice outside, So I was outside enjoying the night and weather. Thinking there isnt going to be a lot of these nights left.
When A LEO pulled up and ask me what I was doing in my own yard.
Trying to be a good citizen I informed him I had a CPL and I was armed.
His Response: WHAT THE HELL IS A CPL.
So, I said a CCW and I'm armed.
His next statement: Would you shoot somebody?
Yes, If I was forced to.
His next statement: THATS NOT WHAT A CCW IS FOR! MR. JOHN WAYNE WANNA BE, GET IN YOUR HOUSE BEFORE YOU DONT HAVE A CCW.
I told him I wasnt doing anything wrong and I'm on my own property what is the problem.
His next statement: DON'T TEST ME!
Not want to have any trouble with this jerk, I turn and walk into my house.
I found out later he was looking for a black guy who has a PPO.
I will be talking to the Chief of Police monday morning about this.
M1911A1
10-12-2003, 09:07 AM
You do not have the duty to disclose on your own property.
I'm not saying you did anything wrong, just that walking away without a word would have been legal.
Was his name "Deputy Dog"? Wow, I didn't know that Marshall Law was in effect.
Jerry
10-12-2003, 09:42 AM
Correct me if I am wrong.......
I thought that open carry on your personal property is legal!!!
JR
M1911A1
10-12-2003, 10:45 AM
Concealed carry on your own property is completely legal. So it is with open carry.
357kevin
10-12-2003, 11:06 AM
What an idiot this LEO was! May i ask what town or city?
goldwing2000
10-12-2003, 01:04 PM
When A LEO pulled up and ask me what I was doing in my own yard.
Geez... my first response probably would have been, "Standing in my yard. What are YOU doing here?"
Individual officers like that are the reason there IS a 2nd amendment.
Luckily I know a lot of cops who aren't like that JBT.
bluethunder
10-13-2003, 12:02 PM
I will be talking to the Chief of Police monday morning about this.
Well,please tell us,how did it go? I'd really like to know where this type of behavior is condoned. So I know where to stay out of!
Wesley w/Glock
10-13-2003, 04:55 PM
Scott,
I understand how intimidated you may have been in this encounter. I can assure you that this sort is a minority.
What I HIGHLY recommend is that you go to the police station at your first opportunity and file a formal complaint. Walk in like you own the place. Do not be concerned with who may or may not believe you. That is irrelevant. But most of all, do not be intimidated.
Right now, write down details of the encounter including words said, times and places where applicable. Note any others who may have witnessed the encounter.
Just as an asside, I would have ordered the policeman off my property immediately and told him he would be hearing from me on the next business day.
Have you had any responce from his boss yet? I'm sure others are also wondering.
He may be in step with his bosses policy and that is certainly something to find out. In my county our former sheriff was very anti and this filtered through the entire dept. including the office staff. When going in for an "inspection" they made it feel like a booking. After our new sheriff came in the mood changed completely. And yes, I did comment on this change. I'm the first to complain about problems so I feel I should also comment on positive things.
PhotoTom
10-16-2003, 11:31 AM
Jim - which county?
:?:
I have made 4 phone calls and I have be told he will be calling me back.
But as of this point in time, I have nothing to report yet.
Wesley w/Glock
10-17-2003, 10:41 AM
I have made 4 phone calls and I have be told he will be calling me back.
But as of this point in time, I have nothing to report yet.
Good! Now you can move on to the next step.
Write a polite and friendly letter to the chief asking for an audience with the offending officer's supervisor. Send the letter return-receipt-requested so that you have a signature for someone who received it. In your letter merely request the name and contact information for the offending officer's supervisor and nothing else other than your purpose being to resolve a dispute according to Michigan protocol. Include a suspense date of two weeks from the date of the letter. CC the letter to the city manager and mayor since they will become involved for a formal complaint against the chief, should that occasion arise (which I suspect it will). If there is no response to the letter contact the city manager by phone informing him that you require his aid in filing a formal complaint against the chief and offending officer to be placed in their permanent records.
Once dialog is opened with the city manager, ask what avenues exist for citizens to supervise police activities. Tell him that you suspect that there can't be this level of indifference to citizens without many other problems in the department.
Police MUST be reminded that they are servants and will be held responsible for executing those tasks for which they took an oath.
I would be interested to know the county or township in which this occured.
I've been through this drill before so feel free to PM me for any details you may think of.
Tom,
I'm in Crawford County. In speaking to the new sheriff I found out he is an NRA member and actually believes in the second amendment, unlike many poloticians who join just to say they are members. The personality of the whole department changed from being them vs. us to how can we help. I even got a chance to talk about open carry and while he would rather not see it he also knows it's legal. During CCW classes our asst. PA actually told lies to the class to discurage them from applying. Upon hearing these stories the sheriff assured me his people wound not harrass CCW holders and to my knowledge they haven't.
Wesley w/Glock
10-17-2003, 11:32 AM
I like the concept of a sheriff. Its history goes back more than a thousand years. If you don't like what the sheriff does at least you can vote against him. If you don't like what a chief of police does, what can you do... well... you can complain to the city manager.
HK USP
10-17-2003, 12:51 PM
20/20 hindsight, quite a number of years back I has a smart ass officer try and hastel me, where I demanded he radio his supervisor and get him ASAP, that or we could both drive to the station and visit him personaly. That seemed to take the wind out of his rigging. Always be polite irreguardless of how big of a dork they are, and it sounds as though you did just that.
Al Lowe
10-23-2003, 10:58 AM
Interesting. Quite a bit different from my first LEO encounter....actually 2nd. My first LEO encounter was with a DNR cop. But that was so short and smooth, it didn't warrant any special announcement by me. ;-)
On the night of Sept. 30/Oct. 1, I was on my way home from work, and very tired. (Still hadn't recovered from my lightning trip to Chicago and back, that previous Sunday) and decided to pull off the road and rest a bit before going home.
The place I stopped at is the parking lot of a business called "Darrel's Market." It's on Aurelius and Columbia road in Ingham County. Anyway, I was there barely 15 minutes. Not really getting much rest thanks to what little traffic still existed in the area around midnight.
Then across the street, I noticed brake lights where there had been NO LIGHTS at all. I was sort of curious what was going on, then I saw it was a marked Surburban from the Ingham County Sheriff's dept.
He spotted me a few moments later, and drove over behind my car. Well, I knew what was coming next, so I pulled out my wallet, turned on my interior lights, rolled down my window and pulled out my CPL and my DL.
The deputy came up and I immediately handed my my papers (comrade) and informed him I was carrying a gun. He asked what I was carrying and where was it, I told him, a 9mm semi-auto, and that it was in a holster on my right side.
He asked what I was doing there, I told him I was on my way home from work, (I told him where I worked and who for, a 3rd party collection agency for the State of Michigan) and that I realized I was very tired, and didn't want to take the chance of going off the road, so I pulled into the parking lot to rest.
He asked if the address on my papers (comrade) was current, I told him it was. He then asked if I had anything in the car he should know about, I told him there wasn't. (I didn't think he needed to know about the .50 caliber Browning HMG in the trunk ;)) He then said he'd return in a few minutes.
He did, handed me my papers (comrade) and said I was all set. I thanked him, he left.
Just my opinion, I thought he handled it very professionally, he determined from my manner(s) that there was no need to take possession of my weapon, and it stayed in my holster the whole time.
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