Possible CCW shot attacker

[Red Sector A]

http://www.detnow.com/news/0311111202.html

Heard this on Channel 7 this evening .. a Valet at Cheetahs was held up at gunpoint .. after handing over his wallet the robber wanted his keys .. a struggle ensued and then the gunman tried to flee with the valet in pursuit .. the robber turned and fired and the valet drew his concealed gun and fired striking the robber who got away in a car driven by a friend.

The valet went to the police station and they reported on the news that he presented proper paperwork to show he had the right to carry his weapon... now they didnt mention CCW .. and they didnt say he was a LEO either

This could be a clear case of a CCW person protecting himself with his weapon.. they are investigating it but they said it seemed to have been self defense.

[goldwing2000]

The valet fired and it is believe that the Inkster man jumped into his friend's car and said 'I've been shot' and his buddy drove him to the Redford gas station.

Ummm... yeah. If my buddy was shot, I'd definitely take him to a gas station. :bash: :wtf: :freak:

Score one for the good guys.

[Dave Edwards]

Ummm... yeah. If my buddy was shot, I'd definitely take him to a gas station. :bash: :wtf: :freak:

Maybe he needed a fill-up...


"The victim was a 29-year-old man from Inkster, and he was shot, police believe, by the man he was attempting to rob at gunpoint."

These damn "murder victims"! I wish that they'd stop trying to rob folks at gunpoint!

[Red Sector A]

Ummm... yeah. If my buddy was shot, I'd definitely take him to a gas station. :bash: :wtf: :freak:

Maybe he needed a fill-up...


"The victim was a 29-year-old man from Inkster, and he was shot, police believe, by the man he was attempting to rob at gunpoint."

These damn "murder victims"! I wish that they'd stop trying to rob folks at gunpoint!

Yeah.. I noticed that too.. how the media turned it around and the robber was suddenly the 'victim' ..unbeliveable!!

[Fred Mager]

Shit! I deliver pizza to that place all the time. Either to the back door for the girls or to the valets. This isn't the 1st time this happened at this place. It is a topless place and the valets usually have a wad in tips.

[Roger Roney]

Yea, he was a "victim" alright. Victim of his own stupidity of trying to rob someone at gunpoint in a Shall Issue state!

The Valet was the real victim, who replied/acted in self defense.

We need to coin a new word, or phrase, for these losers who end up like that guy.

How about "Perp non-survivor in shootout he started"?

"Another one bites the dust"?

Jim S., your'e the legalese expert here, what can we rename these "victims" of their own idiocy?

"New Darwin Award winner verified"?

C'mon people, help me out here.

R

[M1911A1]

How about "Would be robber" or "unsuccessful thief"

[G22]

How about... Perp Outgunned, Shot... or P.O.S.

[Scoop]

Inside the car was a 29-year-old driver from Westland as well as the murder victim and suspected robber, a 29-year-old man from Inkster.

Typical liberal media reporting, trying to sensationalize it and create FEAR among the public by using the word MURDER and calling the perp a MURDER VICTIM, as if the CCW holder (shooter) did something wrong and should not have had the right to carry or use his legally registered/licensed handgun.

Murder is a form of homicide. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another human being. Homicide isn't always NEGATIVE (from a true victim's standpoint). There are several forms of homicide (e.g., justifiable, negligent homicide, murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, felony murder, etc.)

Murder - the type of homicide that author of this article used - is (by definition) the felonious (unlawful) killing of another human being with malice aforethought. The author called the man a "murder victim".

Technically, he is a victim -- a victim of the form of homicide called justifiable homicide, NOT a "murder victim".

Yes, many might not agree that he is a 'victim', but he is, according to the definition of law.

The BIG problem that I have with this is that the author INTENTIONALLY called him a "murder victim", which he is not. This, again, sensationalizes this and promotes anti-gun thoughts in the minds of the readers.

Was it an accident that he was referred to as a murder victim instead of a homicide victim? Only if you believe that the author, Kimberly Craig, does not know the difference.

Simply put, the perp that was justifiably shot and killed is/was an azzhole.

[Scoop]

I just fired off an email to the author of the article (Kimberly Craig), as well as several general email addresses at WXYZ, including Frank Turner (WXYZ Commentary) and Chuck Stokes' (WXYZ Editorials):

Ms. Craig -

As a long-time WXYZ viewer, law-abiding citizen and concealed pistol license (CCW/CPL) holder in the State of Michigan, I would like to express my concern over the inaccuracies your November 12, 2003 report entitled "Update: Mysterious Shooting May Be Solved". (located on the WXYZ website at http://www.detnow.com/news/0311111202.html). This type of erroneous reporting - intentional or not - produces unsubstantiated fears and pessimistic rhetoric relative to gun control issues within our state and nation.

Your specific choice of several criminal justice terms lacks accuracy. I am referring to the terms "murder" and "murder victim" within your verbiage.

By definition, murder is 'the felonious intentional killing of another human being with malice aforethought'. Murder is a form of homicide, just as is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide and (specific to your article on this shooting) justifiable homicide.

Throughout your article, you continually referred to the 29-year old man from Inkster as the "victim" and the "murder victim".

The valet, carrying a legally registered handgun using a legally obtained concealed pistol license (CCW/CPL), acted in self-defense when he shot the 29-year old perpetrator. This is justifiable homicide, not MURDER. The perpetrator is NOT a "murder victim", nor was he "murdered". The valet did NOT kill kill this man with malice aforethought.

Even if this valet was NOT carrying his handgun legally or did not have a concealed weapons permit, he did not commit “murder” – nor would the 29-year old man be a “murder victim”.

His justifiable use of lethal force in a self-defense role, utilizing a legally owned and concealed handgun, was NOT murder. However, your reporting - especially your choice of terms - creates a different picture. Your words would lead a viewer/reader to believe that the valet is the criminal (by calling the perpetrator a "murder victim" and a "victim") and that the criminal is the victim. Unbelievable!

In the event that your investigation results became muddled up: the valet was the VICTIM. The Inkster man was the CRIMINAL. There was no MURDER. There WAS a HOMICIDE. Thanks to Michigan’s shall-issue concealed pistol laws, the VICTIM of the crime (robbery, aggravated assault) was NOT the homicide victim.

You are a professional journalist who "specializes in crime coverage" for WXYZ Channel 7 News. I find it uncharacteristic and misguided of you to report this type of erroneous information.

Was this done on purpose, to create more inaccurate rhetoric to support the gun-control groups and convince people that "guns are bad", even when using one in self-defense? If so, let me be the first to say that I am absolutely appalled with this type of journalistic behavior.

It would be fresh and open-minded if a qualified reporter, such as you, would take a stand and report the TRUTH about concealed carry and handguns, instead of filling our (WXYZ) web sites and television broadcasts with deceit and lies.

In addition, it would be great if someone like Frank or Chuck would find time to broadcast an editorial or commentary centering on the TRUTH and ACCURACY of concealed pistol licensee results in Michigan.

Sincerely,

(name)
(email address)
(phone numbers)

[Scoop]

Notice that WDIV gets the information CORRECT:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2627529/detail.html

They called the robber the 'suspect', not the 'victim'.

They called the robber and the driver (or both robbers) "culprits".

They called it "homicide" and not "murder".

They called the guy who died "the deceased" and not "the murder victim".

They specifically referred to the PERP'S gun as "the suspect's gun".

They always referred to the valet as "the valet".

And the best line of all: "According to Local 4 sources, it is not likely that the worker will be charged."

Way to go, WDIV! Nice ACCURATE reporting. Maybe you can give WXYZ and Kimberly Craig some lessons.

[G22]

Great letter rbielak,
In the event (not likely) that you get a responce, let us know.

I sent her a link to the WDIV story stating that "This is how a compitant, unbiased reporter writes articles about situations like this. Take a moment and read it, if you dont understand the difference, e-mail me at xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.com and I will explain it to you slowly."

I dont expect to hear back from her!!!!! :twisted:

[goldwing2000]

This is interesting froom the WDIV story:

Police say a valet outside Cheetah's Lounge at Eight Mile and Grandville roads was approached by two armed men who ordered the worker to hand over his money and car keys.

COMPLETELY different from the WXYZ story!

[Executioner]

Job well done!

Award this man with a membership to the MGOUC.