HB 4867 signed by Granholm - allows CPL in game areas

[Dan]

http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?a=b&page=getobject&objName=2003-HB-4867

Secton 3 was added to this law

(3) The department shall not promulgate or enforce a rule that prohibits an individual who is licensed or exempt from licensure under 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.421 to 28.435, from carrying a pistol in compliance with that act, whether concealed or otherwise, on property under the control of the department.

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The only two to vote against this in the house were Steve Tobocman and Aldo Vagnozzi. Tobocman is the only white democrat in Detroit and has a tough primary. Vagnozzi is in a swing district. They are staunch gun grabbers. Here is their reason to oppose this.

Reps. Vagnozzi and Tobocman, having reserved the right to explain their protest against the passage of the bill, made the following statement: 12-16-2003

"Mr. Speaker and members of the House:

I voted no on House Bill 4867 because the bill would prohibit the Department of Natural Resources from stopping people with loaded pistols or concealed weapons from coming into state parks, beaches and campgrounds. Our state parks should be a place where people can go with their friends, family and children to relax and be free from worry. Our citizens should not have to worry whether or not the person next to them has a loaded gun in their picnic basket."

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On the Senate Side, this passed 5-11-2004. The only ones to vote no here were Detroit Dems Martha Scott and Irma Clark-Coleman, as well as Ann Arbor's Liz Brater and of course - Gilda Jacobs.

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It went back to the house again 5-18-04 and Tobocman and Vagnozzi once again voted against it.

It passed and Granholm signd it.

[G22]

Our state parks should be a place where people can go with their friends, family and children to relax and be free from worry.

Well he should be happy because now thats how it is!!!

[Jim Simmons]

An extension of gun owners rights, signed into law by Governor Granholm. Whodathunkit?

In fact, in fairness, her actions as governor have really been more pro-gun rights than anti, so far haven't they? Not all-embracing flamingly pro-gun, but on the balance, it tilts our way.

Although there is the dove bill issue.

[triggernometry]

This is great. The Rails-to-Trails path in Kent County is a state park under control of DNR. I ride bicycle on it almost every day for exercise.

[LivoniaDan]

It just AMAZES me to think that these suposedly educated people are concerned about those of use who chose to jump throught the hoops of the system to gain this "Right". Do they honestly feel that those who choose to ignore the system and carry guns into the park WON'T do it without a CPL anyway?

And what is that stuff about having a loaded gun in a picnic basket.
Is it assumed that we would leave it there unmanned (also assuming it would NOT BE ON OUR PERSON). Are we perceived as Stupid?

Maybe Forest Gump's mother was right.... Stupid is as stupid does....

We need to find a way to work on the National parks.... It is my understanding that CCW is verboten at the National Park level

[Slatherd]

Can you over simplify this for me?

So now I can carry on state land - concealed AND loaded?

Am I to assume this covers campgrounds? trails? day use areas? boat launches?

[enfield]

We need to find a way to work on the National parks.... It is my understanding that CCW is verboten at the National Park level

True - unloaded and cased is the rule.

[Slatherd]

thanks for clearing that up for me. :?

[G22]

A SUMMARY OF HOUSE BILL 4867 AS INTRODUCED 6-19-03
The bill would amend the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act by placing
in two places language that, generally, specifies that the Department of Natural Resources could
not promulgate or enforce a rule that prohibits an individual from carrying a pistol, whether
concealed or otherwise, if the individual is licensed or exempt under Public Act 372 of 1927 (the
concealed weapons statute).
In the first instance, the department would be prohibited from passing such a rule as it
applies to property under control of the department. In the second instance, the bill would amend
a provision in Part 435 of the act (which addresses hunting and fishing licensing) that prohibits a
person from carrying or transporting a firearm, slingshot, bow and arrow, crossbow, or a trap while in any area frequented by animals unless he or she possesses an appropriate license.

Specifically, the bill would add that the act or a rule or order issued by the DNR or the Natural
Resources Commission could not be construed to prohibit a person from transporting a pistol or
carrying a loaded pistol if the person possesses a license issued under the CCW law, or the
person is authorized to carry a concealed pistol without a license. Further, the bill says that this
should not be construed to permit an individual to hunt with a pistol.
MCL 324.504 and 324.43510

Slatherd wrote

Am I to assume this covers campgrounds? trails? day use areas? boat launches?

I believe the above summary removes the authority of the DNR to create or enforce rules pertaining to CPL.

I would assume you could now carry loaded in DNR run campgrounds, trails, day use areas, and boat launches. Also it removes the need to have an appropriate hunting license when in an area frequented by animals...Like State land.

discalmer: I am not a lawyer. :)