2004 House Bill 5914 (Require hunter orange on portable blin

[cliffd]

2004 House Bill 5914 (Require hunter orange on portable blinds):
Reported in the House on June 23, 2004, with the recommendation that the substitute (H-4) be adopted and that the bill then pass.
Details and Comments: http://www.michiganvotes.org/2004-HB-5914


Introduced by Rep. Joseph Rivet on May 18, 2004, to require that portable hunting blinds be hunter orange in color, and to define hunter orange for garments and blinds as including camouflage designs that are at least 50 percent hunter orange.
Referred to the House Conservation and Outdoor Recreation Committee on May 18, 2004.
Reported in the House on June 23, 2004, with the recommendation that the substitute (H-4) be adopted and that the bill then pass.
Substitute offered in the House on June 24, 2004. The substitute passed in the House by voice vote on June 24, 2004.
Passed in the House (73 to 29) on June 24, 2004.

[Jim Simmons]

I'm not a hunter, so I ask this in all ignorance: what do hunters think of this?

What do you think of the hunter orange requirement in general? Does it cut down on accidental shootings?

[BHP]

In response to Jim's question, I would rather risk spooking an animal than accidently get shot by some idiot, I hunt on private property, but I worry about the occasional trespasser.

Also, I feel the orange is a big benefit when one has to walk thorugh very thick cover.

The majority of game animals are color blind, with the exception of turkey and waterfowl and the hunter orange law is waived for hunting those species and for archery hunting.

The majority of the deer I have spooked, were due to them spotting my movement or they scented me.

I am certain there are others who have a differing opinion.

[Kouger]

I have to Agree........... the orange is a must..i hunt private land as well........non posted in manistee........

you woldnt believe the real nice folks you meet int he woods......

[45 acp]

The current MI law says you muts wear a jacket vest or hat of hunter orange .
When I hunted public land I wore hat coat and pants of hunter orange.
Now I hunt on my own property o usually only wear a an orange hat.
As for jims question yes hunter orange has reduced hunting accidents.

But this bill is sutpid and not needed

[Jim Simmons]

The current MI law says you muts wear a jacket vest or hat of hunter orange .
When I hunted public land I wore hat coat and pants of hunter orange.
Now I hunt on my own property o usually only wear a an orange hat.
As for jims question yes hunter orange has reduced hunting accidents.

But this bill is sutpid and not needed

Next question, then. If the hunter orange rule is a good thing, then why is it not a good idea for blinds?

[Autumnlovr]

The current MI law says you muts wear a jacket vest or hat of hunter orange .
When I hunted public land I wore hat coat and pants of hunter orange.
Now I hunt on my own property o usually only wear a an orange hat.
As for jims question yes hunter orange has reduced hunting accidents.

But this bill is sutpid and not needed

Next question, then. If the hunter orange rule is a good thing, then why is it not a good idea for blinds?

Not needed for 50% of the blind....I also wear lots of orange on public land. On my own property, I wear an orange hat. If I'm using a portable blind on my own property, I put my orange hat on the top of my blind....to warn the stupid trespassers who can't read the frickin signs all over the place that I'm around...before I come out raging like a mad hornet that they should get the heck (???) off my property before I have them arrested and or charged with recreational tresspass so their "toys" will be confiscated.
Hey...can anyone tell that trespassers are one of my pet peeves? :evil:

[45 acp]

Jim Simmons Next question, then. If the hunter orange rule is a good thing, then why is it not a good idea for blinds?



The currentl laws requiring hunter orange clothing are good. Requiring portable blinds to be orange will interfere with hunters ability conceal themselves from certain game species (e.g. turkey) and will make portable stands more visible and susceptible to theft. Many hunters have paid a fair amount of money for portable blinds/stands in camo. There is simply no need for these blinds/stands to be orange. If someone choses to make their stand orange, they should feel free to do so, without a law imposing on all.

If the bill was for firearm deer season only on public land I would be apt to support it.
But as written it applys to all hunting including archery, water fowl,and turkey. Also would be required on private land .

[Jim Simmons]

So, given that turkeys and waterfowl aren't colorblind, a requirement that blinds contain hunter orange would diminish the usefulness of the blinds. Also, making them hunter orange would make them more susceptible to theft and/or vandalism.
Also, there is less need for orange blinds on private land.

Is that the crux of the objections?

[45 acp]

So, given that turkeys and waterfowl aren't colorblind, a requirement that blinds contain hunter orange would diminish the usefulness of the blinds. Also, making them hunter orange would make them more susceptible to theft and/or vandalism.
Also, there is less need for orange blinds on private land.

Is that the crux of the objections?

Yes that is my main objections.

If the bill were to be only on public land during firearm deer season I may support it

[Jim Simmons]

<snip> If the bill were to be only on public land during firearm deer season I may support it

Is there any overlap between firearm deer season and turkey or waterfowl season?

[45 acp]

No firearm deer season does not overlap turkey or waterfowl hunting seasons.

[Kimber45]

No firearm deer season does not overlap turkey or waterfowl hunting seasons.

Back in my waterfowling days I would look forward to duck hunting during the firearms deer season since I would usually be the only one out on the DNR managed sites.

[savedbydbelle]

This would also mean that every hunter that invested 100's of $$ for hunting blinds to use on their own private property last year, or in years past... must now toss them away and invest all over again!!!! I won't be able to hunt for a few years if this is the case. I spent too much last year and cannot do it again this year! :(

[savedbydbelle]

I just back and read the House version of the bill...they made a substitution so that this paalies to PUBLIC lands. I hope the Senate concurs!

[Rob]

Orange on your blind also makes it alot easier for DNR to find you. Lets not forget about that little tidbit.

[fbuckner]

public not private land

[answerguy]

I don't see the need for blinds to be orange. They aren't deer shaped and they aren't moving.

[Jim Rund]

My $2 on the subject is If blinds are orange more thefts and vandalism to them would increase. Some blinds have a piece of fabric like a rain fly on a tent which is orange that you can add to the blind for when you are in them. Saw one in Cabelas. As for making it mandatory for them to be orange no way you are still required to wear orange if inside them. I hunt public land for deer and have not even set my blind up because of all the other hunters in the area. Hunter orange has made me look more closly at what is beyond my target and the fact that a cammo blind may be back there makes me look even harder for sign that other hunters may be using one. It should be up to the person if they want it orange or not. say a lot of stuff but also say nothing future politician :roll: