HB 4283 use of rifle in shotgun zone

[Tallbear]

HB 4283 of 2013
Natural resources; hunting; use of certain firearms during firearm deer season; allow. Amends sec. 43526 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43526).
Last Action: 2/19/2013 referred to Committee on Tourism

[Divegeek]

looks about the same as last year. It has the stupid 1.16-1.8" cartridge length regulation in there. Which means that a .380/9x17mm Walther PPK/S would be acceptable, but a 9x19mm from a carbine with a 16" barrel isn't "powerful enough".

It is an improvement over what we have now, but still ridiculous.

[klijewski]

looks about the same as last year. It has the stupid 1.16-1.8" cartridge length regulation in there. Which means that a .380/9x17mm Walther PPK/S would be acceptable, but a 9x19mm from a carbine with a 16" barrel isn't "powerful enough".

It is an improvement over what we have now, but still ridiculous.

WAT? .380 is shorter than 1.16.

What they need to do is open it up to all leaver action rifles or at least make the length longer to include the 45-70. This does include the .357 mag and 44mag though.

[sasquatchpa]

Who should we e-mail/call ? Who are the committee members? List them and I will call...

[klijewski]

looks like rep. Matt Lori introduced the bill
124 N Capitol Ave Lansing, MI 48933
(517) 373-0832

[Roundballer]

Who should we e-mail/call ? Who are the committee members? List them and I will call...

Tourism:

Peter Pettalia (R) Committee Chair, 106th District
Ken Goike (R) Majority Vice-Chair, 33rd District
Hugh D. Crawford (R) 38th District
Bob Genetski (R) 80th District
Bruce Rendon (R) 103rd District
Dave Pagel (R) 78th District
Robert Kosowski (D) Minority Vice-Chair, 16th District
Charles Brunner (D) 96th District
John Kivela (D) 109th District
_____________________________
Joy Brewer, Committee Clerk
517-373-8474
_____________________________


Maybe suggest that the lower length be moved to 0.75 to include .38sp and 9x19, and still keep the .380 out.

This same bill, introduced by the same rep, passed the house last year 106 to 2. The bill died in the Senate.

[Walther]

And the .30 M1 Carbine. I can use it or my Blackhawk in .30 Carbine up north, neither one down here. This is an opportunity to include it in the handgun listing as well.

There are so few cartridges that meet the criteria it'd be simpler just to list them instead of using caliber and Min/Max length.

What is included here? Common ones would be 9mm, .38 special .357, .40 Smith, .41 mag, .44 special, 44 mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, what am I missing? Not sure you could even find a long gun for .38 or .44 spec, never looked. Maybe I'll get an Auto Ordinance Thompson, that'd be fun to hunt deer with....

[woodtick007]

Tourism:

Peter Pettalia (R) Committee Chair, 106th District
Ken Goike (R) Majority Vice-Chair, 33rd District
Hugh D. Crawford (R) 38th District
Bob Genetski (R) 80th District
Bruce Rendon (R) 103rd District
Dave Pagel (R) 78th District
Robert Kosowski (D) Minority Vice-Chair, 16th District
Charles Brunner (D) 96th District
John Kivela (D) 109th District
_____________________________
Joy Brewer, Committee Clerk
517-373-8474
_____________________________

Do you have their email addresses to post?

[HANDGUNNER]

Bill did not die in the Senate. It passed committee and was sent to the Committee as a whole. They are sitting on it because the NRC has promised to introduce it this year as a three year trial period. The Senate has suggested they would vote on it after this years elections if not put into effect by the NRC. The NRC wants to introduce the law so they will have more control over it than if it was legislated in. The NRC contacted Rep. Matt Lori who introduced the bill in 2013. Stating they will introduce for this years season. If interested contact Rep. Lori's office and they will fill you in. It is a 2013-2014 bill so it still can be acted on by the Senate to go for the Govs. Signature

[Divegeek]

WAT? .380 is shorter than 1.16.

You are correct .380 is shorter than 1.16", but there is not a restriction on cartridge length out of a pistol, only the new part about rifles chambered in pistol cartridges. So therefore, as the proposal is written, you can hunt deer with a .380 pistol, but not a .380 rifle. (not that I have seen too many rifles in .380) Same goes for 9x19mm. I could hunt with a Glock 19 if I plugged the mag to hold less than 8rnds, but I couldn't hunt with a carbine chambered in the same 9x19mm.