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    HB 4308/4309 Prohibit creating a visual representation

    • HB 4308 of 2013
      Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry. Amends secs. 2 & 2a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 & 28.422a) & adds sec 12c.
      Last Action: 2/21/2013 referred to Committee on Judiciary
    • HB 4309 of 2013
      Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4308'13
      Last Action: 2/21/2013 referred to Committee on Judiciary
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    Administrator zigziggityzoo's Avatar
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    Whaat?

    If I understand this - they can't take pictures of buyers? That was a problem?

    Does this affect CCTV?

    EDIT: Aha.

    (A) CREATE A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION OR A BIOMETRIC RECORD OF

    AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS PURCHASING A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION, EXCEPT FOR

    A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION CREATED INCIDENTALLY TO THE ROUTINE USE OF

    SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.
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    So, when I buy or sell a weapon, I lay out the gun with serial number, fan out the cash and lay both our IDs, and snap the pic. That pic is kept with the receipt.
    So that would be illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyborgWarrior
    So, when I buy or sell a weapon, I lay out the gun with serial number, fan out the cash and lay both our IDs, and snap the pic. That pic is kept with the receipt.
    So that would be illegal?
    That's correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zigziggityzoo
    Whaat?

    If I understand this - they can't take pictures of buyers? That was a problem?

    Does this affect CCTV?
    Doesn't sound like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by HB4308
    SEC. 12C. (1) A SELLER OR A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER

    SHALL NOT DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

    (A) CREATE A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION OR A BIOMETRIC RECORD OF

    AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS PURCHASING A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION, EXCEPT FOR

    A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION CREATED INCIDENTALLY TO THE ROUTINE USE OF

    SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS
    .
    Whoa, I was late on that one...

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    What would be the purpose of such legislation?
    What problem are they fixing?

    More important, what problems are they creating?

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    WHOA......

    This is more than just not linking a purchaser to a picture......

    This makes the LTP and PSR a TWO part form. One copy for the seller, one for the buyer. NO COPY TO TURN IN, NO FURTHER REGISTRATION.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer
    WHOA......

    This is more than just not linking a purchaser to a picture......

    This makes the LTP and PSR a TWO part form. One copy for the seller, one for the buyer. NO COPY TO TURN IN, NO FURTHER REGISTRATION.
    Yup! I didn't catch that.


    "eliminate pistol database entry" Right in the title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zigziggityzoo
    Yup! I didn't catch that.


    "eliminate pistol database entry" Right in the title.
    Hey, hey. I missed that too!

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    Would this be a scud to stop Michigan from going to a FOID type system?

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