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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocowheats
    I'm pretty damn sure that you are wrong. MI did away with "MI pistols"...now we measure with the stock UNFOLDED just as the feds do. Before MI measured with the stock folded.

    So a 24" gun folded with a 16" barrel ought to be just a rifle since when the stock is extended it'd be over the 26" minimum.

    This belongs in legal begal...or maybe one of our lawyer members will chime in....I could always be wrong.
    And I'm pretty sure the definition of a SBR in Michigan did not change with the new law.

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    From the MSP website:
    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7...0953--,00.html

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    6. I want to purchase an UZI Model B, 9MM semi-automatic carbine with a folding stock. Are these legal in Michigan?

    Under MCL 750.222 and Attorney General's Opinion #6280, the answer is no. The UZI carbine (barrel length 16.1 inches, length with stock contracted 24.4 inches, length with stock extended 31.5 inches) is a short-barreled rifle and their SALE and/or POSSESSION is prohibited according to an Attorney General's opinion.

    http://www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/da...0s/op06280.htm

    STATE OF MICHIGAN

    FRANK J. KELLEY, ATTORNEY GENERAL

    Opinion No. 6280

    March 20, 1985

    PISTOLS:

    Firearm fully operable when folded or contracted with length of 30 inches or less as a pistol

    SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE:

    Rifle fully operable with stock folded or contracted as a 'short-barreled rifle'

    SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUN:

    Shotgun fully operable with stock folded or contracted as a 'short-barreled shotgun'

    WEAPONS:

    Firearm fully operable when folded or contracted with length of 30 inches or less as a pistol

    A firearm containing a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of 30 inches or less and being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition is a pistol requiring licensure for purchase, carrying or transport, and is subject to safety inspection.

    A rifle with a barrel of at least 16 inches in length and a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of less than 26 inches, being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition, is a 'short-barreled rifle' whose sale or possession is prohibited.

    A shotgun with a barrel of at least 18 inches in length and a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of less than 26 inches, being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition, is a 'short-barreled shotgun' whose sale or possession is prohibited.

    Colonel Gerald L. Hough

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    714 S. Harrison Road

    East Lansing, MI 48823

    You have requested my opinion on two questions relating to certain firearms. Examples of the types of firearms at issue include the UZI semiautomatic carbine rifle (barrel length--16.1 inches; length with stock contracted--24.4 inches; length with stock expanded--31.5 inches); the Remington 870P shotgun (barrel length--18 inches; length with stock folded--28.5 inches; length with stock unfolded--38.5 inches); and the Universal Firearms #5000-PT semiautomatic carbine rifle (barrel length--18 inches; length with stock folded--27 inches; length with stock unfolded--36 inches).

    Your first question is:

    Are firearms with folding and/or telescoping stocks which are fully operable with the stocks folded or contracted and whose lengths are 30 inches or less with the stocks folded or contracted 'pistols,' as defined in MCL 28.421 et seq; MSA 28.91 et seq, and, thus, subject to the provisions contained therein?

    The definition of the term 'pistol' is set forth in subsection (a) of MCL 28.421; MSA 28.91:

    "Pistol' means any firearm, loaded or unloaded, 30 inches or less in length, or any firearm, loaded or unloaded, which by its construction and appearance conceals it as a firearm.'

    'Firearm' is defined in MCL 8.3t; MSA 2.212(20):

    'The word 'firearm', except as otherwise specifically defined in the statutes, shall be construed to include any weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by using explosives, gas or air as a means of propulsion, except any smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling BB's not exceeding .177 caliber by means of spring, gas or air.'

    In Huron Advertising Co v Charter Twp of Pittsfield, 110 Mich App 398, 402; 313 NW2d 132 (1981), lv den, 414 Mich 855 (1982), the court stated:

    'All words and phrases in ordinances and statutes must be construed according to their common and approved usage. . . . Effect must also be given to each part of a sentence, so as not to render another part nugatory. . . . Judicial construction of a statute or ordinance is inappropriate where the language of the statute is unambiguous.'

    The definition of the term 'pistol' in MCL 28.421; MSA 28.91, is unambiguous. It clearly covers all firearms which are not more than 30 inches in length. The firearms which are described generally in the first question and specifically in the examples are fully operable when they are 30 inches or less in length and are pistols under MCL 28.422; MSA 28.92.

    MCL 28.422; MSA 28.92, provides that no person shall purchase, carry or transport a pistol without first obtaining a license therefor. A person who owns or comes into possession of a pistol is required to present such weapon for safety inspection to the applicable local law enforcement officer in accordance with MCL 28.429; MSA 28.99.

    It is my opinion, therefore, that a firearm which may be contracted or folded to 30 inches or less and is fully operable in such condition is a pistol requiring licensure for purchase, carrying or transport, and is subject to safety inspection.

    Your second question is:

    Are rifles and shotguns whose barrels are at least 16 and 18 inches in length, respectively, with folding and/or telescoping stocks which are fully operable with the stocks folded or contracted and whose lengths are less than 26 inches with the stocks folded or contracted 'short-barreled rifles' and 'short-barreled shotguns,' respectively, as defined in MCL 750.222 et seq; MSA 28.419 et seq, and, thus, subject to the provisions contained therein?

    MCL 750.222; MSA 28.419, in pertinent part, provides:

    '(d) 'Shotgun' means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single function of the trigger.

    '(e) 'Short-barreled shotgun' means a shotgun having 1 or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

    '(f) 'Rifle' means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

    '(g) 'Short-barreled rifle' means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.'

    MCL 750.224b; MSA 28.421(1), provides that a person who manufactures, sells, offers for sale, or possesses a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle is guilty of a felony. This section specifically exempts from its provisions the sale, offering for sale or possession of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun which the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece, or collector's item not likely to be used as a weapon, but only if the person selling, offering for sale or possessing the firearm has fully complied with the provisions of MCL 28.422; MSA 28.92 and MCL 28.429; MSA 28.99.

    The firearms which are referred to in the second question will fall within the definition of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun only if they are considered to have been made from a rifle or shotgun 'by alteration, modification, or otherwise' and are capable of being folded or contracted to less than 26 inches in length. It is unclear what is meant by the phrase 'by alteration, modification, or otherwise' as used in MCL 750.222; MSA 28.419.

    To resolve a perceived ambiguity, a court will look to the object of the statute or rule, the evil or mischief which it is designed to remedy, and will apply a reasonable construction which best accomplishes the purpose of the statute or rule. Johnston v Billot, 109 Mich App 578, 589, 590; 311 NW2d 808 (1981), lv den, 414 Mich 955 (1982). In construing a statute, legislative intent may be determined from consideration of all provisions of the enactment in question. Wheeler v Tucker Freight Lines Co, Inc., 125 Mich App 123, 126; 336 NW2d 14 (1983), lv den, 418 Mich 867 (1984).

    It has been held that the term 'alteration' means a change of a thing from one form or state to another, making it different from what it was without destroying its identity. Paye v City of Grosse Pointe, 279 Mich 254, 257; 271 NW 826 (1937).

    It is clear that if a person altered or modified a rifle or a shotgun with a fixed stock by shortening that stock so that the overall length of the rifle or the shotgun was less than 26 inches, such a firearm would fall within the definition of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun. Sale or possession of such firearms is prohibited by MCL 750.224b; MSA 28.421(2):

    '(1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle.

    '(2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.'

    n order to effectuate the legislative intent to limit the presence of such weapons in this state, a rifle or a shotgun which can be lengthened and shortened at will must also be considered as a weapon made from a rifle or a shotgun by alteration, modification, or otherwise when it is capable of being less than 26 inches in length by folding or contracting its stock.

    It is noted that the UZI semiautomatic carbine rifle is a short-barreled rifle since it is capable of being contracted to an overall length of 24.4 inches and is fully operable in this condition. The Remington 870P shotgun has a barrel 18 inches in length and an overall length of 28.5 inches with the stock folded, and, therefore, it is not a short-barreled shotgun. The Universal Firearms #5000-PT semiautomatic carbine rifle has a barrel length of 18 inches and an overall lenght of 27 inches with the stock folded, and, thus, it is not a short-barreled rifle.

    It is my opinion, in answer to your second question, that rifles and shotguns whose barrels are at least 16 and 18 inches in length, respectively, with folding and/or telescoping stocks, which are fully operable with stocks folded or contracted, and whose lengths are less than 26 inches with stocks folded or contracted, fall within the definitions of 'short-barreled rifle' and 'short-barreled shotgun,' and their sale or possession is prohibited by MCL 750.224b; MSA 28.421(2).

    Frank J. Kelley

    Attorney General
    Last edited by westcliffe01; 06-06-2013 at 09:51 PM.

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    I did see that posting on the MSP site. Fortunately, Michigan laws have changed since then and I'm not convinced by that posting the AG opinion is still valid. Or am I wrong and the laws and definitions regarding the UZI still remain?

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    There was a similar thread discussing this issue in the Legal forum back in April. Regardless of the AG's opinion and the change in the "michigan pistol" law, Michigan still defines a SBR as a firearm under 26" with the stock folded.

    here is the other thread...

    http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=240462

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    SB 760 Effective Date Jan 1 2013
    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...12-PA-0242.pdf

    (k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

    Thus the portion of the law to which the AG opinion applies has not changed at all, which is why SBR's are still forbidden in MI. You will note that the AG commented very specifically on the Uzi and nothing in that regard has changed.

    Furthermore, you can be assured that the length is still measured with the stock in its shortest/folded position, with the pre-condition that the weapon be operable in that condition. Some weapons like the Keltecs are not operational when folded, so they are good to go. The measurement process continues to be based on that specific AG opinion and nothing regarding that has changed either. If that were not the case, my Galil would never have been a pistol in the first place since it is over 30" with the stock extended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themonk41
    I did see that posting on the MSP site. Fortunately, Michigan laws have changed since then and I'm not convinced by that posting the AG opinion is still valid. Or am I wrong and the laws and definitions regarding the UZI still remain?
    Exactly....besides, the State police don't right laws, so their opinion is just that...

    Lastly, that letter would seem to be from before Jan. 1,2013 since folders don't make rifles pistols anymore.

    If MI still measures with the stock folded, then a whole bunch of what were legal guns would be illegal now and that's not the case.

    The Uzi may be an exception and banned...like tech 9's are.

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    The measurement technique that is used to determine overall length, happens to be based on that AG opinion. So, under 26" was illegal, and still is - applies to the Uzi then and still does.

    >26" and less than 30" USED to be a MI Pistol. Now is a rifle just like anything over 30" always used to be.

    So please explain what you mean by this statement and provide an example of your logic please.

    "If MI still measures with the stock folded, then a whole bunch of what were legal guns would be illegal now and that's not the case."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymac
    There was a similar thread discussing this issue in the Legal forum back in April. Regardless of the AG's opinion and the change in the "michigan pistol" law, Michigan still defines a SBR as a firearm that has been modified to be under 26" with the stock folded.
    I am not aware of any actual case law on the subject (and I don't intend to be the test dummy). But the actual text of the law appears to allow a rifle with a 16" barrel that is less than 26", as long as that is how it came from the factory. It is only when a weapon is "...made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise..." that the 26" rule appears to come into play.

    AG Kelly contends that by folding and/or un-folding the factory-installed stock, you have now "altered" the firearm. That's about as accurate as saying you have altered your car by opening the doors. Or him saying he wants to raise the taxes on your house because you "altered" it by opening a window. He offered this as his opinion, which I would take to imply that he would prosecute someone in possession of one of these firearms.

    There is no guarantee that he would win the case, though. That would ultimately be up to the court to decide. So until someone wants to challenge Kellly's opinion, then it is prudent to treat it as law. But technically, it still does not appear to actually be the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocowheats
    The Uzi may be an exception and banned...like tech 9's are.
    Did I miss something. Despite all of the media hype, a Tec-9 is just another semi-auto pistol.
    Last edited by GarrettJ; 06-09-2013 at 09:54 AM.

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