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    Another misquote from Kathleen Gray. What I said was before 2001 and a “CPL” was required . Another example of poor journalism.

    “But Michael Thiede of the Michigan Gun Owners Association said before concealed-weapons permits were required, "I didn’t have to take a class to tell me I was going to be safer to do all of these things. I didn’t have to give state an extra $105. Concealed pistol permits didn’t make this state any more safe. It just made it richer."
    Contact Kathleen Gray: 313-223-4430 or kgray99@freepress.com. Follow her on Twitter @michpoligal.

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    HB 4416 of 2017
    Weapons; firearms; certain provisions regarding weapons; repeal. Amends secs. 227, 227b, 230 & 237a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227 et seq.) & repeals secs. 227a & 231a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227a & 750.231a).
    Last Action: 5/16/2017 Analysis File Added

    HB 4417 of 2017
    Weapons; firearms; 1927 PA 372; update references. Amends secs. 12 & 15 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.432 & 28.435). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4416'17
    Last Action: 5/16/2017 Analysis File Added

    HB 4418 of 2017
    Weapons; firearms; natural resources and environmental protection act; update references. Amends sec. 43510 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43510). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4416'17
    Last Action: 5/16/2017 Analysis File Added

    HB 4419 of 2017
    Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 12, ch. II & sec. 16m, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 762.12 & 777.16m). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4416'17
    Last Action: 5/16/2017 Analysis File Added

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    it was said that there will be another hearing on this matter next week, any idea when that will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by khicks View Post
    it was said that there will be another hearing on this matter next week, any idea when that will be
    I'll post it as soon as it is scheduled.

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    DATE: Tuesday, May 23, 2017

    TIME: 2:30 PM or after committees are given leave by the House to meet, whichever time is later.

    PLACE: Room 326, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

    AGENDA:
    SB 333 (Sen. Jones) Courts; business court; types of cases heard by the business court; revise.

    HB 4416 (Rep. Hoitenga) Weapons; firearms; certain provisions regarding weapons; repeal.

    HB 4417 (Rep. Hornberger) Weapons; firearms; 1927 PA 372; update references.

    HB 4418 (Rep. Allor) Weapons; firearms; natural resources and environmental protection act; update references.

    HB 4419 (Rep. Cole) Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update.

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    Tehehe. Watch Lyin' Linda get called out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtdP_E2AEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt8261 View Post
    Tehehe. Watch Lyin' Linda get called out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtdP_E2AEY
    When you get called out by Tim Skubick, you know you have no argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt8261 View Post
    Tehehe. Watch Lyin' Linda get called out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtdP_E2AEY
    Wow.. she really has NO CLUE about the facts of the matter, does she? She sticks to her guns (pun intended) even in the face of the truth. 900,000 concealed carriers with a license, another 100,000 people open carrying now, if we did not require licensing and training, we'd still have a million armed Michiganders. How is that more guns in the hands of more people in more places?

    Good Lord...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallbear View Post
    We were out number probably 5 to 1 by the "other" side.

    Meeting got started late because of session getting out late (around 3:20).
    Started with the bill writers testimony with questions from committee. Then came testimony from both sides ( first from a couple on our side then a couple from the "other" side, back and forth.) Lasted till almost 6pm.

    Some of the testimony from those flocks had little to do with the bills (kids getting guns, drive by shootings, etc) then of course they wanted more training. No vote today only testimony.
    Where would one find the transcript of this meeting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt8261 View Post
    Tehehe. Watch Lyin' Linda get called out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtdP_E2AEY
    She MUST be related to Debbie Stabenow.

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