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Thread: HB 4838 Allow Retired LEO to Carry Concealed in No-Carry Zones

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    Telling my Rep what I think would go no where (as usual), but in this case it would be absolutely useless. He cosponsored it.
    His BIO says he's a member of the NRA: http://gophouse.org/representatives/thumb/howell/
    Maybe that's just for appearances?

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    Separated LEO's under 18 USC 926c already have more ability to carry not just a concealed pistol than what an exempt CPL would grant, but almost any concealed firearm.

    It doesn't do as much as they think but the police unions and MCOLES don't have a clue about LEOSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdew View Post
    His BIO says he's a member of the NRA: http://gophouse.org/representatives/thumb/howell/
    Maybe that's just for appearances?
    I believe it is.

    Pay attention to what he does, not what he says. If he was pro 2A, you would think that he would support pro 2A bills.
    The other bill that he has his name on is 4458, a bill to increase penalties and fines for expired licenses.

    He also signed onto a bill that would limit fireworks (allow municipalities) to just Independence Day and New Years, not any National Holiday.

    He has signed onto nothing that would promote 2A, and was instrumental in getting further restrictions placed on the Lapeer "pit".

    I see nothing except lip service from the RINO.


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    boooooooooooooo
    I'll have to put that into better words when I call my rep to voice my unhappiness at being a 2nd class citizen, but that's about how i feel
    "Sec. 2. All persons who are commonly known as “Greasers” or the issue of Spanish and Indian blood, ... who go armed and are not known to be peaceable and quiet persons, and who can give no good account of themselves, may be disarmed by any lawful officer, and punished..." - Disarming of "Greasers", An Act to punish Vagrants, Vagabonds, and Dangerous and Suspicious Persons” California, passed April 30, 1855.

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    I'm not sure why the redundancy of this bill is needed:

    Current law:
    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon or portable device that uses electro-muscular disruption technology prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsections (1) and (2); violation; penalties.
    Sec. 5o.

    (1) Subject to subsection (5), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(h), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:

    (a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the student from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

    (b) A public or private child care center or day care center, public or private child caring institution, or public or private child placing agency.

    (c) A sports arena or stadium.

    (d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may post the sign developed under this subdivision.

    (e) Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials of the church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship permit the carrying of concealed pistol on that property or facility.

    (f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.

    (g) A hospital.

    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.

    (2) Subject to subsection (5), an individual shall not carry a portable device that uses electro-muscular disruption technology on any of the premises described in subsection (1).

    (3) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(h), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.

    (4) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

    (5) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to any of the following:

    (a) An individual licensed under this act who is a retired police officer, retired law enforcement officer, or retired federal law enforcement officer.

    (b) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is employed or contracted by an entity described under subsection (1) to provide security services and is required by his or her employer or the terms of a contract to carry a concealed firearm on the premises of the employing or contracting entity.

    (c) An individual who is licensed as a private investigator or private detective under the professional investigator licensure act, 1965 PA 285, MCL 338.821 to 338.851.

    (d) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a corrections officer of a county sheriff's department or who is licensed under this act and is a retired corrections officer of a county sheriff's department, if that individual has received county sheriff approved weapons training.

    (e) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a motor carrier officer or capitol security officer of the department of state police.

    (f) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a member of a sheriff's posse.

    (g) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is an auxiliary officer or reserve officer of a police or sheriff's department.

    (h) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is any of the following:

    (i) A parole, probation, or corrections officer, or absconder recovery unit member, of the department of corrections, if that individual has obtained a Michigan department of corrections weapons permit.

    (ii) A retired parole, probation, or corrections officer, or retired absconder recovery unit member, of the department of corrections, if that individual has obtained a Michigan department of corrections weapons permit.

    (i) A state court judge or state court retired judge who is licensed under this act.

    (j) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a court officer.

    (6) An individual who violates this section is responsible for a state civil infraction or guilty of a crime as follows:

    (a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c), the individual is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $500.00. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol suspended for 6 months.

    (b) For a second violation, the individual is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000.00. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol revoked.

    (c) For a third or subsequent violation, the individual is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol revoked.
    This bill would add to the list:
    (K) A QUALIFIED RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
    Why? (a) already covers it!

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    Did our infamous police offer get to take retirement? I sure hope not.

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    Can you clarify you post as far as "any concealed firearm" and the MCOLES has no clue about LEOSA

    Thanks,
    Ray
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    HB 4838 of 2017
    Weapons; concealed; carrying of concealed weapons by retired law enforcement officers in no-carry zones; allow. Amends secs. 1, 5b & 5o of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 et seq.).
    Last Action: 11/28/2017 Analysis File Added

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...8-1BBAD7C8.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoTom View Post
    HB 4838 of 2017
    Weapons; concealed; carrying of concealed weapons by retired law enforcement officers in no-carry zones; allow. Amends secs. 1, 5b & 5o of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 et seq.).
    Last Action: 11/28/2017 Analysis File Added

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...8-1BBAD7C8.pdf
    Still sucks

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    That is because they believe that they are not subject to these laws. AND! Once they show their retired LEO ID, who is going to bust them for something so "petty".
    It's not against the law for retired police officers.

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