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Thread: HB 4970 of 2017 Eliminate CPL requirement for certain military personnel

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    HB 4970 of 2017 Eliminate CPL requirement for certain military personnel

    HB 4970 of 2017
    Weapons; concealed; concealed pistol license requirement; eliminate for certain military personnel. Amends sec. 12a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.432a).
    Last Action: 9/20/2017 bill electronically reproduced 09/19/2017

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    FIRST!

    No more special classes!

    But this one even divides the special classes. In "g" they have exempted on duty National Guard, as well as the rest of the armed forces.

    Yet, now that they add "retired" as in "(l) An individual who was honorably discharged from the United States Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marine Corps." they leave National Guard out?


    Hey!

    Dear honerable Representatives,
    Michele Hoitenga, aire Rendon, Holly Hughes, Triston Cole, Tom Barrett, Pamela Hornberger, Gary Glenn:
    Have you not heard that now is not the right time (according to Senator Meekhof) for any gun bills?


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    James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution," wrote in 1792 in his essay on property, "In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights." When you understand that your rights are your property this next statement makes sense.

    Then he goes on to say, "That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest."

    "That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called."

    "If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments."


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    How about some more quotes?

    "Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature." (Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, 1772)

    “In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” (Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, 1772)

    “Liberty then I would say that, in the whole plenitude of it’s extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will: but rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will, within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’; because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." (Thomas Jefferson, 1819)

    “Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.” (Frédéric Bastiat, The Law, 1850)

    “No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain degree. The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.” (Frédéric Bastiat, The Law, 1850)

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence, 1776
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    FIRST!

    No more special classes!

    But this one even divides the special classes. In "g" they have exempted on duty National Guard, as well as the rest of the armed forces.

    Yet, now that they add "retired" as in "(l) An individual who was honorably discharged from the United States Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marine Corps." they leave National Guard out?


    Hey!

    Dear honerable Representatives,
    Michele Hoitenga, aire Rendon, Holly Hughes, Triston Cole, Tom Barrett, Pamela Hornberger, Gary Glenn:
    Have you not heard that now is not the right time (according to Senator Meekhof) for any gun bills?
    They also left out the Coast Guard .
    Mike"Tallbear"Thiede

    Own it Respect it Secure it


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