Parking Lot Legislation Headed to the House Floor! - Page 3

johnzilla · 11-08-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mydogmax

If they break the law/violate your rights in firing you, you've got 'em in the cross hairs. Sue the poop out of 'em.

And lose. Not to hijack the thread, but you can be fired for literally anything...it doesn't have to be for the gun legally stored in your car while you're working. The employee handbook is filled with things they can ding you on but normally don't. All they need to do is start one day and document three of them and there goes your lawsuit. Heck, one "ding" is technically enough to get you fired, but three would make a pretty solid case to a judge, assuming you even get to a judge and aren't sent instead to an arbitrator because of some other corporate policy you signed off on.

I just hope that staff is educated on this law if/when it passes. At my place of employ, vehicles are subject to search, coming and going. But I guarantee that the guard won't be kept up to date on laws. So the first time someone goes through the gate with their lawfully stored firearm and gets searched is going to cause quite a commotion. The fallout from that might be enough to be a career-ending move, legal or not.

Also, it means stopping just off company property to transfer the weapon to and from your holster.

crypto · 11-08-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johnzilla

And lose. Not to hijack the thread, but you can be fired for literally anything...it doesn't have to be for the gun legally stored in your car while you're working. The employee handbook is filled with things they can ding you on but normally don't. All they need to do is start one day and document three of them and there goes your lawsuit. Heck, one "ding" is technically enough to get you fired, but three would make a pretty solid case to a judge, assuming you even get to a judge and aren't sent instead to an arbitrator because of some other corporate policy you signed off on.

I just hope that staff is educated on this law if/when it passes. At my place of employ, vehicles are subject to search, coming and going. But I guarantee that the guard won't be kept up to date on laws. So the first time someone goes through the gate with their lawfully stored firearm and gets searched is going to cause quite a commotion. The fallout from that might be enough to be a career-ending move, legal or not.

Also, it means stopping just off company property to transfer the weapon to and from your holster.

Do they actually REALLY search your car? In some of our facilities (like a parts depot) we are subject to a search but we have outsourced our security to Wackenhut and it seems a search is looking in your trunk, that's it. I have worked for this "auto" company for 33 years now and have never had any search more than that. It's a joke.

Same thing with firing, firing is very very rare at this auto company, I have seen only ONE in 33 years and this was because this employee was getting kickbacks from contract people who reported to him and he allowed them to report hours they did not work.

If this law passed, I would feel very comfortable in having a gun in my car on company property. I guess others might have issues with their company, I would not. Could be because I have 33 years in, I know all the people who have the authority to fire me.

johnzilla · 11-08-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crypto

Do they actually REALLY search your car? In some of our facilities (like a parts depot) we are subject to a search but we have outsourced our security to Wackenhut and it seems a search is looking in your trunk, that's it. I have worked for this "auto" company for 33 years now and have never had any search more than that. It's a joke.

Depends on the guard. I've seen it both ways. In this economy, I'm not willing to risk it. A couple more years if things go as planned, yes. Now, no.

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Originally Posted by crypto

Same thing with firing, firing is very very rare at this auto company, I have seen only ONE in 33 years and this was because this employee was getting kickbacks from contract people who reported to him and he allowed them to report hours they did not work.

It doesn't have to be a "firing". All it takes is to be added to the list of people to be "laid off" the next time the ax comes around. Sure, an employee might get another 6-12 months out of the company, but eventually they'll be gone so the end result is the same. That's what I meant about "career-ending move". It doesn't have to be a mass layoff, either...it could simply be an outsource.

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Originally Posted by crypto

If this law passed, I would feel very comfortable in having a gun in my car on company property. I guess others might have issues with their company, I would not. Could be because I have 33 years in, I know all the people who have the authority to fire me.

You must have some incriminating info or photos on those folks.

Because my auto company has literally cut 50% of their North American workforce in the past few years and would have no problem cutting more under the current CEO. Nobody is safe where I work...including managers, and in the last round we lost a lot of good people that shouldn't have been cut if skills were the only measure.

Joeywhat · 11-08-2009, 05:36 PM

They search cars at my building that are going back to the plant. Parking in the lot doesn't get searched...although there is a sign up that says EVERY car in the lot is subject to being searched.

SomeGun · 11-17-2009, 08:52 PM

It seems that all employers have rights and not necessarily in the best direction of the people that work for them. I personally would not be fearful of law-abiding people with CPL's working for me and in my place of business.

I do know that anyone can get hot in the moment, but emotional maturity is everyone's responsibility we minor in that in this country. It should be something we all have to subscribe to. We were once a nation of fairly emotionally responsible people.

I think if employers new that the people who want to exercise their 2nd A rights have to read a book like Emotional IQ:
Can't post the link yet because I have not posted enough.
But the books name is "Emotional Intelligence" "Why it can matter more than IQ" Author: Daniel Goleman.
People who think through their actions could be a useful tool to bridging the gap with a proven track record, are an asset to a business.

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11-17-2009, 08:52 PM	#25
SomeGun Junior Participant Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wayne Posts: 37	It seems that all employers have rights and not necessarily in the best direction of the people that work for them. I personally would not be fearful of law-abiding people with CPL's working for me and in my place of business. I do know that anyone can get hot in the moment, but emotional maturity is everyone's responsibility we minor in that in this country. It should be something we all have to subscribe to. We were once a nation of fairly emotionally responsible people. I think if employers new that the people who want to exercise their 2nd A rights have to read a book like Emotional IQ: Can't post the link yet because I have not posted enough. But the books name is "Emotional Intelligence" "Why it can matter more than IQ" Author: Daniel Goleman. People who think through their actions could be a useful tool to bridging the gap with a proven track record, are an asset to a business.