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GMAN12
09-08-2004, 05:28 PM
> State senator proposes Michigan extension of federal assault-weapons
> ban
>
> The Associated Press
> 9/7/2004, 4:52 p.m. ET
>
> LANSING, Mich. (AP) - State lawmakers said Tuesday they will introduce
> legislation to make sure assault-style weapons aren't sold, bought or
> manufactured in Michigan.
>
> Sen. Gilda Jacobs, D-Huntington Woods, said the bill would extend
> protections that are set to disappear next week when the 10-year-old
> federal assault-weapons ban is to expire.
>
> "These weapons are a threat to all Michigan citizens," Jacobs said. "If
> Congress fails to extend the ban, Michigan must take immediate action
> to protect our residents."
>
> In March, congressional Republicans voted down their gun-maker immunity
> bill after the Democrats won an amendment to extend the federal
> assault-weapons ban beyond its expiration. The provisions caused the
> National Rifle Association to withdraw its support for the bill, and
> Senate Republican leaders decided to kill it.
>
> The end of the ban would mean the gun industry could resume making,
> importing and selling 19 types of military-style semiautomatic weapons.
>
> Jacobs held a press conference Tuesday in Oak Park, where she was
> joined by Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings, Rep. Bill McConico,
> D-Detroit, and victims of shootings involving assault weapons.
>
> Jacobs said more than 180 law enforcement officials statewide support
> continuing the ban. Ten other states have implemented bans or
> regulations on assault weapons, she said.
>
> Justice Department data shows the proportion of banned assault weapons
> traced to crimes has dropped by 65.8 percent since 1995. In 1995, the
> first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented
> 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault
> weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in
crimes.
>


Just wondering if anyone else has seen this. Just Suck's!

Slatherd
09-08-2004, 06:35 PM
Is there a bill number yet? or is this just in the proposal stage?

bluethunder
09-08-2004, 06:38 PM
I have not seen any bill #. I think it's just hot air, for now, (I hope).

Slatherd
09-08-2004, 06:48 PM
I can see this one moving quickly. if it comes up as a bill someone be sure to post it!

I've already mailed my senator. Deb Cherry (democrat) I dont know her voting record. But, I am also having my fiance' email her senator. Burton Leland

gjgalligan
09-09-2004, 05:21 AM
I've already mailed my senator. Deb Cherry (democrat) I dont know her voting record.

Its not good!

goldwing2000
09-09-2004, 07:55 AM
In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes.

3.6%??

1.2%??

Aren't there bigger fish to fry?!?! How about looking at the total amount of crime instead of one little segment??

Talk about looking through the wrong end of the telescope!!

Kimber45
09-09-2004, 08:05 AM
In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes.

3.6%??

1.2%??

Aren't there bigger fish to fry?!?! How about looking at the total amount of crime instead of one little segment??

Talk about looking through the wrong end of the telescope!!

Kane,

You're missing the point. It isn't about crime. It's about getting rid of ALL guns. Gun owners are divided over this issue just as hunters and non-hunters are divided. They are never going to give up and they will use any wedge they can.

goldwing2000
09-09-2004, 08:11 AM
John,

I get their point.

Call me naive but it still amazes me when people can have such a huge lack of common sense.

It's just scary.

bluethunder
09-09-2004, 08:34 AM
Call me naive but it still amazes me when people can have such a huge lack of common sense.

It's just scary.



:shock: Well, Kane, look at the up-side, at least those people don't carry guns. :lol:

ltdave
09-09-2004, 09:26 AM
that 1.2% that jacobs is harping about or any gun-grabber is screaming about is not about lack of common sense. ALL gun control proponents are concerned with one thing.

its not crime, its not guns its CONTROL

the sooner EVERY Gun owning Citizen realizes that the better we will be. there wont be anymore compromises, there wont be anymore bans, there wont be any increase in crime. Gun owners need to stop thinking in terms of crime prevention or anti military or non-sporting use. the leftists in government can not move forward with their agenda as long as we possess the teeth of liberty. look at Chicago. look at the way the city is run. the inhabitants of that city can not possess firearms. anyone fly into meigs field lately?

the anti-gunners are after EVERY gun

Kimber45
09-09-2004, 11:35 AM
anyone fly into meigs field lately?



Uhhhh - not since it was bulldozed March 31, 2003.

ltdave
09-09-2004, 01:45 PM
EXACTLY my point...

david

johnny
09-09-2004, 04:01 PM
Here's Chicken Little's press release.

www.senate.michigan.gov/dem/PR/14-090704.pdf

Write your servants!

BigDaddy40
09-09-2004, 04:30 PM
John,

I get their point.

Call me naive but it still amazes me when people can have such a huge lack of common sense.

It's just scary.



it used to amaze me too, but i now realize that half of this country voted for gore.

i'm convinced at least 50% of the country's adults are stupid

Red Sector A
09-09-2004, 05:57 PM
Seventy seven percent of likely 2004 presidential election voters support renewal of the federal ban, while only 21% oppose renewal.

I wonder where this statistic came from..... probably out of her a** no doubt like most antis statistics.

Red Sector A
09-09-2004, 05:59 PM
i'm convinced at least 50% of the country's adults are stupid

Being a bit conservative arent we? .. 50% seems a bit low... :)

wrinkledshirt
09-09-2004, 06:29 PM
Can anyone with good knowledge of the makeup of our legislature comment on the likelihood of this thing actually getting passed?

45 acp
09-09-2004, 07:03 PM
i'm convinced at least 50% of the country's adults are stupid

Being a bit conservative arent we? .. 50% seems a bit low... :)

50% is about right .
You are stupid or you are not stupid looks like 50 - 50 to me. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thrindle
09-09-2004, 08:43 PM
I'm not surprised that so many people support the ban given there are so many media lies about the ban. Just yesterday AM 950 was reporting that as of Tuesday automatic weapons will be legal, and the played Kwame Kilpatrick lying to a group of police officers. I called the production manager twice and told her that she has to stop reporting these lies at once since the information her reporter is saying is false. She first said "she'd look into it, but I told her it's very irresponsible for her to allow false information to be aired, especially since she had just been informed that her reporter is not telling the truth. Didn't hear the news piece after the second complaint. Didn't hear a retraction, either.

bluethunder
09-10-2004, 08:55 AM
Didn't hear the news piece after the second complaint. Didn't hear a retraction, either.


That doesn't surprise me a bit. Admit they were wrong, you gotta be kidding, the lying batsages. But, on the good side, at least they stopped airing it. Great job, Thrindle. :biggrin:

SteveS
09-10-2004, 11:08 AM
Can anyone with good knowledge of the makeup of our legislature comment on the likelihood of this thing actually getting passed?

While I can't say that I have "good" knowledge, I noticed that the MI AWB (Sen. Bill 1381) was sent to the judiciary committee. Cropsey is the chair, so I doubt that he will want to push it through. Here is the judiciary committee:

Republicans: Cropsey, Bishop, Sanborn, Patterson
Democrats: Schauer, Bernero, Brater (co-sponsor of the bill)

Bernero is my rep. and he has not been pro-gun in the past. I sent him an e-mail anyway. Supposedly, there is a companion bill being introduced in the House, but I haven't been able to find anything on it yet.

jeff s
09-10-2004, 03:09 PM
Can anyone with good knowledge of the makeup of our legislature comment on the likelihood of this thing actually getting passed?

I talked to Sen Wayne Kuipers today, while at the Ottawa Country GOP HQ's picking up tickets to see Pres. Bush. He told me the bill is going nowhere and will die!

johnny
09-10-2004, 04:07 PM
Thanks for that post Jeff S., Kuipers is my Senator too and I haven't been responded too since I wrote him about the matter.
BIG RELIEF!

Kouger
09-10-2004, 05:16 PM
Can anyone with good knowledge of the makeup of our legislature comment on the likelihood of this thing actually getting passed?

I talked to Sen Wayne Kuipers today, while at the Ottawa Country GOP HQ's picking up tickets to see Pres. Bush. He told me the bill is going nowhere and will die!


I hope your right....however WE still need to stay on top of this and keep the letters going

tb
09-13-2004, 10:15 AM
2004 Senate Bill 1381 (Ban so-called "assault weapons"):
Introduced by Sen. Gilda Jacobs on September 9, 2004, to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or possession of so-called "assault weapons," which are semi-automatic firearms (capable of firing one shot only for each trigger pull) that have certain cosmetic features giving them the appearance of fully-automatic military arms. The bill would also ban new magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Current owners could keep firearms of this type if they annually registered them with the state police and paid a fee, and stored them in compliance with new rules to be promulgated by the state police. The bill would authorize annual state police compliance inspections of the storage premises.
Details and Comments: http://www.michiganvotes.org/2004-SB-1381

khicks
09-13-2004, 10:40 AM
where did she get this 6 rounds a second bs. she must be trying to scare every one with lies. i for one do not know of any one that can pull a triger 3600 times a min. that is full auto

banjobart
09-13-2004, 11:59 AM
Your math off. 6 rounds per second times 60 seconds equals 360 rounds per minute. Full auto begins around 10 rounds per second or 600 rounds per minute, like a tommy gun. The M-16 runs around 800 RPM, depending on buffering and barrel length.

It is routine for a good IPSC or IDPA shooter to fire 6 rounds per second while doing a Bill Drill. This exercise is a draw from the holster and firing 6 shots into the target at 10 yards. We practice until we do it in 2 seconds. The first shot breaks at one second and the sixth shot at 2 seconds. Timers used are accurate and electronic. Some of my buddies can do .12 second splits so they are firing 8 or 9 rounds per second. My best splits are .14 or .15 so I fire up to 7 rounds per second, while hitting the target, too.

ltdave
09-13-2004, 01:48 PM
Full auto begins around 10 rounds per second

actually full auto rates can be much lower. its not practical but any rate that occurs from more than one round being fired by holding the trigger back...

Thompsons (at least the M1 version i fired) cycled about 450-600. so it could be less than the 600 you quoted...

BARs had 2 speeds. the lower rate was IIRC was around 125rpm...

but youre right. some shooters can get astronomically fast splits. im not in that rate but was close. once. a long time ago.

david

M1911A1
09-13-2004, 09:10 PM
If memory serves, the early BAR had a 300/600 rate slection and later variants went with a 450/900 rate selection. I may be remembering a different piece.

What is needed is a ban on Gilda Jacobs!

Just my opinion, not that of any organization, message board, theology of epistomology!

ltdave
09-13-2004, 10:05 PM
you may be correct. i was trying to recall 'hearsay' from 88-89...

i fired an A2 several times in the Air Force but i cant recall anyone telling me 'specifically text book' numbers. just what was passed on down from memory...

david

ANIMAL
09-16-2004, 09:38 PM
I seem to remember something about protecting America against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

and a little something about what the 2nd is really all about. cleaning house when they start to act like they own you.

We need to get rid of the socialists. when we won our independence a lot of those still loyal to the crown moved to canada. I think its about time for another house cleaning.

bluethunder
09-17-2004, 08:00 AM
I think its about time for another house cleaning.


I'm with you on the house cleaning, Craig. You are right, it's about time. They must of forgoten all about their Oath. But I don't do windows :wink:

Zee
09-24-2004, 08:37 PM
Well, just in case, I did zip an e-mail off to my rep.

That bill just plain STINKS, and I don't even own one of these pseudo assault weapons.

BHP
09-26-2004, 03:06 PM
Supposedly, a companion bill was being introduced in the House, any idea if that has surfaced,