SB 0057, 0058 eliminate no carry zones

[Tallbear]

SB 0057 of 2011 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0057)
Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; crime of carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited place; delete from guidelines due to repeal of section. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0058'11
Last Action: 1/25/2011 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

SB 0058 of 2011 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0058)
Weapons; concealed; list of specified premises on which a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon may not carry that weapon; eliminate. Amends sec. 5c of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425c) & repeals sec. 5o of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425o).
Last Action: 1/25/2011 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

[DooFighter]

Sent emails to my legislators already as I heard this on radio news this morning. My Senator is a cosponsor (Casperson ).

[james_joshua]

Is there a petition for this one?

[james_joshua]

Recieved a reply from my senator.


Dear Mr. J:

Thank you for your communication with Senator Anderson regarding gun control. Senator Anderson appreciates your comments on this important issue.

The Senator is a gun owner and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. If a person is a law-abiding and mentally sound citizen they should have the rights to defend themselves and their home against individuals seeking to do them harm. However, the Senator feels that the bill that would repeal gun free zones goes too far and creates a dangerous situation for citizens and children. The Senator has talked to numerous law enforcement officials that agree that this bill will create a greatly increased safety risk in those areas where guns would be allowed. Should this legislation come before the Senate in its current form, the Senator will be voting against it.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with Senator Anderson on this issue. Please don't hesitate to contact his office in the future with questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Scott Hendrickson
Legislative Aide
Office of Senator Glenn S. Anderson
Michigan State Senate
6th District

[indianajones]

Recieved a reply from my senator.

ok. atleast he is honest in his feelings. I would rather have a hardline opinion than a waffling opinion like most goverment folk.

Problem is, it is more dangerous in places where no one is armed. as we all know.

[DooFighter]

I received this supportive response from my Rep Ed McBroom:

...Gary: Thanks for your letter. This issue has received a lot of attention around the State. I am supportive of this legislation and look forward to supporting this legislation when it reaches the floor of the House. Sincerely, Ed

As mentioned, my Sen is a cosponsor.

Regarding the above response from Sen Hendrickson, at least he has the balls to tell you what he believes. I've had numerous letters from Levin, stabenow and others that don't agree with my stated opinion. They avoid stating their opinion and are so slippery you cannot tell what they believe in (probably nothing).

[defender]

Any more news/ progress on these bills?

[Tallbear]

Any more news/ progress on these bills?

Nothing as yet..... If you click on the bill number in the original post it will take you to the bill and you can see the latest there.

[Pistol Teacher]

They want to change this part by deleting [Subject to section 5o and except]

But this part needs deleting also. [as otherwise provided by law,]

[Tallbear]

Contact the writer of the bill with your suggestions. You can also testify before the committee when it comes up for consideration.




They want to change this part by deleting [Subject to section 5o and except]



But this part needs deleting also. [as otherwise provided by law,]

[MP15TDriver]

What are the chances of seeing these bills make it out of committee?

[TheQ]

SB58 is seeing a new light (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=164246)

Jump on board!

https://www.facebook.com/notes/michigan-open-carry-inc/sb-863-a-slap-in-the-face-to-every-cpl-holder/10150540993921234

[45/70fan]

Keep up the pressure on the committee members, they are feeling it today.

[TheQ]

Keep up the pressure on the committee members, they are feeling it today.

I put this on the other thread to let people know that calling today isn't as useful.

But I can confirm we are being heard.

UPDATE: Let's hold off on our calls until Monday (2/6) at 8 AM. The people we are trying to reach are all out of the office on Friday (I know -- I visited their office earlier today). Let's light up the phones at 8 AM on Monday (Feb. 6) again!

[langenc]

Calls and visits when they have office hours or visit your community are BEST.

Give thenm some printed info supporting your position and it appears that asking them if 'they understand' is in order.

Emails are kinda like form letters.

[TheQ]

Calls and visits when they have office hours or visit your community are BEST.

Give thenm some printed info supporting your position and it appears that asking them if 'they understand' is in order.

Emails are kinda like form letters.

I will be testifying on Tuesday in front of the Judiciary committee. I'll also be personally visiting each committee member's office before the meeting.

[Kenbow]

I saw this bill has reached the senate.

[bpalaian]

Is there anyone who can provide any type of update on this??? :pistols:

[TheQ]

See SB59

[fbuckner]

Is this a dead issue since they thru the bone of "Tasers" out to people?

[[ion] C2]

Is this a dead issue since they thru the bone of "Tasers" out to people?
Exactly.. since now less-than-lethal devices can't even get carried in the PFZs.. why would they have any motivation to allow lethal ones in?

(I just glanced at the taser bills but pretty sure this is a restriction on them, correct if wrong.)

[zigziggityzoo]

C2']Exactly.. since now less-than-lethal devices can't even get carried in the PFZs.. why would they have any motivation to allow lethal ones in?

(I just glanced at the taser bills but pretty sure this is a restriction on them, correct if wrong.)

They're both restricted by the same law, though. So eliminating PFZs for CPL holders also eliminates PFZs for Taser carriers.

[fbuckner]

I really wish Lansing would conclude business on the table before introducing more bills and fluff legislation. This needs to be passed way ahead of these bills for hunting on a farmers land.

[mp7570]

I am not sure where the issue with carrying in what should not be a pfz is. Most who carry are responsible enough to know that their pistol is a last resort, and only to be drawn when their life is threatened and all other options have been exhausted.

[shoxroxice]

Admittedly, I don't understand the legislative process as well as I'd like to yet... but why are these still sitting in committee?

[G22]

Our republican run house, senate, and governor are spineless.

[TheQ]

Admittedly, I don't understand the legislative process as well as I'd like to yet... but why are these still sitting in committee?

There was a trade, these bills for SB 59 S-3. Many of us (MOC, MCRGO, and others) agreed to this trade.

SB 59 S-3 was to be heard by the full Senate and then pushed through the House shortly thereafter in March. We were betrayed by Richardville and the rest of the Senate Republicans (yes, I'll group them all together because they refuse to act collectively against him -- so therefore he must be upholding their will).

Certain members (who will remain nameless) of the Senate have it within their power to force a vote on this issue so we can get everyone in the Senate to play their cards. Sadly, these members are too scared to :vader: with Richardville.

[MI_XD]

Does anyone remember the number for the House versions that coincided with what SB 58 and SB 59 were doing? Also the bill to allow having your weapon in your car at work??

Bob
MI_XD
South Haven

[MI_XD]

--snip--
Certain members (who will remain nameless) of the Senate have it within their power to force a vote on this issue so we can get everyone in the Senate to play their cards. Sadly, these members are too scared to :vader: with Richardville.

Oh, come on Q, name the nameless so we can have at 'em. :poke:

[.40 Cal]

Oh, come on Q, name the nameless so we can have at 'em. :poke:

Just about anyone with "Honorable" in front of their name...:bash:

[TheQ]

Does anyone remember the number for the House versions that coincided with what SB 58 and SB 59 were doing? Also the bill to allow having your weapon in your car at work??

Bob
MI_XD
South Haven


4009 and 4010. Dead on arrival because a Democrat (a good one) introduced them.

[Tedfs]

What time next year should these bee looked at again, if ever ?

[luckless]

What time next year should these bee looked at again, if ever ?
Probably some time after there is a third political party in Lansing.

[45/70fan]

What time next year should these bee looked at again, if ever ?

When Richardville is replaced! in other words don't hold your breath until he is term limited out. So much for his being such a fine upstanding NRA, MCRGO pro gunner representing us.

[luckless]

When Richardville is replaced! in other words don't hold your breath until he is term limited out. So much for his being such a fine upstanding NRA, MCRGO pro gunner representing us.
MCRGO is a place where old politicians go to seem relevant. I have expected nothing progun from these guys since they endorsed making every CPL holders a suspect in every crime. They have lived up to my expectations. There is no reason to keep your fingerprints in AFIS unless you are a suspect.

[TheQ]

When Richardville is replaced! in other words don't hold your breath until he is term limited out. So much for his being such a fine upstanding NRA, MCRGO pro gunner representing us.


A+, so he tells me...

[detroit_fan]

When Richardville is replaced! in other words don't hold your breath until he is term limited out. So much for his being such a fine upstanding NRA, MCRGO pro gunner representing us.
Randy is already term limited

[45/70fan]

Randy is already term limited

But he can still be replaced as the senate majority leader.
I'm surprised he let it be voted on today and had nothing to say one way or another concerning this bill.

[detroit_fan]

But he can still be replaced as the senate majority leader.
I'm surprised he let it be voted on today and had nothing to say one way or another concerning this bill.
yes but they will never replace him.

so randy was completely neutral on this today?

[45/70fan]

yes but they will never replace him.

so randy was completely neutral on this today?

That is what I was told by an individual that was there and involved in the entire process.

[cedartop]

A couple of days ago, my local radio station reported this passed. Is that not the case ?

[TheQ]

A couple of days ago, my local radio station reported this passed. Is that not the case ?

SB 59 passed. See the other thread on SB 59. Ignore the first 100 pages and start around page 100 :)

[45/70fan]

SB 59 passed. See the other thread on SB 59. Ignore the first 100 pages and start around page 100 :)

SB 59 passin the the Senate it's over in the House now for a vote as soon as it is released from committee.

[detroit_fan]

SB 59 passin the the Senate it's over in the House now for a vote as soon as it is released from committee.
still sticking to your prediction that it will pass today?

[DP425]

still sticking to your prediction that it will pass today?


Yeah clock is really winding down on this one

[cedartop]

Thanks for the replies. It looks like I have a lot of reading to do to catch up on this and the "definition of a pistol" deal.

[Glockman23]

So apparently this passed... anyone got the logistics on it?

[xmanhockey7]

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billanalysis/House/pdf/2011-HLA-0059-CE642B4B.pdf

[sasha601]

SB59 passed and now on Governor's desk. It will allow to get exemption from PFZs with extra training. It is a not sure thing that Snyder will sign it. Hopefully he will.

[durus5995]

So apparently this passed... anyone got the logistics on it?

This bill did not pass. However, removal of PFZs got tacked on a different bill that did pass and is waiting to be signed by the governor. Check out the SB-59 discussion.

[Glockman23]

Thanks, I will.

[sasha601]

This bill did not pass. However, removal of PFZs got tacked on a different bill that did pass and is waiting to be signed by the governor. Check out the SB-59 discussion.
I do not mean to be a neat picky, but SB59 does not eliminate PFZs. It allows people to get an exemption from PFZs with additional training. So, if someone does not want to be exempt (may be because of costs, etc.) then this person would still will not be allowed to carry concealed in PFZs.

[Clipper]

Yeah, but he also can't OC any more in a PFZ. This bill sucks.

[durus5995]

I do not mean to be a neat picky, but SB59 does not eliminate PFZs. It allows people to get an exemption from PFZs with additional training. So, if someone does not want to be exempt (may be because of costs, etc.) then this person would still will not be allowed to carry concealed in PFZs.

Good point thanks for the correction.

[Ther_Richardson]

It is mor important than ever to ler Mr. Snyder know that he needs to support this bill not veto it. you can express this to his office directly at the following address
https://somgovweb.state.mi.us/GovRelations/ShareOpinion.aspx

[UPpatriot]

Better yet call his office at (517) 373-3400.

edit: just tried again myself, went to his mailbox which is full. Keep trying

[Roundballer]

These two Bills, the ones that this thread is about are dead in committee.
They never went anywhere.
2011-SB-0057 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-SB-0057) 2011-SB-0058 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-SB-0058)
The Bill the Snyder has on his desk is SB 059.

Someone needs to lock this thread

[countryboy0911]

Gov Snyder decided to be a chicken **** and veto sb 59 preventing law abiding citizens not to be allowed to defend selves and family in pfz

[longshotbml]

So Predictable. I light of the shooting in CT politicians and the general public can not see the difference between the good guys and the bad guys. the knee jerk respoonse that all guns are bad is overwhelming. I bet if you took a poll most people would want to ban police officers from GFZ. The public at large still doesn't understand EVIL does not follow rules and to be prepared is the only honest response. The govenor caved and be ready for the call to repeal the current CPL legislation.