Suppressors now permitted per the MI Attorney General!

[CnA]

Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette today issued a formal Attorney General Opinion stating that State law allows the use of noise suppressors by private citizens when authorized by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164--261765--,00.html

[rjrivero]

http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164--261765--,00.html
Congrats guys! That's DAMN GOOD NEWS!

When's the suppressor shoot in the pit to celelbrate? I'll bring MINE!!?!??

[ILoveMyGlock]

YES!!!!! What are the steps to getting them now!??!?!? :D :D :D :D

Edit: Someone's getting a Silencer co. Osprey :D

http://www.silencerco.com/downloads/Silencerco-Catalog-2011.pdf#zoom=100

[mikee1973]

Awesome! How does one go about getting approval from the ATF to get one?

[rjrivero]

Awesome! How does one go about getting approval from the ATF to get one?
I'll be happy to write a tutoral on how to fill out your 5320.4.

Essentially you go to a class III dealer, buy one, and they'll fill the forms out for you.

You take the forms to your CLEO in your county and have them sign off on it.

Then you take your forms, Fingerprint Cards and Passport sized photos and your check for $200 and mail it to the ATF and wait for 4 months for them to approve it.

It gets mailed back to your Class III and you go pick up your new suppressor.

There are differences by doing a trust/LLC. You don't need fingerprint cards or CLEO sign off.

[skruske]

Thank you to all those who have worked the phones and twisted arms for years to get this done.

[halka]

So what threaded barrel is good for an M&P 9mm?

[rjrivero]

So what threaded barrel is good for an M&P 9mm?
What's wrong with a stock barrel? Turned down, threaded and an adapter. You could take off the adapter and then thread on a thread protector without altering the appearance of the gun. ;)

This page, toward the bottom. http://www.adcofirearms.com/shopservices/shop_.cfm?code=1

Otherwise, I think STORM LAKE is the manufacturer of threaded M&P Barrels.

[mini4m3]

Nagant Revolver silencer here I come!

[esq_stu]

Also posted in Legal Beagle.

[macman37]

Wow! Great news!

[7of9]

Thank you to all those who have worked the phones and twisted arms for years to get this done.


^ This.


Now I think I'll go to my beechy neighbors and take up a collection.

:woohoo1: :woohoo1:

[Newtothegame]

This is great. I had my doubts but I was wrong guess I need a gun to supress now

[peppy62979]

So when is the group buy?

[mikee1973]

So when is the group buy?
+1

anyone in the Shelby Township area have the Chief of Police sign off on the forms for an NFA? I heard they are pretty anti. Would love to get one but not getting my hopes up if they wont sign off on the paperwork.

[Quantum007]

Can NOT WAIT!!!

[Tom Fineis]

Good news. So now we move forward with SBR/SBS's.

[7of9]

I'll be happy to write a tutoral on how to fill out your 5320.4.

Essentially you go to a class III dealer, buy one, and they'll fill the forms out for you.

You take the forms to your CLEO in your county and have them sign off on it.

Then you take your forms, Fingerprint Cards and Passport sized photos and your check for $200 and mail it to the ATF and wait for 4 months for them to approve it.

It gets mailed back to your Class III and you go pick up your new suppressor.

There are differences by doing a trust/LLC. You don't need fingerprint cards or CLEO sign off.

'splain please. Trust as in revocable living trust? What about a S corporation?

[CnA]

Now I'm looking for some good plans to make my own. Still will have to pay the $200 fee though.

[M&P .40]

woot!

Does this mean that the gamo whisper is now legal or do you still have to go through the AFT and get a license?

[peppy62979]

Good news. So now we move forward with SBR/SBS's.


I'm with you on this one!

[esq_stu]

'splain please. Trust as in revocable living trust? What about a S corporation?Any legal entity can own property. A corporation, LLC, a trust, etc. Only when an individual person owns an NFA weapon must the police chief approve AFAIK. I would get the advice of someone that has set them up for NFA items. I think Dean Greenblatt has done some.

[noob5,000,000]

Outstanding! :multi:

[swaker3333]

This is awesome news!:ukliam2:

[EricF517]

Well I already have the two I need picked out. Best part is my wife is on board with getting this done. So I guess here goes some dough!

Looks like it is time to take the R7005r to the smith and get it chopped to 20 and threaded.

[ILoveMyGlock]

Are their any in the area to order from? Can it be any FFL or do they have to be class III?

Silcencer Co. Osprey - $850

ATF Extortion Stamp - $200

Threaded Barrel .40 S&W - $130


$1180 + tax and dealer fees?

Worth it, but I can kiss my new 1911 goodbye!

[7of9]

Any legal entity can own property. A corporation, LLC, a trust, etc. Only when an individual person owns an NFA weapon must the police chief approve AFAIK. I would get the advice of someone that has set them up for NFA items. I think Dean Greenblatt has done some.

Thanks, Stu. If an existing entity can be used, it makes sense not to have to pay additional fees, etc.

[rjrivero]

Are their any in the area to order from? Can it be any FFL or do they have to be class III?

Silcencer Co. Osprey - $850

ATF Extortion Stamp - $200

Threaded Barrel .40 S&W - $130


$1180 + tax and dealer fees?

Worth it, but I can kiss my new 1911 goodbye!
It must be a class 3 Special Occupational Tax FFL holder.

I know of one in Dexter, MI who is a member of this forum. I just got his permission to post up his info:

Deuce Firearms

Email deucefirearms@charter.net

He doesn't have any suppressors in stock yet, but if you guys are eager for the Osprey's I'm sure we can get him some. ;)

Oh, and PLEASE stop posting total prices. You'll depress me on how much $$ I've blown on my meager suppressor collection.

[rjrivero]

'splain please. Trust as in revocable living trust? What about a S corporation?

Any legal entity can own property. A corporation, LLC, a trust, etc. Only when an individual person owns an NFA weapon must the police chief approve AFAIK. I would get the advice of someone that has set them up for NFA items. I think Dean Greenblatt has done some.
Exactly correct. Any entity can own them. The benefit of going with a LLC/TRUST/CORP is that you don't need Fingerprint cards, Photos, or CLEO sign off.

[ILoveMyGlock]

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SWEET!

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Not only do they make excellent products, they are great people as well! Sent them an email today regarding the legality of MI supressors and they sent me a message back along the lines of "Welcome to free America!" :-)

[rabbivj]

'splain please. Trust as in revocable living trust? What about a S corporation?

yes as in living trust...thats how most ppl down here in Georgia do em since FSCO and DCSO are Morons and wont sign off on the Form 4...Tho Cobb and Gwinnett will sign off on em...as Im in Fulton County, im screwed and have to go the trust route...

[Remasculated]

Any legal entity can own property. A corporation, LLC, a trust, etc. Only when an individual person owns an NFA weapon must the police chief approve AFAIK. I would get the advice of someone that has set them up for NFA items. I think Dean Greenblatt has done some.

This seems to be the way to go in my mind because that whole "constructive possession" thing is worrisome to me. A quick Google search seems to indicate that there is no definitive case law that would dissuade an over-zealous prosecutor from pursing such a thing.

My wife and I are both officers of a P.C. (and its only employees). We also both have revocable trusts. So, the only question is which entity would be best suited to own the can.

Time to call our estates and trusts shyster, I guess.

[Eggroid]

With all the paperwork and cost, it'll likely be a long time before I actually get a suppressor. But I'm still grinning. How many days go by where you actually get a little bit more free?

[mini4m3]

With all the paperwork and cost, it'll likely be a long time before I actually get a suppressor. But I'm still grinning. How many days go by where you actually get a little bit more free?

Whether you ever buy or even shoot a suppressed weapon or not, today was a win for the right team.

[Heavy Guns]

Whether you ever buy or even shoot a suppressed weapon or not, today was a win for the right team.

:yeahthat:

I'm too busy funneling money into a new AR to even think of dropping another grand on a can but it's a win for all of us.

[BlueWing]

You need to know that if you get a 30 cal. Supressor it WILL work just fine on a 22 cal. Gun. That way you can MOVE it from gun to gun. Then if you get quick disconnect collars for each weapon you want to use it on. You can change it with the flick of your wrist. No sense having to buy 2 or 3 supressor & $200 fee for each one when buying one good one will do the job.

[M&P .40]

woot!

Does this mean that the gamo whisper is now legal or do you still have to go through the AFT and get a license?


Yeah, I am quoting myself...

Anyone got an answer?

[Buffman]

SO is there anything essentially different about setting up a trust vs a LLC or a Corporation in order to procure the supressor other than the different costs to set one of them up?

[rjrivero]

SO is there anything essentially different about setting up a trust vs a LLC or a Corporation in order to procure the supressor other than the different costs to set one of them up?
A firearms trust has a couple minor requirements vs non firearms trusts (So I'm told) as for LLC or Corps, depending on what it costs per year to keep one maintained in MI, it may be cheaper in the long run to go with a Trust.

For instance, in Ohio, there is a one time filing fee of $125. Takes 5 days for the LLC paperwork to get scanned into the database, then you have your certificate of incorporation. That's all you need to get your Title 3 toys along with your Form 4 (or 1 if you're making it) and your check for $200.

[libertylover]

FNP 45 Tactical in flat dark earth with matching osprey here I come.

[Buffman]

FNP 45 Tactical in flat dark earth with matching osprey here I come.

Yes :)http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/126/l_a8a158c51c70486f9659968cb65c2834.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/cpd221/Photo1FNP45withOsprey.jpg


Not mine, but I plan on getting an Osprey for mine :)

[Garymac]

A firearms trust has a couple minor requirements vs non firearms trusts (So I'm told) as for LLC or Corps, depending on what it costs per year to keep one maintained in MI, it may be cheaper in the long run to go with a Trust.

For instance, in Ohio, there is a one time filing fee of $125. Takes 5 days for the LLC paperwork to get scanned into the database, then you have your certificate of incorporation. That's all you need to get your Title 3 toys along with your Form 4 (or 1 if you're making it) and your check for $200.

An LLC in Michigan cost $50 to file. Cost is $25/year for annual filing fee. You can get the forms online. Easy to do, you don't need a lawyer. You probably want to get DBA (doing business as) through your county to register your LLC/business name. Cost is usually about $10/3 years (if I recall). You may also want to get a federal tax ID number to tax purposes and open a separate bank/checking account for your LLC dealings.