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Knimrod
05-08-2006, 10:39 PM
Women killed after futile call for help
May 7, 2006
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LAPORTE, Ind. — A woman called 911 and pleaded futilely for a police escort an hour before her enraged husband shot her and her mother dead, a transcript of the emergency call revealed.

Tonya Goble, 24, and her mother, Vicki Dewey, 52, were shot dead April 28 at the Dewey home in Chikaming Township, Mich., about 15 miles north of LaPorte. Goble had been living with her mother and stepfather to escape a violent relationship with her husband, Gary Studer, 31, of LaPorte, who now faces two counts of first-degree premeditated murder.

A 911 tape released Friday reveals Goble called 911 from Renaissance Academy, a private school across from the Studer home in northern LaPorte County, to say she feared her husband would kill her.

“He told me this morning that he would kill me if I ever tried to leave,” she told the dispatcher during the 911 call. “He’s got guns in the house, and I am scared.”

A dispatcher, whose name was not released, told Studer she could not sent an officer unless there was an “immediate threat.”

“Ma’am, the officer cannot stand there and just wait just in case your husband comes back,” the female dispatcher told her.

LaPorte County Sheriff Jim Arnold has said none of his deputies were dispatched to the school.

Director Brent Soller of LaPorte County 911 said the dispatcher was following policy. He released a September 2005 memo instructing dispatchers not to send officers when abuse victims requested escorts to retrieve belongings from their homes.

LaPorte County officials changed that policy Friday, issuing a memo saying officers will respond to all requests for help.

Soller initially had said last week that he reviewed the 911 audiotape from the day of the shootings and found no evidence of Goble’s call. The tape of her call was found Wednesday after Soller realized he’d been given the wrong time for the call, placed at 1:30 p.m. on April 28, an hour before the woman and her mother were shot.

Goble and her 3-year-old and infant sons had moved in with the Deweys earlier this year, neighbors said. She moved back in with Studer on the Monday before the shootings, according to Becki Studer, Gary Studer’s stepmother.

On the day of the shootings, Goble and Gary Studer were at home drinking when Dewey arrived and persuaded Studer to accompany her to a store. It was then that Goble ran across the street and made the 911 call, Becki Studer said.

When no police arrived, a friend came and picked up Goble and the children. Studer, who had suffered a severe brain injury in a 1998 car crash, became enraged when he found the children gone, Becki Studer said.

Studer later was spotted by police leaving the Dewey home covered in blood and in the company of his two children, and police found the bodies of his wife and mother-in-law inside.

Studer faces two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of felony murder, and single charges of home invasion and a firearms violation. He remains lodged in the Berrien County Jail on a $4 million bond.

Link to story (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060507/LOCAL/60507004)

TireFryer
05-09-2006, 05:57 AM
This is outrageous! Isn't the police mantra "to serve and protect", especially those not capable of defending themselves?!

fbuckner
05-09-2006, 07:36 AM
"Protect and Serve"
now days because everything is so policy ridden even that is a farce.
Realisticly they cannot be everywhere to protedt everyone.
Around here the most use the county cars get is to serve yea serve court paperwork or summons. This is trully a shame

taurus92
05-09-2006, 11:37 AM
What a shame but no suprise.

I cant even get the local cop shop to write a report or even issue a simple report number.

Have had numerouse harrasing phone calls and they refuse to even document if I call them.

Had the phone company put a trp on the line and reported each day to them. They need a report number to send the info to the local cops. They will not issue a number so I can't even do that. Oh well when something bigger happes I guess I can sue them and the city.

Done Deal
05-09-2006, 03:28 PM
With all the serving that cops gotta do, ya can't hardly expect them to be protecting specifically. That would require a guard and....

Why the police keep getting accused of not doing their jobs on stuff like this is beyond me but...it always seems to sell papers.

taurus92
05-09-2006, 04:30 PM
With all the serving that cops gotta do, ya can't hardly expect them to be protecting specifically. That would require a guard and....

Why the police keep getting accused of not doing their jobs on stuff like this is beyond me but...it always seems to sell papers.

Simple call 911 no one ever shows up. Easy to accuse. Easy to see. 9-1-1 or for that matter going to the cop shop will not do you any good at all.

Tank
05-09-2006, 04:57 PM
With all the serving that cops gotta do, ya can't hardly expect them to be protecting specifically. That would require a guard and....

Why the police keep getting accused of not doing their jobs on stuff like this is beyond me but...it always seems to sell papers.

"A dispatcher, whose name was not released, told Studer she could not sent an officer unless there was an “immediate threat.”
......

LaPorte County Sheriff Jim Arnold has said none of his deputies were dispatched to the school.

Director Brent Soller of LaPorte County 911 said the dispatcher was following policy. He released a September 2005 memo instructing dispatchers not to send officers when abuse victims requested escorts to retrieve belongings from their homes."

KEY BEING... ABUSE VICTIMS!!!! omg... yup.. You've been beaten within an inch of your life before, he's been certified a lunatic and psycho, but it's not our responsibility to keep you safe. Rest assured ma'am we'll be there to mop up the buckets of your blood AFTER the fact, but we can't be there to prevent anything. Don't be such a scaredy cat and go face your abuser again.... don't worry we'll be along shortly.

BUT... if this woman would've protected herself... they'd be there in 2 shakes of a powdered donut to arrest her and take her to jail!! Where's the department policies giving law abiding citizens rights???

B**L S**T!

don't get me wrong.. I am not bashing cops (ok, one snide comment), but more the politics that they're tied up with....

Sorry.. rant over.. this just pi$$ed me off.

Divegeek
05-09-2006, 06:22 PM
Sounds like people need to read "Dial 911 and Die" by Richard W. Stevens. It is available from www.jpfo.org. Basically boils down to the fact that the police do NOT have any duty to protect you.

Check out Zavala v. Zinser, 333 N.W.2d 278. The situation was that two Detroit police officers sat in a marked car and watched a brawl break out in the parking lot of a bar. They called for back up, but sat and watched otherwise. They never drove closer, they never sounded the siren or turned on the lights. In the meantime someone in the fight pulled a gun and shot someone. The fight immediately broke up. In the legal aftermath the courts ruled that the individual officers, the city, and the police department were immune from liability thanks to MCL 691.1401.

bpbolde
05-11-2006, 12:35 AM
911: Government sponsored dial-a-prayer. This is just like the case a couple months ago about the kid from Detroit calling because his mom collapsed. The dispatcher treated it like a prank call and told the child to get the adult. He replied she couldn't come, and the dispatcher still did nothing. The boy is now motherless because the people we pay to protect and help us failed at their job again. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't understand what part of “He told me this morning that he would kill me if I ever tried to leave,” she told the dispatcher during the 911 call. “He’s got guns in the house, and I am scared.” does not constitute an "immediate threat."

Becki Studer
11-21-2006, 06:18 PM
I am Gary Wayne Studer's stepmother, and I feel all of you with such critical remarks should become aware of certain details. That way, you will make informed remarks.
I know Buster, that is what we call him because my husband has the same name, and he is not a psycho, as you put it. He does have brain injury, and his wife was a paid caregiver by his insurance company. She was paid to tell him when to take his medicine, eat, shower, and other daily activities because he could not manage this on his own due to his injury. There is extensive medical documentation as to the extent of his injury. Did you notice that there is an injury?
Now, I know Tonya and Vicki, also. Vicki drank all the time, and Tonya was extremely manipulative and trouble because of that. When she decided to leave Buster for another man, whom she actually moved into the house with her, Buster and the kids, she manipulated as she always did. Consequently, that is why the police would not come out. She abused the privelage of being able to contact them in an emergency because of her, you got it, manipulations!
Let me ask you this; what kind of paid caregiver pumps the subject she is to care for with massive amounts of alcohol? If you feed a nice dog gun powder, will it not make him go out of control? You guys should understand that.
The bottom line here is that he was provoked for a long time, and she stabbed him before he actually went out to get his gun. What would you do in that situation? If you were him, what would you have done?

One of Many
11-21-2006, 10:04 PM
Seems like the family of the criminal always blames the violence on the victim.

If you (as a close relative) knew this mentally disturbed man was being manipulated, by medication tampering via means of alcohol, why did you do nothing to keep him safe from his victim? In his condition, he should not have access to firearms - did you do anything to prevent his access to them? He should have been in a mental health institution, getting treatment, after which he might have been released into society a healed person; now he will be kept in another type of institution, where he will probably not get the help he needs, and will not be allowed to mix in polite society ever again.

Now his children will remember their father as the man that killed their mother. They will never get to see him again, if they even want to. He will never get to hug the kids that he didn't want to lose. There is no winner in this situation, just losers all around. I wonder if some family member couldn't have prevented this tragedy.

RSF
11-21-2006, 10:30 PM
She was paid to tell him when to take his medicine, eat, shower, and other daily activities because he could not manage this on his own due to his injury. There is extensive medical documentation as to the extent of his injury. Did you notice that there is an injury?

excuse number 1 what did you do to help with this since you knew there was an issue

Now, I know Tonya and Vicki, also. Vicki drank all the time, and Tonya was extremely manipulative and trouble because of that. When she decided to leave Buster for another man, whom she actually moved into the house with her, Buster and the kids, she manipulated as she always did. Consequently, that is why the police would not come out. She abused the privelage of being able to contact them in an emergency because of her, you got it, manipulations!

More excuses, again what did you do to help with that issue being the mother.


The bottom line here is that he was provoked for a long time,
again what did you do to help that issue?

and she stabbed him before he actually went out to get his gun.
so was she physically attacked by him, then in her defense she stabbed him? or was this long beofre the shootings?

also he had his gun with him sounds like he was looking to use it to me. i doubt the had a carry permit....... as well.... and why as his know relative if he had mental issues and drinking and medication did you not take control of his guns!

What would you do in that situation? If you were him, what would you have done?

the real answer is what should you have done! you had prior know;ledge of all these things and his gun s and his medications and drinking yet its her fault...... yet he can drive walk and talk i gather yet you make him to be a helpless little child! you should have goptten involved and asked for help or helped..... you are just as guilty in those killings your hands are just as dirty as your hunk of garbage low life kid is and he should be strung up, and chisle plowed into next years crops! and you should feel more for the children than your murder son.



have a nice day

Scoop
11-21-2006, 11:05 PM
This is outrageous! Isn't the police mantra "to serve and protect", especially those not capable of defending themselves?!You must be confused, TireFryer. Police have NO substantive constitutional duty to protect an individual from harm.

The police have a duty to protect society as a whole, but not an individual.

The SCOTUS has ruled on this and upheld it various times.

The job of the police is to enforce the law (hence, law enforcement), not personal protection. For the latter, you need to (a) protect yourself or (b) hire a bodyguard.

Scoop
11-21-2006, 11:14 PM
I am Gary Wayne Studer's stepmother, and I feel all of you with such critical remarks should become aware of certain details.
Here's are certain critical detail to be aware of yourself:

Gary Wayne Studer CHOSE to murder two people. Nobody "made him do it". People can not MAKE you do something. You CHOOSE to REACT.


The bottom line here is that he was provoked for a long time, and she stabbed him before he actually went out to get his gun. What would you do in that situation? If you were him, what would you have done?If someone would have stabbed me and I was able to GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING, I would have chosen to go out and CONTACT THE POLICE instead of GETTING MY GUN AND MURDERING TWO PEOPLE.

Does THAT answer your question, Mrs. Becki Studer?

Scoop
11-21-2006, 11:18 PM
I wonder if some family member couldn't have prevented this tragedy.Good question.

Too bad there wasn't a family member who was well-aware of the entire history of Mr. Studer that could have stepped in and, perhaps, made a difference ... :roll:

RSF
11-22-2006, 09:04 AM
What you mean she could have done something................... Tell me it isnt so .

Leader
11-22-2006, 11:48 AM
Just some random thoughts here......

If I had a gun at a knife fight, I would probably use it.

If someone was stabbing me & I had a gun.... I would probably use it.

If someone had guns & told me they were going to kill me if I did something..... I don't think I would stab them.

With a history of mental problems, he can't own a gun. How is he supposed to protect himself from a woman that stabs him ? Calling the police isn't an option it seems. At least until AFTER he might be dead.

The phrase "shell not be infringed" keeps popping into my head.

Becki Studer
11-22-2006, 07:17 PM
I am overlooking all of the personal slams shot at me, as I understand that they are made in ignorance. You know nothing of me or the unenviable position in which I find myself. I am the STEPMOTHER, and I was always kept at bay by MOTHER. You seem to think that I could just walk in and take over the life of a 30 year old man and his family. I have been an observer more than a participator. Up until the last few weeks before this happened, I wasn't really around to see the lifestyle they chose to live. I have only been with his father for about 9 years and married him in 2003. I am a cancer survivor. I fought for my life from 2002-2005. I had chronic pain and was heavily medicated, I was supposed to die. I would see them when the oldest baby would come to stay with us (My husband and my son took care of him and I enjoyed his company. He is a goodly baby.), or family functions. I was not in any shape to fight what was going on between those two.
You accuse me of making Buster seem like a poor little baby, but I say you are trying to make Tonya out to be the poor innocent victim. I never saw him hit her, but I watched her go after him quite a few times. I used to watch that woman pick up that pitbull dog they had and throw it across the room. Two days before this tragedy, I watched her take the oldest child by the waste of his pants, hang him upside down and whip his little bare bottom as it slipped from his pants. She was laughing. Why didn't I do anything? I DID!
In the weeks leading up to this, I had the liberty of being in that house, trying to help Buster. When he summoned me for my help, I went in and started cleaning that house. It was horrific. I didn't know what happened to get it that way, I just was trying to make it healthy for Buster and the oldest son. He asked me to come and help him take care of him. I told him that if I saw anything, I would be gone. He was responding to my help. I was making three squares a day and cleaning while helping him sort out his thoughts. His sister was signing him up for a rehabilitation program. He confessed the drug abuse that had been going on in the house, and that he was concerned because Tonya was addicted to the crack. He produced proof that she had altered the quantity on a prescription and had it filled. I called the pharmacy in Michigan City to report the forgery hoping to get her in a position where she would have to get help AFTER I tried calling the child protective services of the LaPorte County and found no help AFTER I tried talking to the police about the forgery with no help found. I called the police after I found that the pharmacy had contacted them, and I spoke with a few different officers, explaining ALL of the details in their family including the drug abuse, and they informed me that they could not discuss it with me. I was not directly involved in the investigation. The evidence I had in my possession was never asked for. She was never arrested for the forgery. I had spoken to everyone I could think of to call, and they all told me that they could do nothing for me. The one police officer advised me to get an attorney. I could not afford an attorney. Who was I going to call? People have told me that I had a legal right to take the child, but as an observer, would you have just taken a baby from the parents? I really had no legal right.
Here's a good one for ya. In the state of Indiana, a person with a brain injury can't legally possess a firearm. The SWAT team was in his front yard more than once because Tonya had called them reporting that he had guns in the house and would use them, one of her tactics. They didn't confiscate his weapons then either, and you want to tell me that I have their blood on my hands?
I wasn't close to them. I just loved them. I witnessed certain things, but in my world, those issues aren't common place. They kept it at a moderate pace and as it increased, I just stayed away offended. When I did go back, Buster was ready to listen to the stance I have as a person. He was responding. Tonya knew that I would be trying to protect him. She moved back in to get me out of there, and she did. I cooked dinner for them on Tuesday night and they started drinking real heavy. I love how so many people seem to think that there was something that I could have done. I had tried to talk to so many people including them, and did not have one positive response. I got disgusted and left. I went back Wednesday night after working in South Bend. They were still drinking, and Tonya was being very beligerant. It scared me, so I left. Who was I going to call? I had called them all. Buster had made reports; Tonya had made reports. Buster wanted her back. She wanted to come back. His mother was pushing me out, also. Just because I loved them doesn't mean that they loved me.
This was a fight. They fought each other for a long time. She was just as vicious and abusive. It spilled over into my world a few times and left a sour taste in my mouth, but I just stayed away. I was brought into their fight in the end. I tried to help in every way I could think to do. If that wasn't good enough, I am sorry. I think you all are blaming out of not knowing the so many details leading to such a sad state of affairs. I see hatred in your statements, and I am tired of hatred. I loved them all. We loved them all, but that doesn't change the kind of people they were. I am not like that. I could not fathom this happening, and I lost my oldest brother in very similar circumstances 13 years ago. Where were people like you then because she didn't do a day in jail. They called it battered wife syndrome. They, too, were very volatile and violent because of drugs and alcohol. Is it that you feel females can do whatever they want and there should be no consequences? To me, after all that I witnessed going on between them, to say that Buster should be in prison for the rest of his life is like saying that Tonya and Vicki deserved to die. If Tonya was a victim, then Buster is, also.
See, there is a lot you don't know, so your malicious comments are just that. I am sorry I have ever even attempted to explain anything because you all come out in numbers with your preconceived notions and uninformed hypothesis. There is even more than this that would change your minds if you were in my position. Those kids weren't all bad, they just got in way over their heads. I wish I had been able to pull them out. It wasn't for lack of trying that I wasn't successful. I know that in my heart, so all I can do now is forgive some more.

RSF
11-22-2006, 08:06 PM
Sniff i weep for you .....didnt i see this on springer once oh well fact remains

people are dead.at your step sons hands and now mother/fatherless children

and he will most likely end up in prison for along time.........

oh well back to deer season........... good luck

One of Many
11-22-2006, 08:26 PM
With the added information you provided, it appears that you did all that you could do. What did the other family members (father, mother, siblings) do? You have experienced quite a bit of tragedy in your family, caused by your relatives choosing to abuse alcohol and illegal drugs; I sympathize with you.

Did anyone involve the child protective services? They can sometimes get things accomplished, that the police can not do. It is easier to investigate alleged child abuse than some other charges involving drugs and guns, since teachers and doctors must report situations where children are at risk. His children were definately at risk, according to what you have reported, from both parents.

I am surprised that the police would ignore reports of a mentally unstable person possessing firearms. Perhaps the credibility of the persons reporting that to the police was suspect. Did the police ever actually see the firearms in his possession, prior to his using them to murder the wife and mother in law?

RSF
11-22-2006, 08:43 PM
The issue here is this! not a one of us KNOW THE TRUTH cause we dont live in that family period

One of Many
11-22-2006, 10:00 PM
RSF - are you telling us that Becki Studer is not a member of that family, and is just telling us lies for fun? How would you know that the person posting those messages is not who they claim to be? How do you know what the truth is, in order to say that none of the postings have been truthful?

To this point in this thread, your postings have been less than informative on the matter. Perhaps you would share some of your personal knowledge of this incident, so that the rest of us can be just as informed as you are.

Snide, rude, arrogant and compassionless drivel does nothing to enlighten the remaining posters that are observing this thread.

RSF
11-22-2006, 10:43 PM
Again As I Said We Really Dont Know What Happened Cause We Werent There Re Read It I Never Said She Wasnt............. I Said We Arent In That Family We Dont Live There And We Will Never Know.....

How Many Times Have You Heard The Classic Lines From A Family Of The Accused On Tv.......... This Person Was This Or That A Good Person He/she Would Never Do This Or This Is Why Or That Is Why As Any Police Officer Attny Prosecutor How Many Times They Have Heard The Story..........

What Iam Saying Is This!

1 We Arent Privy To The Inside Of What Went On Other Than One Point Here! What If We Had The Other Familes Here? What Story Would The Victims Familes Gives To Us........... Well Answer That Sorry One Of Many, Heard The Song And Dance One To Many Times In Life !

And The Bottom Line Is This There Dead He Is Going Away Most Likely And The Kids Will Be In The System And Messed For Life.

Get That Point........ Again What Would The Other Familes Say Of The Killer And Victims.....

Just Likek Others The Famlies Always Say This Or That Or Shift Blame Etc.. Its A Natural Thing To Do To Defend Those Accused Even If Wrong Or Not

As For The Rest Drivel Oh Well I Call It As I See It There Are 6sides To The Story

Hers
His
Theres
News
Courts
Gods

You Think What You Want

But Again There Are Other Sides To The Story And They Will All Tell There Side........

My Personal Side Is This The Only Ones I Feel For Is The Children Period There The Only Inocent Ones In The Hole Thing Period.

One of Many
11-23-2006, 09:16 AM
RSF - your last posting is even less intelligible than your usual posting. I suggest that you edit it, and use standard spelling, grammar and capitalization rules.

The way you have stated your opinion, it almost sounds like you think no one should express an opinion unless everyone expresses an opinion (don't believe one family member posting, unless all family members post).

I am aware that the families of most people that are arrested for violent crime, claim that the person that committed the violence was a victim of some sort, and should be excused for his crime. That was the first sentence of my original posting in this thread.

Perhaps you were overly tired when you made that last post, considerng the late hour. Hopefully, a good nights sleep will clear your head, and we can make better sense of your next posting.

Garbo
11-23-2006, 09:45 AM
If all that Becki stated is true it sounds like an insanity defense or something along the lines making him not responsable for his actions at the time is likely to be used. My question, and its a question I've always pondered is,, what do you do with a person in that circumstance or any that are judged insane. Sane or not they have proven that if the right buttons are pushed they are capeable of being a great threat. Should the punishment be any more or less based on defense? I have no knowledge of the stats regarding repeat offenders that get a reduced sentance based on an insane plea after serving say 6 month to a year in a mental inst. as opposed to 20. But I assume it could be high. Or do these mental houses do the trick. Again I have no idea on that but I would be interested to find out.

Roger Roney
11-23-2006, 11:20 AM
RSF - your last posting is even less intelligible than your usual posting. I suggest that you edit it, and use standard spelling, grammar and capitalization rules.I suggest you back off. Steve is a great guy and speaks his mind, even if he isn't the best on a keyboard. Just do what the rest of us have done and learn the second language of SteveEnglish. :lol:

Roger

RSF
11-23-2006, 12:08 PM
THANKS ROGER,

Here it is in plain english for you...........
You will not get the whole story or the whole truth from one side of the family period!

simple facts are this there are two people dead
a thrid going to prison (maybe) and 2 kids that are now without families what is hard to understand about that.


then again why bother they arent paying my bills and arent related so who cares, again though the only real sad part are the kids involved/

Now i have a deer to tend too......... thanksgiving day backstraps
long hours yah if you only Knew........

Becki Studer
11-23-2006, 06:26 PM
My brother's wife, as I said, did not one day in jail. The judge stated that it would be a shame for the children, my niece and nephew, to lose both of their parents. I see them now, and I know that he was right. They have grown up to be well behaved, secure adults despite the fact that mommy shot daddy with a 12-guage at close range in front of them. I saw that their mother learned from the serious mistake that she made while impaired by the drugs and alcohol. To my knowledge, she straightened right up after such a troubling error she made. She did love my brother. His kids think of him in fond ways and miss him.
I don't know what to say about what should happen now. LIke I said, to say that an entire family should be disbanded because of a domestic fight reaching to this extent is just two wrongs that won't make it right. My experiences have taught me that life does go on and people learn from their mistakes.
I am glad to see that a few comments about FACTS have opened a few eyes. I have said nothing here that I would be afraid to say under oath. I am a student of the Scriptures, and I thrive on truth. Believe it or not, there are those of us who see that lies do no one any good. I am sorry that some have lost their faith in others so much so that they think everyone is a liar. I have no reason to lie.

One of Many
11-23-2006, 06:57 PM
Roger Roney - RSF may be a great guy in your opinion, but from the postings he has made in this thread, I do not agree - he seems to be trying to dissuade other people from speaking their mind, and appears to mock and ridicule people that disagree with his opinion that Becki Studer should not have posted in this thread.

It is not his skill in typing that I have issue with - it is the lack of coherency in his expressed thoughts, and his callous attitude. Rather than "Just do what the rest of us have done and learn the second language of SteveEnglish", it would be better that RSF learn to think before typing.

The simple facts were posted at the beginning of this thread, and have not changed - Becki Studer tried to add a different perspective, and even responded to what she perceived as personal attacks with more inside information, to which RSF has chosen to respond even more obnoxiously.

Those of us still reading this thread would like to know more facts, from as many sources/perspectives as possible. There is no benefit to be gained by repeatedly saying that we have only heard one side of the story, and because of that we should not believe what we have heard. Becki Studer showed more class by responding with additional info after being "slammed", than RSF has shown by insinuating that she is not telling the truth.

We will be more likely to learn the truth, by allowing different sources to provide information, than by trying to limit the voices of those that disagree with RSF.

One of Many
11-23-2006, 07:31 PM
Alcoholism and drug addiction is a great trajedy for everyone trapped by its influence. I had one set of grandparents killed by a drunken driver who hit their car head on when I was thirteen, and it severely affected the emotional well being of many in my family. The drunken driver was acquited of manslaughter because he had a history of epilepsy, and it could not be shown that the cause of the accident was not an epileptic seizure.

That man and his family were responsible for his being behind the wheel of a car that killed my grandparents. The law did nothing to stop him, or to punish him for his alcohol abuse, or the deaths he caused. That was in 1965, and the laws have since become more strict. Even so, there are many people today that chose to disobey the law, and cause others to be injured or killed due to their negligence.

There are some situations where family members are incapable of intervening with a person that habitually alters their mental state by substance abuse; there are others where family members could intervene, but chose not to do so for reasons of their own.

Family members are not the only people with a responsibility to act, when it becomes apparent that a substance abuser is endangering society. When situations like the one this thread is based on occur, many people have failed to serve in the best interest of society, by ignoring the signs of abuse.

Gun owners are in more danger from death by drunken driver, that they are from criminals with guns. We say we want to protect ourselves and our families by carrying handguns for self defense; what are we doing to protect ourselves from the neighbor down the street that habitually gets drunk and then drives past our home?

RSF
11-23-2006, 08:35 PM
Hey genius, i never ever in my life have ever tried to shut anybody up or stop them from voicing there thoughts pr to limit them as you say.........

it shows how little you really know......
never said that you shoyuldnt beleive what you hear genius. but dont accept one side and take it truth... i have said my peace....... have a nice holiday . wonder were the kids of the killer and killed had there dinner at tonight?

i speak what i mean. since i have been there done that and have seen the mess first hand that these types of things leave behind......

oh well good luck becki and her quest to clear his name......
as to one of many dont drink to much koolaid

Roger Roney
11-23-2006, 09:01 PM
My brother's wife, as I said, did not one day in jail. The judge stated that it would be a shame for the children, my niece and nephew, to lose both of their parents. I see them now, and I know that he was right. They have grown up to be well behaved, secure adults despite the fact that mommy shot daddy with a 12-guage at close range in front of them.... Is that concerning Gary, Tonya, & Vicki? I just completely re-read your previous posts and have no idea what you are talking about here. Please clarify. I have no problem with you appearently trying to go on every website in the world to shed another angle to the story, but please stay on subject here.

Repeating what someone else asked; What is the court/legal status of Gary Studer today?
(Prior,) Was he declared incompetent and not allowed to posess guns, or did his status stay under the radar? Either way, why did the police not investigate the gun threats?
The by-line on the story that started this thread is Laporte Ind. Where does/did everyone live and all events, other than the MI shooting, happen?

Roger

Becki Studer
11-24-2006, 04:53 PM
To answer Roger first, if you go to my second post, I explained that my brother was killed by his wife under similar circumstances 13 years ago. I was talking about the outcome of what had happened back then to the woman who shot him in front of their children during a domestic dispute which involved drugs and alcohol. His name was William Douglas Bohn, killed on March 23, 1993 by his wife. She did not do a day in jail.
I thought of something I'd like to say to RSF lastnight. His cold comments kept me awake for hours. I say this in all truth and conviction from my heart, as I would even to my own son.
If you call 'em like you see 'em, open your eyes wider because you've missed a very pertinent point. You'll notice that I had also contacted authorities with requests for assistance, as Tonya did. I, also, was denied.
Now, in the military, which is one of the best atmospheres for discipline, there are ranks that you must earn. This process ensures efficiency and effectiveness. It has made our country the strongest nation in the world. I can even see this form of rank and file in the pinball game on my laptop that calls for you to do certain things to earn the next rank, and you earn the right to reap the rewards of promotion because you know what you are doing. This is basic discipline procedure, as it was handed down to Moses. It is proven in our success as a nation.
Moving on in this theme, if you fail to do what is required to maintain your status, meaning that you must continue to do the right things to reap the rewards, there are drawbacks. You run the risk of losing rank and rewards. They are called weaknesses and are evident in the end result.
Here is an end result; there are two people dead, another facing conviction of murder and distraught families, not to mention the rippling affects through our society. You are critical of Buster. I, on the other hand see it for what it really is-yet more unheard cries for help from poor people at the bottom of rank and file being blamed for the weaknesses in our leadership as a community, a city, a county, a state, a nation and a world. If you are going to hold my stepson that responsible for what has transpired, how much more you should be criticizing the leaders who have the greater responsiblity. This type of thing is becoming more prevalent everywhere.
This is the subject you proposed to open by taking that stance. Here is my response to that perspective. You know what rolls down hill, but eventually it piles up and reaches the people at the top. That is what is beginning to happen. The cries for help are becoming too many for us to ignore as caring people, which includes the people from the botton and upward, as we become affected.
If we want to correct the problems in our surroundings, we'll have to go to the root of the problem, not just criticize the manifestations of the weaknesses. If our military was run like that, I couldn't say these things publicly, and you couldn't either. Oh, the reaping of rewards! I believe your criticism would be more effective if you directed it to the leaders who slack in their responsibilities of protecting our proven way of life by allowing these weaknesses, like lack of proper response BEFORE tragedy strikes and the overabundance of drug and alcohol availability. That is the job we pay them to do, right? That is what they said they would do when they took their stations, right? Any one individual can't be expected to monitor the activities of others, rather we have a system that is supposed to do that. In this instance, and many more, they have failed. It is a matter of accountability, and those with the greater responsibility should be held more accountable for the weaknesses in our society.
I started writing on this site because I saw how much you didn't know about this situation, and the comments were too much for me to handle. I have been in shock since it happened, as I am still sickly. My life has taken such a turn, and I will be doing all I can to help relieve this county from the slacking, corrupt leaders who continue to reward themselves for a job not well done. I have lost too much because of that in my life. I have to wait for a while, but I am writing a book, When Deliverance Doesn't Come....My account of witnessing corruption in my life here in this county. When you are put through things to which you don't contribute, I believe you are to witness to others. It is getting bad. It has now spilled over into your community in another state. Yes, it is that bad here.
I appreciate your interest. I would like to tell you that Buster's brain injury has been verified by two doctors for the state of MI, and the way that Tonya and Vicki poured alcohol in him that week trying to get what they wanted, the impairment did leave him unable to control his actions. He doesn't remember it, I know that. His trial starts next week. I have to testify for the prosecution. His court appointed attorney has not contacted me, but I am not suprised. He has not even been up to see his client. What kind of fair trial do you think he will get?
Coming out of shock is just the beginning of what I have ahead of me. I hope I live long enough to make a difference in this county and the surrounding area.

Tallbear
11-24-2006, 08:36 PM
People will respond and draw conclusions on the information they are given. Weather they get that information from a news article, friend or family, it will still be their conclusion on what happened.

If you want the "final" conclusion on the story, you'll have to wait for the decision of the 12 that will judge what truth is and what isn't. And even then, some will disagree. Until then we can only speculate.