CLEO's BY COUNTY.

[rjrivero]

I thought it may be helpful if we could keep track of all the CLEO's in Michigan's 83 different counties and weather or not they would sign off on Suppressor transfer forms.

For anyone who is doing a transfer to INDIVIDUALS, please let us know:

1) What county you are in
2) Who they determine is the CLEO (Sherriff, Prosecutor, Local PD)
3) Did they sign or did they not sign.

You can do it by posting the info here, or we can go ahead and do it via PM if you'd rather.

I think it may be beneficial to keep the discussion in this thread, and have a separate thread that we can reference to keep track of any changes in.

I would be willing to keep the changes updated, provided we find it helpful. If not, we could always just abandon the project.

[rjrivero]

Here's a list of all the counties in Michigan. As we gather information, we can go ahead and add it here. Green is good to go. Red is no go. The post hyperlink brings you to the member's post that reported their sign off experience. Silver has no report as of yet. If you live inside City Limits, and the Chief of Police signs, we'll add that info under each county as we get it.
1 Alcona
2 Alger
3 Allegan See post 91 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1956003#post1956003)
4 Alpena
5 Antrim
6 Arenac
7 Baraga
8 Barry See Post 65 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1580172&postcount=65)
9 Bay See Post 28 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1424123&postcount=28)
10 Benzie
11 Berrien
12 Branch
13 Calhoun See Post 112 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?148261-CLEO-s-BY-COUNTY&p=2616511&viewfull=1#post2616511)
14 Cass
15 Charlevoix
16 Cheboygan
17 Chippewa
18 Clare
19 Clinton See Post 86 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1889166&postcount=86)
20 Crawford
21 Delta
22 Dickinson
23 Eaton See Post 104 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?148261-CLEO-s-BY-COUNTY&p=2192646&viewfull=1#post2192646)
24 Emmet
25 Genesee See post 63 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1566512&postcount=63)
26 Gladwin
27 Gogebic
28 Grand Traverse
29 Gratiot See post 37 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1482739&postcount=37) See Post 72 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1705762&postcount=72)
30 Hillsdale See post 36 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1447882&postcount=36)
31 Houghton
32 Huron
33 Ingham
34 Ionia
35 Iosco
36 Iron
37 Isabella See This Thread (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1697945#post1697945).See Post 70 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1697958&postcount=70)
38 Jackson
39 Kalamazoo See Post 82 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1861290&postcount=82)
39a Kalamazoo See Post 108 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?148261-CLEO-s-BY-COUNTY&p=2461337&viewfull=1#post2461337)
40 Kalkaska
41 Kent See Post 32. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1424123&postcount=32)
----- East Grand Rapids PD See Post 32 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1424123&postcount=32)
----- City of Walker See Post 42 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1497858&postcount=42)
----- Wyoming See Post 41 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1495603&postcount=41)
42 Keweenaw
43 Lake
44 Lapeer See Post 78 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1828288&postcount=78)
45 Leelanau See Post 94 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1993393&postcount=94)
46 Lenawee
47 Livingston See Post 38. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1489581&postcount=38) See post 74 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1725461&postcount=74)
48 Luce
49 Mackinac
50 Macomb
----- Chesterfield Twp See Post 49 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1506614&postcount=49)
----- Clinton Twp See Post 113 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?148261-CLEO-s-BY-COUNTY&p=2656272&viewfull=1#post2656272)
51 Manistee
52 Marquette See Post 9 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1379060&postcount=9)
53 Mason
54 Mecosta
55 Menominee
56 Midland
57 Missaukee
58 Monroe See post 8. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1378834&postcount=8) See Post 89 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1938189&postcount=89)
----- Milan See post 60 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1555687&postcount=60)
59 Montcalm See post 31 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1438910&postcount=31) and Post 98 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2188023&postcount=98)
60 Montmorency
61 Muskegon See post 47 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1504528&postcount=47).
62 Newaygo See Post 81. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1861188&postcount=81)
63 Oakland See post 29 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1424123&postcount=29), Post 48 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1504985&postcount=48), & Post 69 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1653722&postcount=69) Post 83 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1867830&postcount=83)
----- Birmingham See Post 93 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1991249&postcount=93)
----- Farmington Hills See Post 53 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1531330&postcount=53)
-----Hazel Park See Post 110 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?148261-CLEO-s-BY-COUNTY&p=2534371&viewfull=1#post2534371)
----- South Lyon See Post 92 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1989284&postcount=92)
----- Troy PD See post 33 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1441044&postcount=33)
64 Oceana
65 Ogemaw
66 Ontonagon
67 Osceola
68 Oscoda
69 Otsego
70 Ottawa See Post 26 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1419953&postcount=26) and Post 73 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1725334&postcount=73)
-----Holland See Post 68 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1644399&postcount=68)
71 Presque Isle
72 Roscommon
73 Saginaw
74 Sanilac
75 Schoolcraft
76 Shiawassee See post 35. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1424123&postcount=35)
77 St. Clair See post 40 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1490878&postcount=40).
78 St. Joseph
79 Tuscola
80 Van Buren See Post 85 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1887865&postcount=85) and Post 88 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1905252&postcount=88)
81 Washtenaw See post in another thread. (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2353693&postcount=1)
----- Milan See post 60 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1555687&postcount=60)
82 Wayne
----- Redford Township See Post 51 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1524881&postcount=51) and Post 57 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1533973&postcount=57)
----- Westland PD See Post 95 (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2151588&postcount=95)
83 Wexford

[Remnar]

Call and message into Flint police department a week ago. No Response.

Email sent to Genesse County Sheriff via his web site on 9-9-11. No response as of this morning.

[tdbrown1969]

http://www.usacops.com/mi/

[pgaplayerless]

CLEO is not based by counties. Its the chief of whatever law enforcement agency polices your area be it local pd or sheriff.

For those being policed by Oakland Co SD, its Sherriff Bouchard, tho he is not the one that actually signs it. They will sign though.

[rjrivero]

CLEO is not based by counties. Its the chief of whatever law enforcement agency polices your area be it local pd or sheriff.

For those being policed by Oakland Co SD, its Sherriff Bouchard, tho he is not the one that actually signs it. They will sign though.
I do realize that the county sheriff may not be the CLEO who signs the forms, however, it's a bit easier to break things up and line them up that way.

I *think* you'll find that as this matures a bit, any given municipality/sheriff department will eventually determine WHO is going to sign them off and "keep tabs" on this.

Per the BATFE, they really don't care if it's the local PD or Sheriff or prosecutor, but that's to be determined by the different municiplaities as well.

It'll be a little bit before things get straitened out but I thought this may be a descent way of keeping track of things.

If you have alternate plan on logging this information, please share!

RJ

[pgaplayerless]

I do realize that the county sheriff may not be the CLEO who signs the forms, however, it's a bit easier to break things up and line them up that way.

I *think* you'll find that as this matures a bit, any given municipality/sheriff department will eventually determine WHO is going to sign them off and "keep tabs" on this.

Per the BATFE, they really don't care if it's the local PD or Sheriff or prosecutor, but that's to be determined by the different municiplaities as well.

It'll be a little bit before things get straitened out but I thought this may be a descent way of keeping track of things.

If you have alternate plan on logging this information, please share!

RJ


Huh? What things need straightening out??

CLEOs have been signing off on NFA forms for decades. Just because suppressors have been legalized doesn't mean its the first and only nfa item to be legal in MI

[misuppression]

I don't yet know if the the sheriff will sign off for (58) Monroe county, but I spoke to the District Attorney (Bill Nichols) awhile back and he said that he would sign off.

[harry]

marquette county, sheriff mike lovelace, WILL SIGN. I just picked up my form 4's:biggrin:

[appliancebrad]

I just e-mailed our Sheriff and PA. I'l post as soon as I hear back from them.

[rjrivero]

Huh? What things need straightening out??

CLEOs have been signing off on NFA forms for decades. Just because suppressors have been legalized doesn't mean its the first and only nfa item to be legal in MI
Excellent points. NFA items have a rather nefarious "reputation." Some CLEO's won't view "All NFA Items" equally. That's all I'm saying. Some CLEO's aren't going to like the idea of civilians having suppressors. Some will resist, but then change their mind. It'll settle out in time is all I mean.

My thinking is that listing the CLEO's by county would make it easier to keep track of for folks who may want to do individual transfers.

We can add municipalities in the different counties if it's more helpful.

[langenc]

I have heard of the 'signing' taking several weeks.

[Tom M]

I just emailed Commissioner Green at Warren PD, asking if he'll sign these. I'm now waiting for the SWAT team to show up.

[Dansjeep2000]

Anyone know about the Shiawassee County Sheriff?

[chosos]

Anyone know about the Shiawassee County Sheriff?
When you email the cleo, what exactly are you saying?

[ILoveMyGlock]

When you email the cleo, what exactly are you saying?

Yo man i need you 2 sign dis for ma gun to make it all like da moviez ya heard me? holla back - 313-xxx-xxxx

:jailed:

http://www.myspace.com/293666149/photos/15791926#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A15791926%7D

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5310/19115980.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/19115980.jpg/)

"me bout to **** sum *****s up m4 with a mu****en silencer n scope get blasted on homeboy"

[Hockey9019]

Here is a list of every single Police and Sheriff Department with phone numbers to each. It is verified and up to date quite all the time

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mcoles/LEAPhoneDirectory_250363_7.pdf


You're welcome

[Remnar]

Update....

No response from either the Flint PD Chief or the County Sherrif.

Pretty much what I expected.

Going the trust route...

[buckdog]

I thought it may be helpful if we could keep track of all the CLEO's in Michigan's 83 different counties and weather or not they would sign off on Suppressor transfer forms.

For anyone who is doing a transfer to INDIVIDUALS, please let us know:

1) What county you are in
2) Who they determine is the CLEO (Sherriff, Prosecutor, Local PD)
3) Did they sign or did they not sign.

You can do it by posting the info here, or we can go ahead and do it via PM if you'd rather.

I think it may be beneficial to keep the discussion in this thread, and have a separate thread that we can reference to keep track of any changes in.

I would be willing to keep the changes updated, provided we find it helpful. If not, we could always just abandon the project.


And you being from Ohio? What is you concern for Michigan?:roll:

[rjrivero]

And you being from Ohio? What is you concern for Michigan?:roll:
Just trying to be helpful. I have no vested interest at all. I grew up in Michigan, and graduated from Michigan State University. My wife is from Michigan, my family is in Michigan as well. I spend a LOT of time in Michigan. Other than that, I live and work in Ohio.

[appliancebrad]

Thsi is the latest from Hillsdale County:
I had a conversation with our Chief Judge and our Prosecutor last week. The judge defered to the Sheriff or the Prosecutor. The PA told me they will take up the issue at the October gun board as to who the designee will be to sign off.

[Hockey9019]

Update....

No response from either the Flint PD Chief or the County Sherrif.

Pretty much what I expected.

Going the trust route...
Walk into GCSD. If you have Facebook, he has a Facebook page as well

[Tom M]

I just emailed Commissioner Green at Warren PD, asking if he'll sign these. I'm now waiting for the SWAT team to show up.

10 days, and no reply from the Commish. He must have something else he's working on.:whistle:

[appliancebrad]

Had lunch with the Branch County Administrator yesterday. He will inquire who is signing them in Branch Co.

[big44maghunter]

10 days, and no reply from the Commish. He must have something else he's working on.:whistle:

You should just go to the PD and inquire. The commissioner doesn't deal with the sign offs, they have a dedicated person to take care of it. I transferred a MG a long time ago (5yrs +) and the process was easy. The officer was very helpful and gave me his card to contact him directly for future transfers. Wish I still knew where the card was, but like I said it was a long time ago and I don’t live in Warren anymore.

[TWS-Mike]

Ottawa County Sheriff Rosema just signed one of my customers F4's
no problem

Dropped em off and 2 days later, they called to come pick em up. =)

[DeuceFirearms]

I have an email in to Ann Arbor PD Chief Jones with no reply after several weeks. Will post update when I hear anything back.

BTW rjrivero is a good guy. Meet him at a three gun match a year ago and he is a very nice guy. He just wants to help us all out get our toys.

[AKMSU]

Bay County Sheriff John Miller will NOT sign off on any NFA item that he deems to not be "collectible".......

[jts_01]

Went to the Oakland county sheriff’s office today and they seem to be pretty well setup. You go to the same office where you get finger printed for CPL’s and they take your paper work which they forward to the designated signer - Major Smith. They also do ink prints right there for $15 apiece (they also have extra FBI finger print forms). They didn’t have any ETA for the sign off but when I get them I will report back.

[rjrivero]

First page is updated with information so far. If I missed anyting, please post up here.

[Gloofy]

1) Montcalm County
2) Sheriff Barnwell
3) Signed it in 4 days, During Hunting Season

:ak2:

[TWS-Mike]

KENT COUNTY

One of my customer's experience (11/21/11)

Kent County Sheriff said he will sign, but only where he has patrols.
So for the signature, he referred my customer over to the East Grand Rapids PD who signed readily and was reported...
"No problem getting signature - very nice and done while I waited "

Also, Kent County Sheriff did his Fingerprint cards $15 Each and done while he waited (there are cheaper options though)


Eta:correcting my spelling of Sheriff...

[jts_01]

Well Oakland County was unwilling to sign my paperwork as I'm from Troy (not serviced by the Oakland County sheriff). So I gave it a shot with Troy PD and was pleasantly surprised. I dropped the forms off at the records section and had my forms signed within a week. I also corresponded with the chief and found him to be very personable and understanding. The only thing that took me by surprise was that I had to pay a $10 processing fee.

[rjrivero]

Thanks guys. I went ahead and put East Grand Rapids under Kent County and Troy PD under Oakland County. If anyone has a better way of organizing the Local PD's in each county, I'd be glad to hear it!

[Dansjeep2000]

Well I set an appointment to meet with the Sheriff. He took my ID and Form 4's in the back, came back 5 minutes later with them signed, Sheriff Dept also did my prints ($15 per card).

[appliancebrad]

Hillsdale County

The Gun Board has designated Prosecuting Attorney Neal Brady as the CLEO for Form 4 sign offs.

Neal is very pro gun. He was doing Shall Issue in Hillsdale County before PA 381. His office is in the Court House Annex building, 2nd floor.

[sonicmatter]

Got my sign off today from Gratiot County Sheriff. No issues. Just walked in and got the signature and prints. Was only asked one question and that was what the form was for. I told him it was for a suppressor, and he responded, "oh, for a gun" and he signed it right then. Fingerprints on two cards for $10.

[TWS-Mike]

Livingston County Sheriff
No problem. My customer had to do some educating initially, but the staff was very helpful, and he got it signed while he waited.

RJ, as far as organizing, maybe not a total solution, but at least for better readability

You could tab in the cities under the county... like this?

41. Kent County Sheriff said he will sign, but only where he has patrols
- East Grand Rapids PD who signed readily
- anothr dept
- another dept
42. bla, bla....

FWIW,
mike

[rjrivero]

Livingston County Sheriff
No problem. My customer had to do some educating initially, but the staff was very helpful, and he got it signed while he waited.

RJ, as far as organizing, maybe not a total solution, but at least for better readability

You could tab in the cities under the county... like this?

41. Kent County Sheriff said he will sign, but only where he has patrols
- East Grand Rapids PD who signed readily
- anothr dept
- another dept
42. bla, bla....

FWIW,
mike
I like it, Mike. I changed it a bit. Green is good to go, red is no go. Then I linked to the post in which it was reported. I think it makes it easier to read that way.

RJ

[BobM]

Saint Clair County Sheriff is good to go, I was the first to pop the Silencer cherry. they did ask if I would mind if they did a quick background check on me, so include a copy of your license in your envelope

Bob M

[trapdoorman]

City of Wyoming, Kent County:
Chief James Carmody WILL NOT sign any form 4's. I dropped off the form 4 application at the police department and within an hour received a call informing me that he is not signing any of them.

[7.62 Nato shooter]

City of Walker will no longer sign. She (CLEO) and other area L.E. went to some "meeting" where suppressors were discussed and has now changed her mind. Obviously drank the same cool-aid as the Wyoming and Grand Rapids CLEO's. Suppressors are legal and here to stay, they may as well get educated and used to it!

Kudos to the Kent Co. sheriff and his office, they "Get it!"

[BobM]

I don't want to spread a rumor, by I was reading over at "Subguns" forum last week that the ATF is eliminating the CLEO sign off.
From what I read is that it is a done deal, just a matter of implementing the new forms into the system.

Do a google search for "CLEO sign off going away"

COPIED FROM ANOTHER BOARD...................................
CLEO Requirement to be Discontinued

For enthusiasts of NFA-controlled firearms (e.g., machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns, suppressors), the requirement to get the local chief of police or sheriff's approval on the required Form 1 or Form 4 has been a problem. Started at the inception of the National Firearms Act, the idea was to get the person in front of the chief or sheriff - who was expected to know the "problem children" in his or her jurisdiction - to keep wackos from getting these special weapons. In the 30s through the 70s, that was potentially appropriate: there was no national computer database available at all hours to get criminal histories.

Now, someone buying a .22 rifle can have the National Instant (Background) Check (NICS) and leave the gunshop in fifteen minutes.

Since the CLEOs (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) approval was based on that person's supposed knowledge of local citizens and not whether or not the CLEO thought "people shouldn't own guns like that," it was (and is) often misused.

The National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association (NFATCA) has sought removal of the CLEO requirement for the last six years, according to NFATCA Executive Director and Board Member Jeff Folloder.

"There wasn't a lot of high profile aspects of the effort," he said in a phone interview. "It was a lot of drudgery and detail work trying to get the ATF to go along with removing that requirement."

They eventually did and ran the recommendation up to U.S. Department of Justice. The proposal was returned to NFA Branch for some clarifications. These were completed and the recommendation was sent back up.

Clearing the CLEO requirement off of Forms 1 and 4 has been approved by the DOJ. The revised Forms are being laid out and sent to Office of Management and Budget. They'll examine the proposed regulations and forms change and open the proceeding up for public comments. When that process is completed, they'll approve the printing run and disseminate the forms.

Something could happen to derail the process but it's not clear that anyone wants to. A problem does lurk if the proposed change - an apparently good thing - completes the bureaucratic process: There will be a run on NFA firearms from citizens who could legally own NFA guns but had a chief or sheriff who denied them the right.

snip.............................................. .............

Bob M:twocents:

[7.62 Nato shooter]

Good info BobM
I had read the same thing on Silencer Talk forum. Hope it's true. Let's all keep out fingers crossed. It can't happen soon enough.

[rjrivero]

BobM, I've been hearing the same thing for a year now. I certainly hope that is the case. Please let us know if you hear any more news.

[trapdoorman]

With the way things tend to go in government I would not hold my breath.
Maybe in another year or so it might actually be a reality.
Let's all keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Again, we should be careful what we wish for. Remember the DOJ is headed by Attorney General Holder, who is beholding to Obama. Can any change that is approved by DOJ at this time be for the better? Why in the world would the current administration approve any measure that would make machine guns and supressors easier to obtain? Will concessions be made for this change to be approved?

Any proposed change to the forms should be published in the Federal Register and opened up to period of public comment, I suppose this is when all the anti-gun cleo's will have their fits.

As of the January 26 issue of the Federal Register I have not found anything regarding this change.

[TWS-Mike]

Muskegon County Sheriff signed - wanted to meet my customer, so we made and appointment.
Once there, He signed 2 sets of forms for 2 cans while we talked about coyote hunting, in fact he ended up exchanging contact info with my customer, so they might hook to do some coyote hunting :o

[SSG3K]

Oakland County Sheriff no problem got my forms back today.

Rich

[mmissile]

I was the 1st in Chesterfield Twp. I had to meet with a detective. No big deal.... got it back in the mail, signed, within a few days.

[rjrivero]

Thanks guys. We're updated to this point. If you get a sign off or denial from a municipality or local PD, please include the county that municipality is in. It'll make things easier to update.

Thanks again.

[Brian D]

Not from personal experience but over on Arf.com Redford township in Wayne county will not sign.

[rjrivero]

Not from personal experience but over on Arf.com Redford township in Wayne county will not sign.
Post a link and we'll add the information.

[FerosFerio]

Oakland County-

Oakland County Sheriff would not sign as I live in Farmington Hills, I was told I had to get the local PD to sign. Local chief did sign, though I had to leave my original forms with him for several days- his office staff explicitly stated that I would not be allowed to make an appointment to meet and have him sign face to face, papers must be left for review. Wait was less than two weeks after I left the forms, all signed.

[jthomps348176]

Has anyone in tried to see if the Washtenaw county sheriff will sign?

[rjrivero]

Has anyone in tried to see if the Washtenaw county sheriff will sign?
Post #2 is updated as information gets reported to this thread. LINK HERE (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1377679&postcount=2).

No reports for Washtenaw yet.

[jthomps348176]

Post #2 is updated as information gets reported to this thread. LINK HERE (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1377679&postcount=2).

No reports for Washtenaw yet.


Thanks,

[Brian D]

Post a link and we'll add the information.

Email I received back from Redford township PD:

"Mr Dennis,
At this time we are not signing forms for supressors untill we consult with our negboring cities and the Wayne County Sheriff."

That is literally all it said. No closing, no thanks for your inquire, nothing. God I love this township.

[Pyzik]

Wow, thanks for your work.

Kinda surprised this isn't sticky'd.

[rjrivero]

Wow, thanks for your work.
I second that! Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences and doing the work! Post 2 updated to this point!

[DetroitStyle]

I will just add my input. I've attempted to meet with/see the interim police chief in Milan MI three times. Left my number twice. He's apparently never in and doesn't return calls. My suppressor has been sitting at Chewy's, paid for, for almost 3 months now... guess I'm going to have to go the trust route.

[rjrivero]

I will just add my input. I've attempted to meet with/see the interim police chief in Milan MI three times. Left my number twice. He's apparently never in and doesn't return calls. My suppressor has been sitting at Chewy's, paid for, for almost 3 months now... guess I'm going to have to go the trust route.
Hmmm. That's not exactly a "No" but it's more of a dodging the question. I'll put it in RED for now, unless someone has any objections? I believe Milan is in both Monroe and Wastenaw counties, correct?

[DetroitStyle]

Hmmm. That's not exactly a "No" but it's more of a dodging the question. I'll put it in RED for now, unless someone has any objections? I believe Milan is in both Monroe and Wastenaw counties, correct?
Yes, I believe if you south of Main St, you are Monroe county... north of Main is Washtenaw.

[hidehunter]

Just picked up my form 4 for my silencer from the Genesee County Sheriff Dept. They had no problem at all signing it. Dropped it off on Friday and they called me Monday about 11:00 am to let me know it was ready.
Signed by Robert J. Pickell

hidehunter

[rjrivero]

Updated to this point.

[DropTine73]

Just had my form 4 signed off this past week with no problem. Dropped it off at the Barry County Sheriffs on Wednesday about 3ish and picked it up an hour later (sheriff was not in when I dropped off my forms, must have signed them as soon as he returned). Thanks!

[Yooper55]

Mine signed

[rjrivero]

Mine signed
Which county? Is this for the Striker-12 or a suppressor?

[Blag]

Holland Police chief signed mine today.. G2G

[fmkenner]

I live in Lake Orion, the township not village. Oakland county sheriff did mine, took 3 weeks, they say usually 2 weeks.

[Tango125INF11b]

Isabella County Sheriff, Leo Mioduszewski signed off on my form 4 after keeping it overnight. I had to call the next day to ask him if he got to it yet, and he pulled it right out and signed it while I was on the phone with him. He is good to with suppressors!

[Jason Demond]

Just had my form 4 signed off this past week with no problem. Dropped it off at the Barry County Sheriffs on Wednesday about 3ish and picked it up an hour later (sheriff was not in when I dropped off my forms, must have signed them as soon as he returned). Thanks!


I just spoke to Sheriff Leaf.
He fully supports the Second Amendment and is more than willing to sign all the class 3 stuff brought before him.

[sonicmatter]

Just as an FYI, I guess I was the first in Gratiot County to get a suppressor signed off by the Sheriff's Office since none of them really had any idea of what was going on.

When I went in there 6 months or so ago and asked for the Chief Law Enforcement officer to sign they gave the paperwork to a Detective and he signed it. I got my form 4 kicked back by the ATF and received it today. Apparently the Gratiot Co. Sheriff has a different idea of who has CLEO powers than the BATF. I went back to the GC Sheriff today and this time the Sheriff signed it on a random walk in, I did not make an appointment. The Sheriff asked me what I needed it for, which was the same question the detective asked me, and I told him for hearing protection. They kind of chuckled about why it got kicked back.

I hope this can be of benefit to someone. So to the next person that goes there to get a form 4 signed make sure you tell the lady behind the counter that it has to be the Sheriff that signs it even though the Gratiot Co. Sheriff's office might think a detective's signoff should be good enough.

[GarrettJ]

Ottawa County Sheriff Rosema just signed one of my customers F4's
no problem

Dropped em off and 2 days later, they called to come pick em up. =)
When I called about it they said it would only be 2 or 3 days... But it worked out to be almost exactly a month.

Oh well. I now have signed papers in hand, and ready to start the next wait...

[Quantum007]

Dropped off and signed off in 1 day. Now I'm just waiting on BATFE

[rjrivero]

Thanks all!!

[mhink]

wayne county or livonia?

[SIG229R]

Any word on Lapeer County?

[SIG229R]

Lapeer County Sheriff wants you to have a secure gun safe and a home security/alarm system that is monitored by the company that installed the system.

Having an 800 pound 10 bolt gun safe and 3 guard dogs wasn't good enough for this guy.

[SIG229R]

I thought that I lived in Lapeer County and I was wrong. Thank God I live in Genesse County. The Genesse County Sheriff signed off my Form-4's the very same day. Got them in the mail today and everything is Good-To-Go. I just can't believe the BS and the Hoops that the Lapeer County Sheriff makes you jump through to get the Forms signed off. What a freaking Joke. I would have gone the NFA Trust route way before I spent all that money on an alarm system that needs to be monitored for my house.

[Liberty]

Ann Arbor: I spoke with Chris Briney on the phone today. He is the contact person for Pistol Purchase and Licensing for Ann Arbor PD. He stated that the Chief of Police has decided to review silencer applications on a case by case basis.

[Bbb]

The process for a suppressor in Newaygo County.

Newaygo Under Sheriff was able to sign off without incident.

Walgreens in Fremont took the Passport photos for about $12

Apparently no one in Newaygo does the "ink" fingerprinting. Go to the
Kent County Sheriff and request non-livescan fingerprinting (2 copies= $30). The fingerprint card is still printed from a computer in black ink (acceptable).

Turn in the paperwork to the dealer

Now I wait for about six months:protest:

[Phelptwan]

I don't know what happened to my earlier post, but Chief Fuller in Kalamazoo County will NOT sign.

[Archangel6]

Oakland County Sheriff dropped the papers off on 12/12, they were signed on 12/26 but I didn't get the call until this morning and I picked them up this afternoon.

Anyone from oc remember who signed their forms? I'm just curious if your application was returned because the was signer didn't list their title.

[User Name]

Got mine last week, dropped it off a few days after you, but got them back last week. Noted in text as Sheriff Bouchard, signed by Major Smith. Dropped them off in the mail today, so we'll see.



Oakland County Sheriff dropped the papers off on 12/12, they were signed on 12/26 but I didn't get the call until this morning and I picked them up this afternoon.

Anyone from oc remember who signed their forms? I'm just curious if your application was returned because the was signer didn't list their title.

[mjk1]

Having problems with the Sherrif in Van Buren Co. I was told in OCT that he signs them. I dropped mine off 2 weeks ago, called on this past monday, was told to call on wednesday ( to his secretary ) have called WED THUR & Today.
No one seems to be able to return a phone call. All their phones go right back to V-mail. This is not the government I supported during campaign time. What a heart breaking event, the top law in the land AND HIS PEOPLE WON'T EVEN RESPOND, when you inquire. I don't get it. What now they won'tt return the call because I asked for an update... after they told me to call. His secretary has not returned ( 3 very polite v-mails ) at all.
In reality I have 130 dollars into the form 4 alone, I would have opted for a Trust instead of this aggrevation. For the record I have been very courteous every time I have been to the sherrifs office.

And this is why everyone is upset with our government ! If I did my job like that,I would be looked at very closely until my poor performance changed.

[JohnnyHollywood]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but, Clinton County Under Sheriff says Sheriff Kangas will sign a form 4. Ordered my suppressor a couple weeks ago... can't wait! :grin:

[rjrivero]

Having problems with the Sherrif in Van Buren Co. I was told in OCT that he signs them. I dropped mine off 2 weeks ago, called on this past monday, was told to call on wednesday ( to his secretary ) have called WED THUR & Today.
No one seems to be able to return a phone call. All their phones go right back to V-mail. This is not the government I supported during campaign time. What a heart breaking event, the top law in the land AND HIS PEOPLE WON'T EVEN RESPOND, when you inquire. I don't get it. What now they won'tt return the call because I asked for an update... after they told me to call. His secretary has not returned ( 3 very polite v-mails ) at all.
In reality I have 130 dollars into the form 4 alone, I would have opted for a Trust instead of this aggrevation. For the record I have been very courteous every time I have been to the sherrifs office.

And this is why everyone is upset with our government ! If I did my job like that,I would be looked at very closely until my poor performance changed.
If you have an update on Van Buren County let us know. Otherwise we are updated to this point. Thanks all.

[mjk1]

Very Grateful to Sherrif Gribbler. He signed it in 2 weeks and 3 days .

[dekulaw]

Monroe County has a new sheriff. I spoke with him yesterday and he indicated that he would not be signing Form 4s. I haven't spoke to Prosecuting Attorney Nichols yet to see if his position has changed in light of the Sheriff's but I will let you know when I find out.

John V. Deku
Attorney at Law
8336 Monroe Road, Suite 205
Lambertville, Michigan 48144

(734) 854-4535
dekulaw.com

[Eric00]

Has anyone had luck with st Clair shores signing? Couldn't find anyone saying yes or no. Thanks

[coltfreak44]

I have had two form 4s signed now in Allegan County took less than a week each time, but fingerprints need to be done in Kent County and everytime I deal with the Allegan County Sheriff Department I am amazed with the level of incompetence within the department!

[cousin15]

Not that it will impact most of you but...

South Lyon Police does ink fingerprinting at the station and the sheriff signed my form for silencer in 1 day (would have instantly signed but he was off site).

It's good in the small town!

[AmesJainchill]

Birmingham, MI (Oakland County)

2 Suppressors
1 AOW

All three signed off in the Aug/Sept 2012 timeframe by Deputy Chief Clemence with no issues (Chief Studt was not available at the time).

First one I had to drop off with their assistant and a few day turnaround, but the other two I spoke directly with the Deputy Chief. Pleasant conversation and no issues with the sign off.

Had prints done for $10 per card.

[Mark.n.chip]

I guess here in Leelanau County we're lucky. I have always just shown up and gotten paperwork signed on the spot then done fingereprints. No appijntments nothing.

[Psynosis]

From Westland just confirmed the local PD will not sign. Prints are $50 for both cards for residents, $75 for non-residents.

[Tedfs]

Just email the Local PD in my town, Eaton County, just in case the new ATF " opinion " regarding Trusts goes south.

[BullPup Adict]

Any info on Sanilac or Huron Countys?

Bull

[Chain]

Montcalm County's link goes to the wrong link.... Montcalm County CLEO is Sheriff William Barnwell. He WILL sign. I have a gun shop in this county. We sell suppressors. And know William (Bill).

[rjrivero]

Montcalm County's link goes to the wrong link.... Montcalm County CLEO is Sheriff William Barnwell. He WILL sign. I have a gun shop in this county. We sell suppressors. And know William (Bill).
Please check it again. It's working on my machine. Please post a link of where you are getting directed.

Anyone else seeing any anomalies?

Updated Montcalm with post 98 as well.

[Chain]

Please check it again. It's working on my machine. Please post a link of where you are getting directed.

Anyone else seeing any anomalies?

Updated Montcalm with post 98 as well.

I checked it twice before posting... Hmmm... that's strange... Sry bout that... but I swear... oh well.

Thanks!

[rjrivero]

I checked it twice before posting... Hmmm... that's strange... Sry bout that... but I swear... oh well.

Thanks!
This isn't the first time the links got crossed. Happens from time to time. Not sure why. Thanks for keeping tabs!

[BPS]

I don't want to spread a rumor, by I was reading over at "Subguns" forum last week that the ATF is eliminating the CLEO sign off.
From what I read is that it is a done deal, just a matter of implementing the new forms into the system.

Do a google search for "CLEO sign off going away"

COPIED FROM ANOTHER BOARD...................................
CLEO Requirement to be Discontinued

For enthusiasts of NFA-controlled firearms (e.g., machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns, suppressors), the requirement to get the local chief of police or sheriff's approval on the required Form 1 or Form 4 has been a problem. Started at the inception of the National Firearms Act, the idea was to get the person in front of the chief or sheriff - who was expected to know the "problem children" in his or her jurisdiction - to keep wackos from getting these special weapons. In the 30s through the 70s, that was potentially appropriate: there was no national computer database available at all hours to get criminal histories.

Now, someone buying a .22 rifle can have the National Instant (Background) Check (NICS) and leave the gunshop in fifteen minutes.

Since the CLEOs (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) approval was based on that person's supposed knowledge of local citizens and not whether or not the CLEO thought "people shouldn't own guns like that," it was (and is) often misused.

The National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association (NFATCA) has sought removal of the CLEO requirement for the last six years, according to NFATCA Executive Director and Board Member Jeff Folloder.

"There wasn't a lot of high profile aspects of the effort," he said in a phone interview. "It was a lot of drudgery and detail work trying to get the ATF to go along with removing that requirement."

They eventually did and ran the recommendation up to U.S. Department of Justice. The proposal was returned to NFA Branch for some clarifications. These were completed and the recommendation was sent back up.

Clearing the CLEO requirement off of Forms 1 and 4 has been approved by the DOJ. The revised Forms are being laid out and sent to Office of Management and Budget. They'll examine the proposed regulations and forms change and open the proceeding up for public comments. When that process is completed, they'll approve the printing run and disseminate the forms.

Something could happen to derail the process but it's not clear that anyone wants to. A problem does lurk if the proposed change - an apparently good thing - completes the bureaucratic process: There will be a run on NFA firearms from citizens who could legally own NFA guns but had a chief or sheriff who denied them the right...
Any updates on this?
Thanks

[Tedfs]

Any updates on this?
Thanks

http://www.nfatca.org/

http://www.nfatcaforums.org/showthread.php?16-CLEO-Signature

[Tedfs]

Local CLEO and Eaton county CLEO have been emailed. Waiting to see what the responses will be.

Update

Received an email response back from Eaton County Sheriff Tom Reich


I do sign off on this form, however I have staff complete a background on the applicant first.

Sent off another email for details on the check, do we walk in or need an appointment, fingerprints etc.

[sva01]

I'm in Grand Rapids, will GRPD sign a Form 1 if I decide to delve into the NFA later this year. I assume I have to have GRPD sign as opposed to Kent County Sheriff?

[Patrick]

Just to answer the second part of your question:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#necessary-le-certifications

[McQueen]

Portage City Police Chief and Sheriff Fuller of Kalamazoo County are still no-go's.

[4x4Toyota]

Kalamazoo County Update!!

Just left the office of Prosecuting Attorney Jeff Getting, and he was more than willing to sign my Form 1.
He said just call ahead, and his chief assistant would be able to help.

Glad we don't have to deal with Fuller anymore.

[hellbilly]

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[DrScaryGuy]

Hey, I got denied by my local chief of police for 2 silencers - but that was 2 years or so ago, before I went the trust route
City of Hazel Park, Oakland county.

[Patrick]

Just out of curiosity, did you look to any of the other CLEO options besides the police chief?

[Arnezie]

Calhoun co sheriff signed with no question.

[bad hunter]

Clinton twp. in Macomb county. So far Chief Posavetz has signed 5 for me. form 1s and form 4s. short stuff and couple cans. haven't tried an MG yet.

[supaf1y]

Anyone have any feedback on white lake cleo's receptiveness to NFA?

[Homestead]

I was the 1st in Chesterfield Twp. I had to meet with a detective. No big deal.... got it back in the mail, signed, within a few days.

Thanks man, good to know! I'll give it a try when I am employed once again. I'm also from Chesterfield. :)

[clamum]

It looks like Oakland County is good to go, but since I live in Novi I'm guessing I need to go to the local police department. I don't suppose anyone has any experience with Novi PD, hey?

[OneShot91]

Shouldn't this thread be deleted or amended. seeing as how the CLEO signature has been removed from the requirements, as per ATF 41F?

[Patrick]

Shouldn't this thread be deleted or amended. seeing as how the CLEO signature has been removed from the requirements, as per ATF 41F?

You still have to notify, and 41F didn't change the definition of CLEO.

[OneShot91]

disregard, I misread your response. Yes you must Notify. but their personal opinions cannot allow them to decline signing. meaning, you notify, but there is no need to worry who your CLEO is (other than to notify) or how they will act in regards.