july 22nd carbine level II

[RSF]

Guys this class wil ltake you outside your comfort zone and place you in a lot of variables and postions!

we will get down and dirty this wil lbe a faced paced class!


class wil lbe held at jcoc

10 am start time
125.00

[M1911A1]

Wave of death time! :thup:

[Maranatha]

Steve, whats the round count, and can a old man do this course, and could a person use two different carbines

[sprink]

:fa:

Oh yea, I'm in.

[RSF]

Gary. as long as you can run your ar or other gun safe and use it in proper manor your good to go! there will be alot of differnt postions to shoot from and movment yes 2 or 3 guns is fine!

rnd count will be around 1000k rounds rifle 300 handgun

[sprink]

rnd count will be around 1000k rounds rifle

That's ONE MILLION ROUNDS! Cool, but I need to start stocking up now!

:poke:

[RSF]

oops 1k

[BA]

Damn, have stuff scheduled that day again, again and again. I'll catch you on one of your classes this summer, I hope.

Brian

[Batman]

Cool! :banana: By golly I think I'm free that weekend!! :score: Count me in (until I say otherwise)!


:batman:

[RSF]

got yah down its about time!

I have room left for 1 more shooter this class is going to push you out of your Happy place!

[Ken D]

Steve,

Sign me up.

[RSF]

kenny d your good to go my brother! get your running shoes on!

[appliancebrad]

Dep, I talked to a Hillsdale County Sheriff Reserve Deputy tonight who wants to attend. I gave him your contact info.

[RSF]

ok brad as long as he is squared away ill need to talk to him and see what his quals are! this class will be a rough and ready and all big boys rules apply

[appliancebrad]

Talked to him this morning. He'll give you a call.

[Batman]

Steve, need directions to the facility and a quick list of what to bring (beyond the carbine, ammo, pistol, holster and ammo). Also, so I can keep the family happy, when do you suppose we will be done +/-?

This will be great cause I had to cancel on TDI's carbine class (which starts tomorrow) due to work!:|

[RSF]

directions to club are posted on my website

anything yah might need for outdoor shooting a folding chair etc... light lunch and lots of water eyes ears knee pads are a plus

[Batman]

Dep, can we use a pistol caliber carbine for the class?:fa:

[RSF]

Sure! number one rule bring a gun any gun as long as it runs

[Fiddler]

I ran my Beretta Storm at the class last year and it ran more reliably than most of the AR 15's. Can't complain about that. 8)

[lee]

Steve: Is there room for me . I have been to your level one carbine , pistol, and shotgun class. I have shot IDPA for two years and thus have improved my pistol handling. How late would we go?

[RSF]

Hey Lee, sorry iam over booked as it is and had to cal lin extra RSO officers iam looking at august and sept still for more dates

[lee]

Ok Steve, I know I was late comer. Let me know if people drop out and I can slip in. I'm on vacation that week so I'm flexible. Plus I wanted you to make fun of my 10 pound heavy barreled Ruskie VEPR. You could make fun of my drooping shoulders as I fatigue from the weight.

[RSF]

All i can say is you missed this one! WOW did YOU MISS THE CLASS OF THE YEAR

we fired close to 19,000 rounds of ammo in this class! today

[Batman]

I had a very good time!8)

First time I ever turned my AR barrel white from firing!:score:

Now, when is the level III class?:getsum:



:batman:

[Ken P]

Now, when is the level III class?

It's going on now....in Lebanon

[RSF]

Derek, glad you had a good time! as long as you came away with a few new tools for the tool box, iam happy !

[Flygirl]

That was one amazing class! The Finale was spectacular!! Three Waves Of Death!!!

The teamwork drills were really impressive.

19000 rounds...you know, we may have missed a few brass...I thought I counted it all afterwards....but I only got to 18652...

I did notice that a few of the guys had grins so wide that they went completely off of their faces.:biggrin:

[lee]

19 k rounds shot! No wonder there is a shortage of ammo.

[RSF]

yeap. but i bet we learn a lot more in a day than a weekend Plinking we dont waste ammo thats for sure!


transitons, team work, and lot of on the move shooting and even the little things like how to properly use your sling

[RSF]

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/6603/p1010002ps4.jpg


Just one of our many victims that day

[RSF]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/force_quit/Carbine_II-brass_call.jpg

[RSF]

http://home.wideopenwest.com/~firepower001/misc/stevesclass2.jpg

[Flygirl]

OK, if you guys didn't let me be in the team photo, at least give me credit for the shot. Jeez.
No more cookies for you!

[RSF]

call your union and file a greviance, oh wait! there isnt one, hahahahha


Yes corrine shot the team photo

[Flygirl]

Thank you.

[Batman]

A "Mottley Crew" for sure!8)

Now if we only had a live fire house!

[RSF]

Dont i wish! i really do! iam working on things but capitial is an issue!! and land!

good shooting on your part,

one thing we noticed in class was the adj that shooters had to make to there gear.
vfg needed to be moved in closer, slings needed to be adj. thigh rigs needed to be raised and re postioned, pouches on vest and belts needed tweaking.

and holdover gets alot of shooters in trouble as well faliures to scan

[karcent]

For educational purposes, what brand was the bolt that busted and was it in an M4 or mid-length upper?

[RSF]

M-4 Bolt unknown.

the best i have found so far for bolts have been,

Wilson, colt, i have a few older bushys that have held up well, over 10's of thousands of rounds dpms has been hit and miss as well as. i have a few spares i carry from lmt and wilson in my range bags.

no to be fair this gun has been run really hard in 2 of my carbine classes and a few matches. i was asked why such a high round count? well to insure repetion and to test our gear! we had several rifles go down with minor issues!

[Roger Roney]

<snip>Yes corrine shot the team photoHey, it's nice to look at the guns, and see some familiar faces in the group photo, but I'm not interested in looking at mostly guys. How about one of CORRINE AND GUNS! :lol: :lol:

Roger

[lee]

Just looking at the pix I see alot of AR's , maybe a socom, a romanian AK with a cobra red dot. Since I own a Cobra red dot, how did the the cobra hold up? Were there any onther guns there like a FAL or high end AK ? Also , I see wolf ammo cases in the "brass" pails. Did anybody run .223 wolf or was it all 7.62 or 5.45 ? What a great way to stress your equipment. Did you have to call the fire dept for Batman's "white" hot barrel and is it damaged. BTW, did you wear you "Syd" suit.? "Enquiring minds" want to know.

[RSF]

No sid suit, the ak and cobra ran ok this was its thrid class with me!

2 M1As
rest were ar-15 including a dept 10" colt
there was a ton of differetn ammo there as well most wolf was 223

i think his barrel survived iam not sure about the throat though
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[Ken D]

Lee,

The AK/Cobra worked fine, I switched to it when my AR stopped extracting. I can't remember having a malf with that AK ever.

Reliability aside, the AK can't compete with the ARs; reloads take longer, safety placement sucks, trigger reset is long, and the added recoil affects double-taps.

Unless environmental conditions are horrible, I'd consider the AK plan 'B' (excluding the FNC).

[RSF]

Good thoughts there Ken,

[lee]

thanks all for the responses. Wish you all had room for me. I really wanted to try out my equipment and test it out. Reloads do take longer on the AK but I 'm thinking of putting in a "tactical release" lever operated by the trigger finger. The safety sucks------------when alone, I just don't use it but thats only when alone. The Heavy Vepr with muzzel brake has very little recoil compared to the Romanian. Of course this is just talk--------- got to be put under pressure to see how it "really works" I was hoping to use my AR-180-b for the first half-----afraid the barrel would burn and warp and then switch to the heavy barreled VEPR.

[Batman]

Did you have to call the fire dept for Batman's "white" hot barrel and is it damaged.

Nope I finished cleaning her up last night and all is A-OK. I oiled the barrel and the dark park reappeared.:) Throat is also OK. RRA builds nice stuff.

[Batman]

2 M1As
rest were ar-15 including a dept 10" colt
there was a ton of differetn ammo there as well most wolf was 223

You forgot the girly gun Steve!! It worked great (except it didn't make enough noise!).:)

[RSF]

yeap, his 9mm rra worked pretty good i recall a few ftf with it though! at least due to not running the charging handle fully reward or something like that nice little gun though

[Combat Commander]

Here are some more pics.


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/gunsrus45/IM000842.jpg


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/gunsrus45/IM000840.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/gunsrus45/IM000843.jpg

[lee]

All those shooters laying on the ground. Did Syd go postal?

[RSF]

naw we shot from about 5-6 different ground postions