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magoo1500
11-12-2011, 09:34 PM
looking to get a new .380 that my wife can shoot.she has a bad wrist(from a car accident) and i know my lcp isnt it....
was looking at the bersa 380 or the pk380,anybody have any experience with these as far as recoil goes? or are there other options without spending $500.
any input would be appreciated,thanks
SlowDog
11-12-2011, 10:07 PM
My gf was recoil sensitive but really liked my Bersa 380. Enough she has one now too. They are very easy to rack the slide too.
You can put an Wolff 11# recoil spring in the LCP,and it makes a lot of difference and it isn't that hard to rack
durwood
11-12-2011, 10:28 PM
I've had the Bersa .380 since 2002 and its been very reliable. Wife just got a Taurus 738. Its tiny and has low recoil. Did have an ejector issue (ejecting at forehead) that was fixed in a week. Wife rented LCP, and S&W Body guard as well.
jdarne01
11-13-2011, 07:32 AM
Have a Taurus PT 58 for sale that your wife (or yourself) may like- it's a little larger frame than most .380's, which does result in less recoil. Has 3-dot sights, ambidextrous safety and comes with XTRA mag., in Excellent condition @ $365. If interested call me at 734-775-9187.
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus. Or if you sell a Taurus to someone,they won't be your friend long. I have a pair of PT-22's that are paperweights :cheers:
magoo1500
11-13-2011, 08:50 AM
thanks for the input....will probally look at a bersa and or try tho spring mod for my lcp......
tote'ngranny
11-13-2011, 09:06 AM
S&W Bodyguard.380 has less recoil than the LCP. The grip is slightly longer, allowing one more finger to grip it. I have a friend who's wife has arthritic fingers. He bought her the BG.380 after she tried mine out first. She is 67 and had no problems with it.
The BG.380 has sights, slide locks back after last round, extra mag, laser is eh.. but it shoots just about every make of .380 round without issues.
They have a recoil calibration kit,with 11,12 & 13 # springs,it gets harder to rack as you go up in #. Stock is a 9#
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=52
S&W Bodyguard.380 has less recoil than the LCP. The grip is slightly longer, allowing one more finger to grip it. I have a friend who's wife has arthritic fingers. He bought her the BG.380 after she tried mine out first. She is 67 and had no problems with it.
Have they addressed the issues on the BG ? I have never even held one .
tote'ngranny
11-13-2011, 09:59 AM
Have they addressed the issues on the BG ? I have never even held one .
Yes .. the big one was the take down pin walking. My frame/gun was replaced last year. Any SN after EAAXXXX is good. The laser is unimportant to me. What I care is that it shoots reliably.
Clipper
11-13-2011, 10:03 AM
You might try looking for a used Browning BDA.
JGant
11-13-2011, 10:22 AM
My girlfriend is 5-2" and only weighs 95#.....she loves her Bersa Thunber 380...
Great little pistol....super reliable, only about $300, very easy to breakdown for cleaning...
intheburbs
11-13-2011, 10:33 AM
I've got a Bersa Thunder - I'll let it go for $200. Since I bought my LCP, it just sits in my safe.
I'm in southern Oakland county. PM me if interested.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/bersa.jpg
Roddypipper
11-13-2011, 10:55 AM
Try the browning BDA or Beretta Cheatah, they are both steel framed and are mid sized for a .380, they have minimal recoil and you can change the grips so it fits her nicely.
Alos you might try getting her a .32 auto.
magoo1500
11-13-2011, 11:58 AM
They have a recoil calibration kit,with 11,12 & 13 # springs,it gets harder to rack as you go up in #. Stock is a 9#
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=52
harder to rack,but less recoil if i go up in numbers?....just making sure i have it right.....thanks for the link,i booked marked it.
looking to get a new .380 that my wife can shoot.she has a bad wrist(from a car accident) and i know my lcp isnt it.
Is this to be used for concealed carry, or a house gun?
harder to rack,but less recoil if i go up in numbers?....just making sure i have it right.....thanks for the link,i booked marked it.
Yes,I have the 11#
badmax18
11-13-2011, 01:33 PM
S&W Bodyguard.380 has less recoil than the LCP. The grip is slightly longer, allowing one more finger to grip it. I have a friend who's wife has arthritic fingers. He bought her the BG.380 after she tried mine out first. She is 67 and had no problems with it.
The BG.380 has sights, slide locks back after last round, extra mag, laser is eh.. but it shoots just about every make of .380 round without issues.
Yup. Agreed. Once you do the laser button fix it works without issues. But I never use it anyways. XS also offer big dot night sights for the BG which is what I got for mine and like it. My wife like shooting is as well (who usually only shoots the Mark III at the range)
I also got a pachmayr sleeve for it (not pictured) which makes it even more confortable in hand.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Ollie18/IMG_1831.jpg
magoo1500
11-13-2011, 01:44 PM
Is this to be used for concealed carry, or a house gun?
range shooting and eventually will be her carry gun once she is comfortable with it to take her class with.
SIG P232
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p232.aspx
If she can conceal a slightly larger gun, consider the Walther PK380. The slide spring has a very easy pull, and the gun has very mild recoil.
PK380
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=90455&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=60806&isFirearm=Y
magoo1500
11-13-2011, 02:11 PM
If she can conceal a slightly larger gun, consider the Walther PK380. The slide spring has a very easy pull, and the gun has very mild recoil.
PK380
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=90455&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=60806&isFirearm=Y
thats the other .380 i was looking at...looked at them last winter and remember the slide being easy to rack....basicly want to find something that she would be comfortable shooting....thanks for the tips.
dracothered
11-13-2011, 02:29 PM
You might try looking for a used Browning BDA.
I will first say I have never fired one of these pistols, but because it is a Blow back operated gun it will have a stiffer recoil spring and be allot snappier than the Locking Breach of the same .380 cal.
The BDA 380 is a blowback operated, double action semi automatic pistol. It has aluminium alloy frame and steel slide.
Edit: I carry the Sig P238 which is easy to rack and easy on the hand when it is shot. I should also say I have arthritis fairly bad and it still is easy for me to use.
tote'ngranny
11-13-2011, 03:28 PM
range shooting and eventually will be her carry gun once she is comfortable with it to take her class with.
Might want to have another gun on hand for her .. just in case. The .380's are not the *kindest* guns to shoot about 100 rounds for that portion of the CPL class.
Barbara
11-13-2011, 03:42 PM
I've got a Bersa Thunder - I'll let it go for $200. Since I bought my LCP, it just sits in my safe.
I'm in southern Oakland county. PM me if interested.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/bersa.jpg
Wow, hopefully someone will take you up on that.
dracothered
11-13-2011, 11:05 PM
Might want to have another gun on hand for her .. just in case. The .380's are not the *kindest* guns to shoot about 100 rounds for that portion of the CPL class.
If you are talking about a .380 that is a blow back style gun then you are 100% correct. Though a locking breach style gun is easier to shoot and putting 100+ rounds through it is no problem even if you have arthritis in the hands.
joepistol
11-14-2011, 12:52 PM
Since no one mentioned the CZ-83, I'd suggest it should be included in your consideration of alternatives. Costlier than a Bersa, it is a steel framed,steel slide, 380 which is similiar to the Sig 232, which is probably the best (but most costly) 380 currently offered for sale. (My opinion) The weight of it's all steel construction helps dampen recoil, and it is easily stripped for cleaning. As the barrel is fixed to the frame, it 's design enhances accuracy. If purchased used, they can be found around $300, a bargain for the quality and accuracy of this pistol...That's my :twocents: offered for your consideration..Joepistol..:pistols:
magoo1500
11-20-2011, 05:15 PM
thanks for all the help....went out to a couple of gun shops today and looks like i will be putting a couple of my other hand guns up for sale and getting a sig p238.....more for me,but i wont tell her that....
jimbos
11-20-2011, 05:25 PM
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thanks for all the help....went out to a couple of gun shops today and looks like i will be putting a couple of my other hand guns up for sale and getting a sig p238.....more for me,but i wont tell her that....
A P238 is my wife's Christmas present. I've shot it and it is a no recoil dream to shoot. Recoil doesn't matter to me, but I'm anxious to see what she thinks of it.
thanks for all the help....went out to a couple of gun shops today and looks like i will be putting a couple of my other hand guns up for sale and getting a sig p238.....more for me,but i wont tell her that....
Sigs are nice, too heavy for me with the small 380, but it will help the recoil factor
magoo1500
11-20-2011, 06:19 PM
:scatter:
A P238 is my wife's Christmas present. I've shot it and it is a no recoil dream to shoot. Recoil doesn't matter to me, but I'm anxious to see what she thinks of it.
i am torn between the equinox or the one that comes with the extended and extra mag.....picking one up next sunday and have all week to decide which one...
magoo1500
11-20-2011, 06:23 PM
Sigs are nice, too heavy for me with the small 380, but it will help the recoil factor
they are definetely is some weight to them,havent heard anything bad from everyone i know that owns them....
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I think the P238 is made in the USA; Exeter, NH.
jimbos
11-20-2011, 08:04 PM
i am torn between the equinox or the one that comes with the extended and extra mag.....picking one up next sunday and have all week to decide which one...
I found not having the extended mag not a big deal at all. The gun is so manageable and mild, that especially using two hands it locks in very comfortably and fits like a glove.
That Equinox is a nice looking gun.
dracothered
11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
I found not having the extended mag not a big deal at all. The gun is so manageable and mild, that especially using two hands it locks in very comfortably and fits like a glove.
That Equinox is a nice looking gun.
I agree that you don't need the extended mag except to have another round to fire. If you get the mags for the old Colt Mustang which I have had no problem with in my P238. The only issue some may find is the floor plate of the mag sticks out in front of the grips front strap. This can be easily ground down and refinished, though I don't find it to be an issue for me.
You may also want to look at the Nitro with Rosewood grips.
jimbos
11-21-2011, 10:03 AM
I agree that you don't need the extended mag except to have another round to fire. If you get the mags for the old Colt Mustang which I have had no problem with in my P238. The only issue some may find is the floor plate of the mag sticks out in front of the grips front strap. This can be easily ground down and refinished, though I don't find it to be an issue for me.
You may also want to look at the Nitro with Rosewood grips.
Yup, your right. I didn't think about the extra round availability in the extended mag. Here's the gun. I'm about the order the stainless trigger for it today.
http://https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qASsEVsOB5A/TrqbY1Z8AhI/AAAAAAAAAqE/UNjlSaxCUAI/s720/20111109102418.jpg?gl=US
joepistol
11-21-2011, 10:51 AM
While looking at all the models offered in the 238 lineup, I concluded the 238 HD was the one .The HD has a SS frame instead of aluminum,& several tests of the 238 I read stated the HD was better balanced / more managable with the additional 5oz weight the SS adds to the aluminum framed model.Apparently this is a well known fact, as the HD model was the hardest to find in stock @ the places I looked. I ended up with a used 232 ,as I fit my large hands better.
It's a Sig, so you'll be happy with whichever model you choose! Joepistol..:pistols:
dracothered
11-21-2011, 04:09 PM
Yup, your right. I didn't think about the extra round availability in the extended mag. Here's the gun. I'm about the order the stainless trigger for it today.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qASsEVsOB5A/TrqbY1Z8AhI/AAAAAAAAAqE/UNjlSaxCUAI/s720/20111109102418.jpg?gl=US
Fixed your image link...
Nice looking Sig, I really want the safety and slide release that is on that pistol, plus the mag release.
xmanhockey7
11-26-2011, 08:27 PM
Sig 238 or something like a Walther PPK would be good.
jimbos
11-26-2011, 09:41 PM
Fixed your image link...
Nice looking Sig, I really want the safety and slide release that is on that pistol, plus the mag release.
Thank You, I just ordered a stainless trigger for it from a small machine shop in Oregon for 40 bucks. Damn Sig charges a nice price for these guns and then puts in plastic triggers. They kill me with that stuff. Like using the polymer recoil rods in some of their guns.
dracothered
11-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Thank You, I just ordered a stainless trigger for it from a small machine shop in Oregon for 40 bucks. Damn Sig charges a nice price for these guns and then puts in plastic triggers. They kill me with that stuff. Like using the polymer recoil rods in some of their guns.
The spring housing is also plastic on the P238, but that is all. Be careful with the pin that holds the trigger into the frame. Mine didn't want to come out easily.
magoo1500
12-04-2011, 06:35 PM
picked up my p238 yesterday from geno's in waterford.....great price for this area and fun to shoot.think my wife will be able to handle it nicely....
thanks for all the input
dracothered
12-04-2011, 06:42 PM
picked up my p238 yesterday from geno's in waterford.....great price for this area and fun to shoot.think my wife will be able to handle it nicely....
thanks for all the input
That's great, hope she can and make sure you get a few more mags for it. Remember the Colt mags will also work in it. I didn't have to do anything with it either to make them work in the P238.
jimbos
12-04-2011, 07:26 PM
The spring housing is also plastic on the P238, but that is all. Be careful with the pin that holds the trigger into the frame. Mine didn't want to come out easily.
I found out about that pin. Actually Doug from this site is going to get that pin out tomorrow or Tuesday. I tried, but I did nick the frame ever so slightly, so I asked if he would give it a try before I really jacked it up.
Once the pin comes out it doesn't look like there's anything to it.
jimbos
12-04-2011, 07:31 PM
That's great, hope she can and make sure you get a few more mags for it. Remember the Colt mags will also work in it. I didn't have to do anything with it either to make them work in the P238.
Watch those Colt mags, the followers have been redesigned on the Sig mags to not nick the feed ramp. After a while the ramp will develop a burr on the right hand side.
I've seen the You Tube's on it. I'm sure it depends on the gun.
There's a dude down in Ohio that has the new ones at a reasonable price. I'll check when I get home.
dracothered
12-04-2011, 08:56 PM
Watch those Colt mags, the followers have been redesigned on the Sig mags to not nick the feed ramp. After a while the ramp will develop a burr on the right hand side.
I've seen the You Tube's on it. I'm sure it depends on the gun.
There's a dude down in Ohio that has the new ones at a reasonable price. I'll check when I get home.
That I think was with the pre-2010 models of the P238 that the nick was happening and I don't think it was with the Colt mags. If you look at the front of each mag the Sig has a steep cut where the Colt goes straight across. I believe they had to change it because of that.
rambro
12-05-2011, 01:34 AM
is this your wifes carry gun ? If not her carry piece and its a range toy, or for home defense night stand duty, why not go 9mm full size for less recoil and cheaper ammo.
rambro
12-05-2011, 01:37 AM
czeck out the cz83. Nice work horse of a 380. Nice grip which makes allot of difference, nice heft. Not small like a lcp but its not exactly giant.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/13661
I have been looking this past year at getting my first pocket gun, could go 9mm, which if i do it will likely be a khar CM9, and 380 there is a whole host of interesting possibilities like the sig p238, maybe a masterpiece arms 380 or NAA piece.
jimbos
12-05-2011, 09:46 AM
http://www.pistolsandparts.com/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=20
magoo1500
12-05-2011, 12:18 PM
is this your wifes carry gun ? If not her carry piece and its a range toy, or for home defense night stand duty, why not go 9mm full size for less recoil and cheaper ammo.
Its my gun,she wants to learn to shoot and I wanted a different 380...only 9mm I have right now is a pf9 and that's real snappy...looking at either a glock 26 or mp9c ,but that is down the road
oldskoolford427
12-05-2011, 02:18 PM
I have a LCP that i like alot, But my son has a Sig 238 that shoots like a finely tuned machine, it looks like a baby 1911 and has a little more weight to it than my LCP . Man is that a sweet gun!!!
I say get her a Sig 238.
jimbos
12-05-2011, 04:00 PM
The spring housing is also plastic on the P238, but that is all. Be careful with the pin that holds the trigger into the frame. Mine didn't want to come out easily.
I got that pin out today. I just needed a nail set and not a pin punch, once that came out it was nothing.
jdarne01
12-06-2011, 09:21 AM
have a nice Taurus PT58- a little larger than most .380's, lessening recoil.
In Excellent plus condition it comes with 3-dot sights, ambidextrous safety and XTRA 13-round clip, in soft case at $365. If interested in seeing it, contact me at jdarne01.
have a nice Taurus PT58- a little larger than most .380's, lessening recoil.
In Excellent plus condition it comes with 3-dot sights, ambidextrous safety and XTRA 13-round clip, in soft case at $365. If interested in seeing it, contact me at jdarne01.
If it's so nice why are you trying to sell it?:gavel:
jimbos
12-06-2011, 10:34 AM
If it's so nice why are you trying to sell it?:gavel:
ROFLMAO!:ukliam2:
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