H.B. 5322 transport during sporting clays

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 1/31/2012 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Cackler]

That just makes too much sense.

[Roundballer]

I like the concept. But I think that they worded it poorly. They are specifically allowing a LOADED gun in or upon a vehicle while on a Sporting Clays course. Most Sporting Clays ranges will not allow that. Now the Clubs etc must review their rules, and will probably be labeled anti-2A if they make a rule saying anything different than what is allowed by law.

I also wonder how places like Island Lake or Bald Mountain will handle this. They would not be allowed to make a safety rule, Michigan State Law says that loaded guns are allowed. Not that they are following the current law any way, they even rent out the carts.

The change (IMHO) should be limited to allowing "uncased", not LOADED.

[Cackler]

I like the concept. But I think that they worded it poorly. They are specifically allowing a LOADED gun in or upon a vehicle while on a Sporting Clays course. Most Sporting Clays ranges will not allow that. Now the Clubs etc must review their rules, and will probably be labeled anti-2A if they make a rule saying anything different than what is allowed by law.

I also wonder how places like Island Lake or Bald Mountain will handle this. They would not be allowed to make a safety rule, Michigan State Law says that loaded guns are allowed. Not that they are following the current law any way, they even rent out the carts.

The change (IMHO) should be limited to allowing "uncased", not LOADED.


That even makes more sense but, at least it is a step in the right direction, even if poorly worded.

[brass hat]

They need to just repeal all the transport laws we have now because they are infringements period. Peoples rights don't suddenly dissapear when they enter a vehicle,with or without a cpl.

[westcliffe01]

So when it has been determined that DNR facilities were breaking their own law, they now have the law amended to include exclusions for themselves... Fabulous !

I'm sure the justification of the original law was safety, yet in a place where a large number of shooters are gathered, these precautions are not needed ? Individually, you or I however are not permitted to keep a rifle or shotgun in a vehicle for the legitimate purpose of self defense, nor for predator control, neither of which is possible, given the current law.

Frankly, there are few things more dangerous than sports involving shotguns, particularly when multiple participants and moving targets are involved. You have to know your fellow shooters awfully well and hope they had a good nights sleep the previous night...

[Tallbear]

I like the concept. But I think that they worded it poorly. They are specifically allowing a LOADED gun in or upon a vehicle while on a Sporting Clays course. Most Sporting Clays ranges will not allow that. Now the Clubs etc must review their rules, and will probably be labeled anti-2A if they make a rule saying anything different than what is allowed by law.

I also wonder how places like Island Lake or Bald Mountain will handle this. They would not be allowed to make a safety rule, Michigan State Law says that loaded guns are allowed. Not that they are following the current law any way, they even rent out the carts.

The change (IMHO) should be limited to allowing "uncased", not LOADED.

The "loaded" will be changed to "unloaded" before it comes before committee.

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 5/3/2012 referred to second reading

[luckless]

It would be better to repeal the law than to carve out special exceptions. Good for sporting clays but the rest of us still suffer. Must be someone on the committee that likes to shoot sporting clays.

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 5/10/2012 placed on third reading

[Quaamik]

I don't see a huge issue with this. While it's just an exception for sporting clays, it doesn't restrict anything else more than currently. Sporting clays is getting more popular and it's currently the only gun game that requires a lot of walking that is not part of the game. Its understandable that the same people who want golf carts for golf want atvs / carts for sporting clays.

I WOULD like to see the wording changed to include any shooting course. That would make it easier for whatever the next shooting game that has multiple stations. (Maybe a setup with various stages for pistol or rifle, seperated so that the competitors at different stages are on the course at the same time?) You never know what the next game/fad might be.

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 5/15/2012 transmitted

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 5/15/2012 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON OUTDOOR RECREATION AND TOURISM

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 9/12/2012 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-1

[Tallbear]

HB 5322 of 2012 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2012-HB-5322)
Natural resources; hunting; individual at sporting clays range; allow to transport or possess a firearm in a vehicle. Amends secs. 40111 & 81133 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40111 & 324.81133).
Last Action: 9/13/2012 laid over one day under the rules

[Roundballer]

Just noticed:


9/27/2012 HJ 71 Pg. 2169 Senate substitute S-1 concurred in
9/27/2012 HJ 71 Pg. 2169 Roll Call # 551 Yeas 108 Nays 0
9/27/2012 HJ 71 Pg. 2169 title amendment agreed to
9/27/2012 HJ 71 Pg. 2169 bill ordered enrolled

It doesn't mention the transmission to the Governor, but that is the next step.

Interesting how this bill slips through, but 5225, and 0059 seem to have a few problems.

I like that vote count 108 to 0.

[Roundballer]

10/17/2012-Expected in HJ 72-presented to the Governor 10/3/2012 @ 2:38 PM
They have updated again....

I believe that the 14 day sign-off clock starts.
If he signs it, it is law.
If he doesn't sign, it is law in 14 days.
He would have to specifically veto to stop this (I believe that it is the way it works).

Why does it seem like "they have thrown us a bone", and they expect us to be quiet about other things now?

[luckless]

They have updated again....

I believe that the 14 day sign-off clock starts.
If he signs it, it is law.
If he doesn't sign, it is law in 14 days.
He would have to specifically veto to stop this (I believe that it is the way it works).

Why does it seem like "they have thrown us a bone", and they expect us to be quiet about other things now?
It just seems that way because they threw us a bone and expect us to be quiet about the things they actually promised us and failed to deliver.

It was a mistake for the gun community to expect progress just because the majorities were all republican. For gun rights, these last two years sucked and don't let any of them forget it!

[Roundballer]

Well look and see what I just found in the House Journal #72

Journal-House 2012/10/17 072 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28dmrnzv45ism3p555axxtifzq%29%29/documents/2011-2012/Journal/House/htm/2012-HJ-10-17-072.htm)


To the Speaker of the House of Representatives:

Sir—I have this day approved and signed

Enrolled House Bill No. 5322 (Public Act No. 340, I.E.), being

An act to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled “An act to protect the environment and natural resources of the state; to codify, revise, consolidate, and classify laws relating to the environment and natural resources of the state; to regulate the discharge of certain substances into the environment; to regulate the use of certain lands, waters, and other natural resources of the state; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and officials; to provide for certain charges, fees, assessments, and donations; to provide certain appropriations; to prescribe penalties and provide remedies; and to repeal acts and parts of acts,” by amending sections 40111 and 81133 (MCL 324.40111 and 324.81133), as amended by 2012 PA 246.

(Filed with the Secretary of State October 16, 2012, at 4:25 p.m.)

Date: October 16, 2012

Time: 11:52 a.m.

It is now all set, the DNR concessionaires can now legally have powered carts on their Sporting Clays Courses.

[luckless]

They should have made it legal to have guns in powered carts at all ranges, public and private, and for all sports, not just the one that the sponsors like. This does nothing for the general gun owning population and I put it in the "FAILED" column like the rest of the last legislative session.