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zcolt45
03-14-2012, 08:25 PM
3-year-old boy in Wash. kills self with gun in car

Link to story (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/14/3-year-old-boy-wash-kills-self-gun-car/?page=all#pagebreak)

SEATTLE — A 3-year-old boy fatally shot himself with a gun he found in a car while his family stopped for gas early Wednesday in Tacoma, police said. It was western Washington’s third recent shooting by a child.

“It is incredible in light of the other ones,” said Tacoma police (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tacoma-police/) Officer Naveed Benjamin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/naveed-benjamin/). “You would think people would take more care, not less.”

The Tacoma-area family had stopped for gas about 12:30 a.m.

The father put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the mother went inside the convenience store, Benjamin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/naveed-benjamin/) said.

They left their son and their infant daughter in the car. The boy climbed out of his child seat, found the gun and shot himself in the head, police said. He was declared dead at a hospital. The girl was not injured.

Detectives questioned the parents and have called the shooting a tragic accident, Benjamin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/naveed-benjamin/) said.

The father has a concealed weapons permit, and no charges are anticipated, he said.

Washington does not have a law specifically concerning child access to firearms.


The shooting follows the death of the 7-year-old daughter of a Marysville police (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/marysville-police/) officer in Stanwood on Saturday when a sibling found a gun and fired while the parents were out of their car. And on Feb. 22, an 8-year-old girl was critically wounded in a Bremerton classroom when a gun fired inside the backpack of a 9-year-old boy as he put it on a desk.

“It’s another tragedy in a very short period of time,” Benjamin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/naveed-benjamin/) said.
It highlights the need for people to secure guns, he said.

“You can’t predict what children are going to do,” he said. “You need to unload and lock it up if you’re not carrying it. … It’s really not that hard to practice firearm safety.”

Twenty-seven states have some form of law to prevent child access to firearms, but Washington is not one of them. Such laws can include criminal penalties for adults who allow children to get their hands on guns, according to the San Francisco-based group Legal Community (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/legal-community/) Against Violence.

State lawmakers considered a measure in the regular legislative session that ended Friday that would have required additional testing of gun locks and safes before the equipment is distributed to law enforcement officers for home use. The bill was prompted by the 2010 death of a Clark County deputy’s 3-year-old son. The toddler took a gun from a department-issued safe, which the family insisted was faulty.


A spokesman for the Second Amendment Foundation said existing laws are enough to encourage gun safety, as long as the gun owners obey them.
“Responsible people will maintain gun safety whether there is a law or not; irresponsible people will ignore the law,” said Dave Workman (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/dave-workman/), senior editor of the group’s publication, called thegunmag.com. He said existing statutes, including child endangerment laws, were designed to prevent such tragedies.
Workman said what he can’t figure out is why the two men left their guns in their vehicles when they were licensed to carry them.

“Most responsible gun owners, especially if they’re licensed to carry, will keep their firearm with them,” Workman said.

News of the latest shooting caused Washington Cease Fire Executive Director Gregory Roberts (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/gregory-roberts/) to groan, “Oh no.”

“We think guns are dangerous, but they are not treated as dangerous by our society or by laws or by our regulations,” he said. “We regard guns as some sort of sacred object that should not be subject to regulation.”

The Seattle organization is currently running a campaign of ads on buses urging people to think twice about owning guns. People with guns in their home or car are more likely to injure or kill a family member or loved one than to use it against an intruder, he said.

“Unfortunately we’ve been saying the same thing over and over because we see the same thing happening over and over,” Roberts (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/gregory-roberts/) said.

In Saturday’s shooting, off-duty Marysville police (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/marysville-police/) Officer Derek Carlile (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/derek-carlile/) had parked the family van near Stanwood City Hall, and he and his wife were out of the vehicle when one of their children found the loaded gun and fired. The shot hit 7-year-old Jenna Carlile, and the girl, the oldest of their four children, died Sunday at a Seattle hospital.

The 8-year-old Bremerton girl, Amina Kocer-Bowman, remained in serious condition at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle after nearly dying in the accidental shooting at Armin Jahr Elementary, where a classmate brought a handgun to class. Authorities believe the boy took the .45-caliber gun from the glove compartment of a car while visiting his mother and her boyfriend at their home. He lives with an uncle.

The 9-year-old pleaded guilty last week to reckless endangerment and was sentenced to probation and counseling. He is expected to testify against his mother, Jamie Lee Chaffin, and her boyfriend, Douglas L. Bauer, who were charged Tuesday with felony assault.

Chaffin and Bauer each could face up to five years in prison if convicted.



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SpecFour
03-14-2012, 08:38 PM
They should require Child Conception Licenses.
:banghead:

Bearcat989
03-23-2012, 08:43 AM
What a tragedy. Sad for the family and also sad for the responsible gun community because things like this just turn up the heat for more gun control.....

XDM 40 cal
03-23-2012, 11:38 AM
I cant see why you would dis arm at a gas station at 12:30am with the family in the car..

If you cant carry it, then it need to be put in a lock box..it's that smiple..

Sorry To see this happen,but parents that are Gun owner's need to remember that little ones are curious ...

JohnJak
03-23-2012, 02:42 PM
Stupid people should not own guns.

dhrith
03-23-2012, 04:55 PM
Stupid people should not own guns.


Stupid people should not own kids either.

woody-99
03-24-2012, 09:57 AM
I have 4 kids. 10,7,4,and 2yrs old. This story made me sick to my stomach. A lot of thoughts went through my head, but it just set in stone what I already practice and teach to my wife and friends. KEEP the gun on your person or locked in a safe. PERIOD. As far as stupid people have guns or kids! Let's be realistic we have ALL had stupid moments. I am not perfect and I will not "cast the first stone" at anyone. I support Constitutional Carry and the 2A therefore even the dum dum's of the world have the same rights as the most intelligent of us.

Jerbear1098
03-24-2012, 10:07 AM
The guy had a CPL.... Why the hell didn't he have it on him while pumping gas? Guess he didn't see the report last year of the guy getting robbed and shooting his attacker while pumping gas. jeesh.... :shrugs:

langenc
03-28-2012, 06:08 PM
Many comments.

My daughters/husbands kids (our grandkids) would be unable to do this-car seats. Sounds like this boy was in one but not up to her standards. She is a pediatrician. I doubt a 3 yo could 'negotiate' a correct car seat. Boy must have seen dad stick it there and went there immediately. Bad business leaving kids unattended-gun or no...at 1230AM???

It will haunt him forever.
I wonder if the state CPL laws required the gun to be left outside the store/station?? The more guns are handled the more dangerous.

Made_in_Michigan
03-28-2012, 06:14 PM
Many comments.

My daughters/husbands kids (our grandkids) would be unable to do this-car seats. Sounds like this boy was in one but not up to her standards. She is a pediatrician. I doubt a 3 yo could 'negotiate' a correct car seat. Boy must have seen dad stick it there and went there immediately. Bad business leaving kids unattended-gun or no...at 1230AM???

It will haunt him forever.
I wonder if the state CPL laws required the gun to be left outside the store/station?? The more guns are handled the more dangerous.

Edit: I misread your post.

..DETROIT..
03-30-2012, 06:39 AM
Stupid people should not own guns.

Absolutely. Incidents like this are always a tragedy. It reinerates that young children and guns never mix. EVER. The parent/s should be flogged with barbed wire for being so stupid. A LOADED GUN was left UNLOCKED and within REACH. Are you freaking stupid? Might as well just handed it to the kid to hold it for him when he got out of the car! "here junior, hold this for me".

Dabears!
03-30-2012, 12:06 PM
the father should be charged with negligent homicide

if he was not an idiot and acted responsibly with a gun his kid would be a live, i hope that what he did haunts him until the end of time, he needs to be charged though.

TAC
03-30-2012, 02:12 PM
The father put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the mother went inside the convenience store, Benjamin (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/naveed-benjamin/) said.

They left their son and their infant daughter in the car. The boy climbed out of his child seat, found the gun and shot himself in the head, police said. He was declared dead at a hospital. The girl was not injured.


:upto: :fur3:

tote'ngranny
03-31-2012, 06:28 AM
I cant see why you would dis arm at a gas station at 12:30am with the family in the car..

If you cant carry it, then it need to be put in a lock box..it's that smiple..

Sorry To see this happen,but parents that are Gun owner's need to remember that little ones are curious ...
I completely agree with the lock box. However, in the past I was criticized on this forum awhile back for using a lock box when I could not carry inside a PFZ building.

MP Miller
03-31-2012, 07:48 AM
How did he get out of his child seat?

I think this guy should not be charged, he lost his son, he's been punished.

Dabears!
03-31-2012, 07:57 AM
How did he get out of his child seat?

I think this guy should not be charged, he lost his son, he's been punished.
he did not lose his son.
he aided in the death of his son.
if it wasnt for him being a moron his son would be alive.

Garbo
03-31-2012, 07:59 AM
Places like Ohio you cannot carry into the rest area buildings on the turnpike or anything owned by the government. Guessing that's why he disarmed due to a similar law.

tote'ngranny
03-31-2012, 08:20 AM
Places like Ohio you cannot carry into the rest area buildings on the turnpike or anything owned by the government. Guessing that's why he disarmed due to a similar law.
I believe it is illegal to leave a gun underneath the seat, or anywhere except a locked box in Ohio.

MP Miller
03-31-2012, 08:25 AM
he did not lose his son.
he aided in the death of his son.
if it wasnt for him being a moron his son would be alive.

Should the wife be charged for not securing him in his seat properly?

The less the government is involved the better.

XDM 40 cal
03-31-2012, 08:40 AM
I completely agree with the lock box. However, in the past I was criticized on this forum awhile back for using a lock box when I could not carry inside a PFZ building.

Criticized for doing right? :crazy:

Dabears!
03-31-2012, 08:43 AM
Criticized for doing right? :crazy:
my thoughts exactly

tote'ngranny
03-31-2012, 10:14 AM
Yup!

jrboswell
03-31-2012, 07:51 PM
:yeahthat: :yeahthat:
Stupid people should not own kids either.

7.62 Nato
04-01-2012, 11:38 AM
Might as well just handed it to the kid to hold it for him when he got out of the car! "here junior, hold this for me".
kAE-m2KOjSg

ShootinFool
04-01-2012, 10:58 PM
This guy made some critical and dumb mistakes. Nobody is perfect but some people make mistakes and get caught in a bad way. This reinforces the point that there is no room for error in gun safety.

Whether he is charged with a crime or not, I don't think he can be hurt any more than he is now. Coming back to the car and seeing his son shot in the head in the presence of his daughter and knowing that it was his fault, how can he be hurt or punished any more than that?

Dabears!
04-01-2012, 11:12 PM
firearms rights revoked temporarily until he proves he is competent enough to own one.
jail time for allowing it to happen.


if this were a neighbor babysitting and it happened there would be charges i think

durus5995
04-01-2012, 11:23 PM
Places like Ohio you cannot carry into the rest area buildings on the turnpike or anything owned by the government. Guessing that's why he disarmed due to a similar law.

They changed that law for rest areas and here is the Washington State laws.

The gas station was not a PFZ from what I can tell.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/washington.pdf

customer101
04-05-2012, 12:18 PM
Terrilbe!!!!!!

Wild-Child-_-
04-06-2012, 10:13 AM
“Responsible people will maintain gun safety whether there is a law or not; irresponsible people will ignore the law,” said Dave Workman

Isnt this quote the truth.