Bill to remove Pistol Free zones introduced [Archive] - Michigan Gun Owners Community Forum

appliancebrad

05-15-2007, 06:44 PM

Bill to remove Pistol Free zones introduced
May 15, 2007
Brad Benzing
SAFR

As promised to SAFR a few weeks ago, HB 4759 has been introduced by Rep. Daniel Acciavatti. Co-Sponsors are: Reps. Hoogendyk, Horn, Stahl, Opsommer, Meltzer and Meekhof

The Bill has been referred to the Committee on Judiciary which is Chaired by a veteran anti gunner. Further, this Bill has a Minority party sponsor. Both of these facts will make this Bill a slow starter

Your help is needed to get this moving. Call your Representative and ask them to support this HB 4759. If your Rep is a Dem, please ask them to sign on as a co-sponsor. We need bi-partisan support to move this. It is very important to make these calls or e-mails. You can find the contact info for your Representative here.. (http://house.michigan.gov/find_a_rep.asp) All you need is your home address if you don't know who your Rep is. Please be courteous and polite.

The house Judiciary members are:

Committee Members:
Paul Condino (D), Committee Chair, 35th District
Andy Coulouris (D), Majority Vice-Chair, 95th District
Steve Bieda (D), 25th District
Marc R. Corriveau (D), 20th District
Mark S. Meadows (D), 69th District
Andy Meisner (D), 27th District
Bettie Cook Scott (D), 3rd District
Virgil Smith (D), 7th District
Rebekah Warren (D), 53rd District
Tonya Schuitmaker (R), Minority Vice-Chair, 80th District
David Law (R), 39th District
Kevin Elsenheimer (R), 105th District
John Stakoe (R), 44th District
Rick Jones (R), 71st District
Tory Rocca (R), 30th District

Schuitmaker, Elsenheimer, Stakoe, Jones and Rocca are all solidly Pro Gun. Unfortunately, some of the most vocal anti gunners in the House are on this Committee.

We need everyone's help to get this Bill moving. Your calls of support are appreciated. When you call, please identify yourself as a member of both SAFR and MGO.

karcent

05-16-2007, 06:54 AM

Is there a link to the text of this bill?

RS2

05-16-2007, 06:56 AM

Yes, sir.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2007-2008/billintroduced/House/htm/2007-HIB-4759.htm

karcent

05-16-2007, 07:21 AM

Thanks, Ron!

Garbo

05-16-2007, 07:25 AM

:thup:

nuf said,

BOSS302

05-16-2007, 08:13 AM

You can find the contact info for your Representative here.. All you need is your home address if you don't know who your Rep is. Please be courteous and polite.

Where is the link?

appliancebrad

05-16-2007, 08:32 AM

You can find the contact info for your Representative here.. All you need is your home address if you don't know who your Rep is. Please be courteous and polite.

Where is the link?

Fixed it, thanks!

HK USP

05-16-2007, 10:30 AM

Already contacted mine, N I borrowed this and posted it in several other forums.

Divegeek

05-16-2007, 11:34 AM

Oh my God! That eliminates ALL the CEZ's for everyone. That is way more than I ever thought we could get. I am going to write my rep this evening after work, and ask all my CPL holding friends to do the same.

indianajones

05-16-2007, 01:01 PM

email sent. dist. 43

thanks for the post.

45 acp

05-16-2007, 01:19 PM

When contacting your rep,s let them know that you oppose this bill !!!!!!!!!!!!

House Bill 4744 (Exempt judges from CPL “gun free zones” ): Introduced by Rep. Kenneth Horn on May 10, 2007, to exempt retired and current state court judges from the “gun-free zone” provisions of the concealed pistol permit law. These zones include schools, day care facilities, sports stadiums or arenas, bars, bar/restaurants, places of worship, college dorms and classrooms, hospitals, casinos, entertainment facilities that hold more than 2,500, and courts.

http://www.michiganvotes.com/Legislation.aspx?ID=53444

And if they pass HB 4759 then the judges would also be exempt as well as every one else with a CPL

Maybe it would be a good idea to flood all the members of the House Judiciary Committee with e-mails letting them know that we are opposed to HB 4744 and want to have HB 4759 pass.

TireFryer

05-16-2007, 02:12 PM

email sent and I posted this info on TheHighRoad forum as well for added support...

RS2

05-16-2007, 02:32 PM

I just got off the phone with a nice young man in Rep. Law's office. I (very politely) explained the multiple reasons that the pistol free zones are detrimental to society, and that we should not be creating special clases of citizens, some of whose lives and children are deemed more valuable than others. He agreed with my points, and said that Rep. Law will be supporting the passage of HB 4759.

appliancebrad

05-16-2007, 05:19 PM

Thanks everyone, keep those calls and e-mails coming.

Mike Kelly

05-16-2007, 05:52 PM

Dear Mr. Kelly: Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding House Bill 4759. As a strong proponent of CCW I appreciate that you have taken time to write.

There are four different bills in various stages of introduction, each accomplishing something different related to restricted zones. For example, one bill (not yet submitted) eliminates the gun-free zones. As of this date none of the bills have received a Committee hearing, and whether they will make it to the House floor for a vote is debatable.

HB4759 is, in my opinion, a good first step toward the establishment of better CCW laws. I had a conversation with Representative Dan Acciavatti previous to his introduction of the bill. Since I had requested a similar bill and did not wish to infringe upon the more senior Representatives efforts, I offered to co-sponsor his bill and to assist in its passage. Representative Acciavatti agreed to allow me to become the first co-signer on his bill, but then apparently decided to move in a different direction. I did not know the bill had been assigned until you wrote.

I will be supportive of legislation that benefits CCW holders and will keep your thoughts in mind as this bill progresses through the legislature. Thank you again for your communication.

Regards,
Richard LeBlanc
State Representative - 18th District (Westland)

3dboyz

05-16-2007, 08:00 PM

I emailed Mr. Leblanc and recieved the same exact response as Mike Kelly.

I hope it helps

3dboyz

Tallbear

05-16-2007, 08:17 PM

Here's what you'll be missing if this passes............

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-425o

Matt`G

05-17-2007, 08:01 AM

Very cool, I'll write a snail-mail letter when I get home tonight.

Knimrod

05-17-2007, 11:47 AM

Here's what I got back.. She's a dem.

May 17, 2007

Dear Lance,

Thank you for your letter regarding the elimination of gun-free zones. I appreciate hearing from you on this matter.

The recent shootings at Virginia Tech University constitute a tragedy that our country will not soon forget. As a pro-gun legislator, I understand the desire to defend oneself by carrying a concealed weapon. As the wife of a police officer, I am concerned about the consequences of opening places such as schools and universities to be non-gun free zones. I have not, however, made a decision on this matter and appreciate hearing your thoughts. You can be sure that I will keep your concerns in mind.

Again, thank you for your correspondence and please feel free to contact me if I may be of any assistance.

Sincerely,

Barb Byrum
State Representative
District 67

KayL

05-17-2007, 11:52 AM

Interesting comments. She attends the FNRA events but I think that's mostly for exposure. I was hoping to see more actions to support her words.

Knimrod

05-17-2007, 12:14 PM

It was probably a canned response.. Either that or she chose to ignore what I actually wrote about gun-free zones that obviously don't work as they're intended to.

Done Deal

05-17-2007, 12:55 PM

As the wife of a police officer, I am concerned about the consequences of opening places such as schools and universities to be non-gun free zones. Sincerely,

Barb Byrum
State Representative
District 67 [/INDENT][/I]

Ok...help me out...what does being the wife of a police officer have to do with being concerned about the consequences (which are?) of "opening places" such as schools and universites to be non-gun free zones?

And, if they are in fact gun free zones, how come perfectly innocent students and teachers keep getting shot by criminals without the lawful ability to match force with force?

And, what other "places" is she referring to?

Scary response in my book...pro-gun or not.

indianajones

05-17-2007, 03:19 PM

That is about the most retarded answer I have ever seen.

"As the wife of a police officer, I am concerned about the consequences of opening places such as schools and universities to be non-gun free zones"

I swear these fools dont think before they spew out their ideas.

Dear stupid,

The schools and universities are ALREADY open to guns! and ignorant politicians like you are the ones that limit LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. ok, mr criminal will you put your gun away before you come to campus?

THINK!!!!

Mike Kelly

05-17-2007, 04:34 PM

Ok...help me out...what does being the wife of a police officer have to do with being concerned about the consequences (which are?) of "opening places" such as schools and universites to be non-gun free zones?

And, if they are in fact gun free zones, how come perfectly innocent students and teachers keep getting shot by criminals without the lawful ability to match force with force?

And, what other "places" is she referring to?

Scary response in my book...pro-gun or not.

Isn't the "I'm the wife of a police officer" some kind of "transference of authority" argument? Anybody take logic in college?

Mike Kelly

05-17-2007, 04:35 PM

Dear Mr. Kelly:

Thank you for contacting my office with regard to House Bill 4759.

I appreciate you taking the time to convey your support for this legislation that would eliminate the list of specified premises on which a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon may not carry that weapon. This bill was recently referred to the House Judiciary Committee, whose chairman is Representative Condino. You make a valid point with regard to the exceptions in current law. Should this bill be reported out of committee, I will be certain to keep your support in mind.

Again, thank you for bringing your views on this legislation to my attention. Please feel free to contact my office again with any further state-related issues or concerns.

Sincerely,

Ed Gaffney
State Representative
1st District

rein

05-17-2007, 05:47 PM

This is reply from Ken Horn who introduced house bill 4744

Dear:

Thank you for your email on House Bill 4744, which I introduced. I can appreciate your concern about unequal treatment but until there is sufficient support to eliminate no carry zones, I believe it is warranted for judges, who have frequently been the target of threats and attack, to be exempt along with the others exempt today. I definitely don't place greater importance on their life, but am willing to concede that the nature of their job makes them more of a target than I am. I want you to know that I also co-sponsored the bill by Rep. Acciavatti to eliminate the zones.

I appreciate you letting me know your position, and hope you understand mine. Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

Kenneth B. Horn
State Representative
94th District

Done Deal

05-17-2007, 07:21 PM

This is reply from Ken Horn who introduced house bill 4744

but until there is sufficient support to eliminate no carry zones, I believe it is warranted for judges, who have frequently been the target of threats and attack, to be exempt along with the others exempt today. I definitely don't place greater importance on their life, but am willing to concede that the nature of their job makes them more of a target than I am.

Kenneth B. Horn
State Representative
94th District

Oh please....

When was the last time a Judge got knocked off in a ******* day care center?

Or school or church property?

Or...

Gimme a break for crying out loud...Horn needs to get a clue.

OldDoggy

05-18-2007, 07:59 AM

Letters sent to State Rep. & State Sen. , see what reply comes back. Just Another Old Doggy , Don

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL749/2760087/15421492/253447149.jpg

BOSS302

05-18-2007, 10:50 AM

Are schools still off limits due to Federal law?

Divegeek

05-18-2007, 01:01 PM

Federal law about gun free school zones does not apply to CPL holders. Besides the Federal gun free school zone law was struck down as unconstitutional once and will be again if it goes to the Supreme court a second time.

Dan

05-20-2007, 11:58 AM

The worst part about the democrats taking the house is control of the committees. This is not a nice draw for us for judiciary and a bad consequence for the democrats taking over. If we can get a vote on this in committee though, we can use this to try and swing the house back, or push Dillon enough to get some good people on committee. Out of all 50 some odd house democrats, we get stuck with Condino, Bieda, Meisner, AND Meadows on the same committee? I'll be estatic if this goes through without bad amendments.

Paul Condino (D) - anti
Andy Coulouris (D) - new, Saginaw
Steve Bieda (D) - thank God for term limits
Marc R. Corriveau (D) - new, Northville, Plymouth,Wayne - a probable improvement actually over outgoing incumbent John Stewart.
Mark S. Meadows (D) - was an anti as East Lansing mayor
Andy Meisner (D) - anti
Bettie Cook Scott (D) - new, don't expect much
Virgil Smith (D) - has improved his record
Rebekah Warren (D) - new - Ann Arbor liberal

We need eight votes. That means we need all of the Republicans and two of the democrats. Write off Condino, Bieda, Meadows, and Meisner off the bat. If Warren is moderate and not a close of Chris Kolb/Liz Brater on this issue, I'll be shocked. Scott and Coulouris did not have good surveys. I don't think they understand the issue, and it may be worth trying to convince them.

It will probably come down to Corriveau and Smith (who came through for us on Castle doctrine, but leans anti). I'd work on those two, as well as Scott and Coulouris. All except Smith are newcomers.

As for the Republicans - Jones, Rocca, Elsenheimer, and Stakoe should be solid, probably Schuitmaker as well. Law has a good record, but is in a probably majority anti-district (West Bloomfield).

I'd also push some of the other democrats not on the committee hard asking them to push the bill, particulary those in swing or lean districts. Martin Griffin, Mike Simpson, Kathy Angerer, Kate Elbi, Terry Brown, John Espinoza, and the yoopers. If they want to stay in the majority, they need to make sure their Steve Bieda wing of the party is in check.

Divegeek

05-20-2007, 06:30 PM

Dan is right about pushing Kathy Angerer. In order to beat the Republican incumbant the first time she ran, she claimed to be pro-gun so we can use that against her.

YooperInCO

05-21-2007, 10:55 AM

Dear Scott,

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail me regarding your support for HB 4759. I appreciated hearing from you.

Currently, HB 4759 has been referred to the House Committee on Judiciary. While I am not a member of this committee, I will be sure to keep your comments in support of this piece of legislation in mind as it moves through the legislative process.

In the meantime, please visit www.michiganlegislature.org for tracking capability and more information about this bill. Once there, enter the the bill number in the appropriate field.

Again, thank you for your e-mail. Please do not hesitate to contact my office with any further questions or comments.

Sincerely,

MIKE LAHTI
State Representative
110th House District

TireFryer

05-21-2007, 01:55 PM

Generic = "I will NOT support this bill"

************************************************** ********

Thank you so much for taking the time to e-mail me regarding House Bill 4759. I appreciate hearing from you on this very important issue.

As you may know, on May 15, 2007 Representative Daniel Acciavatti introduced legislation that would repeal the "gun-free zone" provision of the concealed pistol permit law. Currently, it is in the House Judiciary Committee. I will keep your suggestion in mind if and when this legislation reaches the House floor. You can monitor the progress of this bill by visiting the Michigan Legislature's website at www.legislature.mi.gov.

Again, thank you for your e-mail. Please feel free to contact me again regarding gun related legislation or other matters of concern.

Joan Bauer
State Representative
68th District

matto4785

06-02-2007, 04:20 AM

Any more news on this bill? Any movement, or hearings on it, or anything?

bassplayer

06-02-2007, 06:26 AM

Steve Bieda (D) - thank God for term limits

No kidding! I don't know why people keep voting him into office every election. I kept voting for whomever ran against him (When I lived in his district).

appliancebrad

06-02-2007, 10:55 AM

Any more news on this bill? Any movement, or hearings on it, or anything?

No, and it is not going to unless we can create enough pressure on the Speaker of the House. If you have a Dem Rep, you need to get them to ask the Speaker to tell Rep. Condino to hear the Bill.

matto4785

06-07-2007, 11:43 PM

Wrote to my Rep, in District 42, with Rep Accavitti. No response recieved yet.

Roger Roney

06-08-2007, 01:03 AM

Wrote to my Rep, in District 42, with Rep Accavitti. No response recieved yet.Frank has socially talked pro "us" to me, but I do not know his record, or his positions. He has seemed sincere in being pro 2a, CPL, and the right to self defense. For that matter, again socially, so have the Switalski brothers, one who is now our Senator, the other moved on to Judge.

I have an idea.... Let's you and I, and others who want to join us, meet up next Sat at the cruise, and we'll "have a little talk" with him. :lol:

Roger

appliancebrad

06-08-2007, 08:23 AM

Frank has socially talked pro "us" to me, but I do not know his record, or his positions. He has seemed sincere in being pro 2a, CPL, and the right to self defense. For that matter, again socially, so have the Switalski brothers, one who is now our Senator, the other moved on to Judge.

I have an idea.... Let's you and I, and others who want to join us, meet up next Sat at the cruise, and we'll "have a little talk" with him. :lol:

Roger

Accavitti has an unacceptable record on the SAFR PAC 2006 ratings. He has never returned a survey to us either. Perhaps Dan will check in with some in depth comments. He may talk the talk but he doesn't walk the walk.

I'd be interested in what he has to say to you guys.

greenjg

06-08-2007, 01:48 PM

I can see that for the first 90 days of a new permit the legislature might want to limit carry, but after that I see no reason. There have been few problems in the last years permits have been allowed. No blood in the streets at all!

Just a thought.

mkls0

06-08-2007, 01:58 PM

Done Deal

06-09-2007, 07:32 AM

I can see that for the first 90 days of a new permit the legislature might want to limit carry, but after that I see no reason.

The Legislature has already limited carry for years....and I see no reason to limit it for the first 90 days of a new permit.

Please educate me on the advantages of your proposal...

fbuckner

06-11-2007, 07:30 AM

I have written letters but as of yet no response.
The way I hear it this is going to die a short painful death. I hope it goes somewhere but i dont think it will.

Done Deal

06-11-2007, 08:17 AM

It must be easier for politicians to ignore a poorly written law than make the effort to correct it.

Sad...

Thrindle

06-12-2007, 09:33 PM

I sent a letter to my rep for what it's worth. Unfortunately, that rep is Vagnozzi. He's backed some really bad anti-gun legislation and doesn't bother to reply whenever I write him a pro gun letter. Maybe this time I'll write him a bunch of letters.

Glockslinger

06-14-2007, 01:26 AM

I wrote Mickey Switalski when this first was introduced and got a positive response. He tends to reply personally. Is it about time to write again??? My "other" rep is the "other" Acciavitti (spelled slightly different) who, I believe, is a Dem. Time to blast him too???

Roger Roney

06-14-2007, 02:30 AM

Welcome back Stu!! Where the H ya been?
...My "other" rep is the "other" Acciavitti (spelled slightly different) who, I believe, is a Dem. Time to blast him too???Yup, blast Frank too! :lol: Yes, he's a Dem, and former mayor of Eastpointe.

Daniel & Frank Acc... are related. I think Frank said distant cousins.

Roger

Thrindle

06-14-2007, 09:34 PM

Here's the reply from my representative:

June 13, 2007

Dear Mr. ______:

Thank you for taking the time to write me.

I will not support an expansion of the Concealed Weapons Law. We have too many guns available now which have resulted in the increase of shootings.

Sincerely,

Aldo Vagnozzi
State Representative
37th District

I'm actually surprised I got any response at all. Usually, he just ignores my letters. I sent a reply letter that was much more civil than it deserved. I wonder if he'll write again.

Samurai Jack

06-15-2007, 08:47 AM

Here's the reply from my representative:

I will not support an expansion of the Concealed Weapons Law. We have too many guns available now which have resulted in the increase of shootings.

Sincerely,

Aldo Vagnozzi
State Representative
37th District

:scratch:It's statements like this that make me wonder if the reps actually do represent the people that elected them. If people are writing in stating they want "x" but he's personally against it AND votes against it, he's not doing his job but there's no way to really quantify how these decisions are made if there isn't a recordable vote of the people.

gjgalligan

06-15-2007, 11:09 AM

fbuckner

06-15-2007, 04:57 PM

What the heck is that guy alking about. Another elected offical with his head up his A__!

Done Deal

06-15-2007, 09:15 PM

"we have too many guns available now"

I don't think I have too many and I wonder how many he has.

Just another example of folks that are ignorant of the facts still being able to run off at the mouth and adversely affect the lives of constituants...

Roger Roney

06-16-2007, 04:55 AM

...I have an idea.... Let's you and I, and others who want to join us, meet up next Sat at the cruise, and we'll "have a little talk" with him. :lol:...Anyone interested? With everything else I have going on, I forgot to make a follow up post.

I should be there sometime after 2. Best thing I can think of at this hour is to meet up near Andary's restuarant around 4 or 5. PM me with a cell # and I will co-ordinate meeting up, either to find/talk to Frank, or just socially.

I'd like to say I'd be easy to spot on the street, but having a fanny pak, carrying a camera, wearing jeans and the "official registered participent t-shirt," I don't think my "Jody Raffoul Band" logo ballcap is the "standout" anyone would notice. :lol:

Meanwhile, I'll make it a point to find and talk to Frank.

Roger

matto4785

06-16-2007, 01:29 PM

Wish I could come, but I have a graduation party to go too. If anyone talks to him, let us know what is said. It would be great to see him support it and even cosponsor if he is that willing.

Dan

06-20-2007, 02:49 PM

Super Trucker

07-08-2007, 09:34 PM

Anything new on this yet?

Tallbear

07-08-2007, 10:40 PM

Anything new on this yet?

Still waiting for it to come before committee.

Super Trucker

07-09-2007, 09:35 PM

Still waiting for it to come before committee.

thanks

mitunnelrat

08-19-2007, 11:32 PM

By all appearances this is dead in the water. Is that right?

Tallbear

08-20-2007, 07:57 AM

Most everything will be looked at after the budget is done.

To get this going in committee, we'll need another "push" from everyone to the committee members and your rep. Not sure when this will happen, but we'll let you know when as soon as we know.

appliancebrad

08-20-2007, 08:35 AM

By all appearances this is dead in the water. Is that right?

Look at what has been coming out of the legislature, pretty much nothing new. They are on summer recess right now, meeting only one day per week. There is a bunch of partisan shuffling going on over the budget and not much else. The good news is that the current Speaker of the House does not view gun rights as a partisan issue. We have one very pro gun Committee Chair, Joel Sheltrown over in Tourism and Natural Resources and one very anti gun Chair, Paul Condino in Judiciary. This bill is in Condino's committee.

Bear with us, we are working on some plans for similar legislation. It's early in the session yet, things will get going later this year. The Bill, in it's current form may be dead but the issue is not.

One of Many

08-20-2007, 03:02 PM

I just sent this letter to my representative.

Honorable Richard Ball;

I am asking you to consider cosponsoring a bill in the house that will benefit all citizens throughout the entire state, without any detrimental effects on any law abiding citizen. This bill is HB 4579, and it removes the restrictions that prevent law abiding citizens with concealed pistol licenses from carrying their defensive handguns in places like hospital parking lots, and other places where criminals seek to attack defenseless victims.

Criminals do not obey the laws that restrict where a CPL holder can carry; they seek out these locations to carry out their violent crimes, because they know that law abiding citizens have been disarmed by law, and are thus easy prey.

The bill would not change in any way the right of private property owners to post restrictions on handgun carry for their property; it would allow CPL holders the opportunity to defend themselves in public areas that are currently off limits under state law.

This bill would also eliminate the special status afforded police and private investigators, who are currently allowed to carry in these areas; all law abiding citizens with clean criminal records and proper training would now be equal in their right to defend their lives from violent attack, in the specified areas that are currently prohibited by law.

Law abiding citizens deserve to be allowed the right to defend themselves, whenever and wherever they are in a public place; criminals need to be put on notice that the safe locations they were using to attack victims will no longer be safe for them.

mitunnelrat

08-20-2007, 09:57 PM

Ok, I knew nothing about this until I stumbled on it here. I've only recently gained any interest in our legislation so I apologize if that sounded rough. Please bear with me also as I figure out how things operate.

acetcruiser

08-21-2007, 12:05 AM

Am i wrong? BUt i thought parking areas of restricted place where legal to carry in ?

Found this...

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above in 1 through 8.

fbuckner

08-21-2007, 12:53 AM

Parking areas are legal to carry in but schools dont get out with it on your side. Lock it up before you leave the car.

NickS

08-21-2007, 09:08 AM

Am i wrong? BUt i thought parking areas of restricted place where legal to carry in ?

Found this...

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above in 1 through 8.

Read it again. Premises does NOT INCLUDE parking areas ...

One of Many

08-22-2007, 10:27 AM

The big question about parking areas is whether the firearm must be confined to the interior of the vehicle; you can leave it in the vehicle, but can you carry in a holster until you get to the entrance of the premises, and what do you do with it when you reach the entrance?

Hospital parking lots are a rich hunting ground for career criminals, since the law prohibits a CPL holder from carrying concealed in the hospital, and few (if any) hospitals provide a secure gun storage facility for patients or visitors. The other question might be, if concealed carry is not permitted in the CEZ, does the law allow OPEN carry there?

Leader

08-22-2007, 01:17 PM

The law prohibiting open carry in a Hospital doesn't apply if you have a CPL. It's the same as carrying in a bank other then the Fed. Reserve banks.
Your CPL prohibits CONCEALED carry in Hospitals but doesn't actually address open carry.
In MOST states, Hospital carry is OK.

Garbo

08-22-2007, 02:15 PM

if concealed carry is not permitted in the CEZ, does the law allow OPEN carry there?

Michigan firearm laws has a list of so called "gun free" or "no carry" zones as well which pretty much mirror the CPL laws. Jim has posted here ones about 2-3 months ago, I'll try to find the thread.

Leader

08-22-2007, 04:40 PM

This what you were looking for Garbo ?

Open Carrying/Exposed Firearms

Michigan prohibits the carrying of a handgun, concealed or unconcealed, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person. Mich. Comp. Laws § 750.227(2). This restriction does not apply to concealed handgun licensees. Section 750.231a(1)(a).

Michigan also prohibits the possession of a firearm, whether concealed or unconcealed, on the premises of any:

Depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution;
(Read... Any Bank or Credit Union.)

Church or other house of religious worship;

Court;

Theatre;

Sports arena;

Day care center;

Hospital; or

Establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Control Act.
( Does this include liquor stores????)

Section 750.234d(1).

These particular location restrictions do not apply to any person licensed to carry a concealed handgun. Section 750.234d(2)(c). For handgun possession restrictions that do apply to concealed weapons licensees, see the "Location Limits" subsection under "Concealed Weapons Licensing Requirements," below.

Under Michigan Administrative Code r. 432.1212, no person may carry a firearm in a casino.