Locked Bucks

[Garbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXnHydH4mV8


wow, not exactly ethicle but that would have been interesting to see. One or both may have died anyway tho.

[fbuckner]

Bot that is illegal if done here in Michigan

[art]

What is illegal about it?
Not very sporting- I wouldn't have the head mounted or anything, though it saved them from a long unpleasant death.

[fbuckner]

cant shoot a deer in the water!!! I agree it would save them both from a horrible death more likely from being weakened and eaten alive by coyotes. but non the less in this fair state tis illegal just like a fish undersized that swallowed a hook. I hate to catch a pike thru the ice to small have it bleed all over and die but ya cant eat the damn thing otherwise the swamp nazi's will hang ya out to dry.

[RSF]

Actually it is legal to shoot them in the water as long as they arent swimming.

creeks and streams marshes are ok. but no swimming deer... if they can walk thery are legal to take.


but not if they are swimming.

[TFin04]

It's probably best to take both of them at that point, is it not?

The guy who shot the video said his friend shot one and his dad took the other. Sounds legal, depending on their state.

It isn't sporting, no, but that was probably the best thing for them when tangled up like that.

[Garbo]

Well my take is that it is unethicle to say try and take two deer with one shot and essentially thats what you'd be doing here. And really it would be retrieve the one safely without having to shoot the other. Now practically,,, there was more than one hunter there and I'm sure more than one available tag. I agree with the above post and I honestly dont have a problem with that.

[fbuckner]

Nothing in the DNR books say swimming it says water. You try it with a CO standing there and let us know how the walk home was after they have taken your truck,gun and wallet. The one fella covering this area would have you tied in knots over that.

[RSF]

No he wouldnt cause i have called Dan, on this before....

2 its very legal to shoot them in water because we went through this after a hunt was filmed here in mi were nice buck was shot standing in water ankle deep and aired some mis informed on this called and wrote also and we aired the segment with the Dnr. and it was aired on fred trost show and on mucc.
and it has also been questioned many times on Ms board were it has been answered by he Dnr there as well. and it has been questioned by another this in one of the hunters ed camps i taught and the Co's there even stated yes legal

[RifleGuy]

No he wouldnt cause i have called Dan, on this before....

2 its very legal to shoot them in water because we went through this after a hunt was filmed here in mi were nice buck was shot standing in water ankle deep and aired some mis informed on this called and wrote also and we aired the segment with the Dnr. and it was aired on fred trost show and on mucc.
and it has also been questioned many times on Ms board were it has been answered by he Dnr there as well. and it has been questioned by another this in one of the hunters ed camps i taught and the Co's there even stated yes legal


Wow. :etoh:
Um, I'm gonna be a bit of a jerk here, and I haven't done this in quite a while, but you have overloaded my poor little mind. I promise I'm not going to be doing this all the time, but this one really calls for comment.
I've read your post 3 times and I think I have decoded most of it. Did you read what you typed? I know you think you know what you typed, but good Lord, did you actually read it?

For starters, when you began the second paragraph with a "2", the casual reader almost expects there to be a "1" somewhere previous to the "2."

Throw a few more "ands" in there also, you might be able to squeeze a couple in.

The random capitalization and punctuation adds a degree of difficulty, nice curve; "keep 'em guessing!"

Very legal? Either it's legal or it's not, the use of the word very is inappropriate.

after a hunt was filmed here in mi were nice buck was shot standing in water ankle deep and aired some mis informed on this called and wrote also and we aired the segment with the Dnr. and it was aired on fred trost show and on mucc. :shock:

What? Something about a nice buck in Michigan, standing ankle deep in water, and a bit about Fred Trost. Nothing really streams together here in a coherent fashion.

I could go on, but then I really would be pushing the limit.

Maybe edit this so it's intelligible? If you're in that big of a hurry, just wait until you have the time to proof read your submission before you post it; your point is easier to understand and has a bit more credibility.

I apologize for being a jerk, but this is almost impossible to comprehend.

[fbuckner]

Dan who? not the Officer that wrote a ticket to a hick hanging over the river in a treestand on the stateland down below last year he shot a deer in the water standing and got a nice ticket. If your talking about the DNR officer DAN who USED to live up near us in wiggans rd but 2 years ago was transfered out of here. Better yet where does the DNR officer live that covers liv county now? We have one officer covering 2 1/2 counties now.

[RSF]

he lives closer to me.... wont say on open board but he is close in a new subdivision

not the same guy im sure. il lhave the letter from the Dnr. I re[requested it} Lt Boher has answered this one many times as well on <MS board as well.

[RSF]

check page 36 of your guide

also http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213903

[Roger Roney]

....Wow. :etoh:
Um, I'm gonna be a bit of a jerk here, and I haven't done this in quite a while, but you have overloaded my poor little mind....
...but this is almost impossible to comprehend.:rofl: That's 'cause you're relatively new here. Steve/Deputy/RSF is a great guy, just takes a while to understand his writing. Thank goodness we got him to turn off "CAPS LOCK" a while ago! :lol: :lol: Give it a while and you'll be understanding "Deputy speak" with no problem. :lol:

Oh yea, don't feel bad, as fluent as I am with his writing, I did get tripped up on this one a bit. :lol:

Roger

[RifleGuy]

:rofl: That's 'cause you're relatively new here. Steve/Deputy/RSF is a great guy, just takes a while to understand his writing. Thank goodness we got him to turn off "CAPS LOCK" a while ago! :lol: :lol: Give it a while and you'll be understanding "Deputy speak" with no problem. :lol:
Roger
Being completely honest; I write well (when I take the time...) but when I speak I tend to come across like a hybrid of Floyd the barber, (from the old Andy Griffith Show) Porky Pig & Sylvester the Cat.

Oh yeah, I'm a public speaking phenom!

Sigh.

(Deputy? Great. There goes my driving record...)

[RifleGuy]

But, I am very interested in clarification of this point, and I appreciate these gentlemen pursuing this.
Now if I can just find two bucks with their antlers locked together while standing in an ankle-deep creek. Or crick.
(Trivia Note: Patrick McManus once wrote that the difference between a creek and a crick is approximately two cows. Good distinction!)

[art]

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10366_37141_37704_37707-31427--,00.html
Harm or harass a deer or bear when it is swimming in a stream, river, pond, lake or other waterbody.

[fbuckner]

The DNR officer for Liv county lives inthe southern part of the county.

[RSF]

I have been to dan's prince house last last year unless he moved, Ill have to call him and find out if he is still
but yes anyhow its legal .

[Rolex Dr.]

But, I am very interested in clarification of this point, and I appreciate these gentlemen pursuing this.
Now if I can just find two bucks with their antlers locked together while standing in an ankle-deep creek. Or crick.
(Trivia Note: Patrick McManus once wrote that the difference between a creek and a crick is approximately two cows. Good distinction!)


gotta love McManus great stuff


oh yea PS if its questionable why video it??

JD

[fbuckner]

Ok this may not be questionable !! but a few years ago a world famous hunter Dan Fitgerald got hammered by recording a hunt of elk out west. When that states DNR reviewed the tape it was found due to the surroundings and foliage of the fauna in the vidoe that the animal was taken out of season. Even the self proclaimed experts dont know it all. Last year at a fur sale the buyers turned away a whole lot of fur that was taken out of season. They could tell by the coloration of the skin even before looking at the fur itself. So in a nutshell just because the vidoe it doesnt mean they are all to bright.

[Garbo]

My thought was that there was no way to take one without having to take the other. The rule that applied I thought may be the same as if you were to line up a shot with another in the line of fire. Putting two animals in parrell type thing. I guess if you had two hunters with tags it could be done that way. I dont necessarily have a problem with it. One or both may have died anyway.

[fbuckner]

Yea now that you say it unless they had a combo tag here in michigan if he shot one he would almost have to shoot the other so he wouldnt get harmed. If they didnt have a combo and shot the other went into town to get a tag he would deserve a ticket.

[RSF]

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Subject
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Is it legal to take deer during season, with them standing in water ie stream...


Discussion Thread
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Response (Law Specialist) - 12/18/2007 12:45 PM
It would be legal to take a deer just standing in water. It becomes illegal
when they are swimming.

Customer (steve ) - 12/17/2007 08:04 AM
Is it legal to take deer during season, with them standing in water ie stream
creek marsh river as long as the water isnt deep or they are swimming depth
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Question Reference #071217-000001
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[Garbo]

Thanks RSF,, takes the grey area out of the ????

[fbuckner]

Great thanks for the clarification. I wonder what would have happened if one was a bad guy deer the other a good guy deer and you pulled out the pper spray to break up the tussle. LOL

[RSF]

Lol verbal judo then up the force ladder we go ,