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JACK48461
04-10-2014, 09:05 AM
Terrible idea I know I royally F-ed up. I have always had plugs and carry them in my dry box. The problem was when we got out there I was out and no one had spares. I didnt shoot a whole hell of alot i stood off to the side. We were outside shooting and now I have a ringing in my left ear and the hearing is a little muffled. Has anyone experienced this & does it go away after time ? Yes i know it was dumb and i already ordered a reusable molded set this week and also bought a 50 pack of foam disposibles to thro back in box. Has anyone experienced this and know if it will go away. Its not painfull and the hearing gets better day by day but does the ring go away? Let me know your experience and how long it lasted

pkuptruck
04-10-2014, 09:25 AM
you achieved hearing loss! Congratulations!

99 of 100 times it is forever... the ringing and loss of hearing is tinitus.. sometimes it might heal, or lessen over time.

if your lucky..

on the bright side....it probably wont get WORSE... probably..

teecro
04-10-2014, 09:30 AM
The ringing is a sign of hearing damage, it will heal but you will/have lost a tiny bit of hearing and over time it all adds up....

dragonGTR
04-10-2014, 09:41 AM
The tinitus is pretty much forever. It will lessen a bit and you will get used to it and learn to cope with it.

But we must all pay for our mistakes, welcome to your penance.

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sca037
04-10-2014, 10:29 AM
I learned the hard way when I was young, went to the Winston 400 Nascar race at MIS with no hearing protection.

You can believe that I got some kleenex stuffed in my ears post haste ;^D

For shooting, we have many pairs of these lightweight folding active muffs;
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397143689&sr=8-1&keywords=howard+leight+sport

Brian

somebody
04-10-2014, 10:42 AM
I already had tinnitus from playing the drums too much without hearing protection in my younger days, so now when people rag on me for doubling up with plugs and muffs, I just briefly explain that to them.

Having had tinnitus for at least ten years now though, I will say that I almost never notice it unless I'm laying wide awake at night and everything else is silent. I usually play some music or run a fan quietly for some white noise and it's a lot better than the ringing.

Skootr
04-10-2014, 12:31 PM
I always double up on indoor ranges. Outdoor I just use active muffs unless there is some really big guns going off.

pkuptruck
04-10-2014, 01:24 PM
WHAT??

45 acp
04-10-2014, 06:11 PM
Not sure how old you are but I did this as a regular thing back in my in my young and dumb days.
The ringing will go away and the muffled hearing will get better. How ever you have done some permanent damage to your hearing.
when you get into your 50's you wont be able hear worth a damn and will need need hearing aids.
If you are in your 30;s or older you may have the ringing permantly

langenc
04-10-2014, 07:14 PM
Dont worry 'it is only a 22 I have been told. The same to young fellows later related that the "usually shoot a 44" w/ no protection (twice as loud??).

I recall back in high school days shooting 25 or so trap without protection. Im sure that that started it. Later it was lawnmowers and chainsaws in the 70's-yuk. If yopu use a leaf blower make sure to have muffs. It is soon to be the season and they are extremely bad.

JACK48461
04-10-2014, 08:53 PM
Im 28 and this is the first hearing issue ive ever had its been 4 days and the hearing has gotten better but the ring is there

One of Many
04-11-2014, 07:01 AM
The ringing usually goes away after several days, or may even take a few weeks depending on the severity of the damage. You could have permanent ringing if the damage was severe enough, but unless your head was very close to the muzzle when it discharged it should eventually clear up. I have had a small number of exposures to gunshots when I did not have hearing protection, and had to endure the ringing as a result, but it did subside for me.

With that being said, I do have a problem hearing conversations when in a crowd of people that are all talking (may be age related). My hearing shows slight loss, not enough to warrant hearing aids, yet I can not understand someone speaking to me when the crowd noise is high. I hear well enough in one on one situations in a quiet room, and often reduce the volume of the TV after my wife goes to bed, and she claims to have good hearing.

I usually use hearing protection in the form of muffs, or doubled up with plugs and muffs when shooting indoors. I do not use the electronic muffs, as they do not have as high a Noise Reduction Rating (NRR) as standard muffs. Shop around and you can find muffs with NRR of 28-31, and adding plugs usually adds about 5 dB more reduction. Electronic muffs are usually closer to a NRR of 20.

MI-1911
04-11-2014, 07:13 AM
When I was in my teens, a guy next to me at a public range, fired a .30-06 before the range was hot. I didn't have my hearing protection on at that moment. I couldn't barely hear in my left ear for weeks, and my right ear was not 100%. It slowly recovered over five years. I was lucky!

tyler79durdan
04-11-2014, 09:18 AM
Just the other day I was shaking a lighter @ my right ear and listening for the swish of fluid. I could hear the swishing and bubbling of the fluid inside the lighter with vivid clarity. I somehow switched hands and instinctively shook it @ my left ear... It was empty! Wait... EMPTY? Right ear again, FULL... Left ear = empty... I never really realized how bad my hearing was until just a few days ago. I knew I had damaged hearing when switching sides on my pillow and hearing ambient noise and the lack thereof.

Respect your body!

I am 35...

JACK48461
04-11-2014, 10:07 AM
Yea all was good til the .223 went off and 30-06 my right ear seems fine and im crossing fingers left comes back even if i have some loss i did get a reusable set of plugs now and stocked the box w tons of disposibles to be safe. Threw a few in each gun box aswell. Bc this ***** sucks a##. It for sure seems to get a touch better each day just not the ring yet.

intheburbs
04-11-2014, 10:31 AM
Don't mess around with your hearing. I have tinnitus so bad that I can't sleep in a quiet room - the ringing just gets louder and louder. My hearing is good, but the ringing can drive me insane at times. You show up at the range and have no plugs? Get some, or go home. Get in the habit. You're 28, and probably still think you're invincible. Don't do it. Tinnitus sucks. Trust me.

45 acp
04-11-2014, 02:09 PM
Don't mess around with your hearing. I have tinnitus so bad that I can't sleep in a quiet room - the ringing just gets louder and louder. My hearing is good, but the ringing can drive me insane at times. You show up at the range and have no plugs? Get some, or go home. Get in the habit. You're 28, and probably still think you're invincible. Don't do it. Tinnitus sucks. Trust me.

I glad it is getting better.
Listen to the older guys that shot with out plugs in their younger years.
We all thought we were invincible when we were in our 20's now that we are in our 50's & 60's we are finding out we were not as invincible as we thought.

cmr19xx
04-11-2014, 02:43 PM
This thread made me think of a few things I've always wondered about.

1. For those of you who were in the military in combat (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, etc.), what impact has that had on your hearing? I'm assuming, the use of hearing protection in combat is limited (I could be wrong).

2. How many people use hearing protection when hunting? I do a fair amount of small game and upland hunting and to a lesser extent I hunt deer, coyote and turkey. I've never worn any hunting. If I'm next to someone who's going to take a shot deer or turkey hunting, I'll plug my ears, but if I'm the shooter I don't have anything.

kdogg
04-11-2014, 10:41 PM
True story...

Went to the range with a buddy one time and he forgot ear pro. I had my muffs with me so I had no extra plugs. My buddy took his .45, buried one of this ears into a shoulder, plugged the other ear with a finger and popped two .45ACP's into the hill. Hey then re-holstered, picked up the brass and said "ear plugs".

I gave it a try and it works VERY well. Way better than hearing damage.

JACK48461
04-12-2014, 07:21 AM
Yea i for sure learned a life lesson on this one. I went in to have a hearing test done last night. Both ear drums working perfect . Right side is 100% on my hearing. But left side is pretty much tone deff. Out of 30 tones they have me listen for heard them all on the right only heard 4 on the left. They told me good luck reffered a specialist and said only time will help but don't get to optimistic.

1-2many
04-13-2014, 11:08 AM
I've had tinnitus since my late teens (bouncing at night clubs and concerts.) At first, I thought I'd go nuts with the ringing. You eventually get use to it but as mentioned, I only hear it in the still of the night with no other noise in the room. I have slept with a fan on ever since for some white noise. I can still hear really well, just have the constant ringing for over 20 years now. I double up hearing protection at the range...indoor or out.

Ender_1524
04-15-2014, 09:28 PM
I have only shot without ear plugs 1 time and it was the last. I only had to fire off 2 rounds to realized that was a dumb move.

JACK48461
04-17-2014, 06:56 AM
Well its been 11 days now still have the ringing but the hearing is i'd say 80% i can hear well for the most part but certain noises aren't as crisp as the other side hears.

DEVIL DOG
04-17-2014, 10:37 AM
After a tour in the Corps, ( no hearing protection ) & 30 years in an assembly plant ( no hearing protection ), my favorite word is now WHAT???
Harder to come by nowadays, but cigarette butts make a good emergency hearing plug.

DevDoc
04-20-2014, 09:43 PM
I did the same thing with my Glock 17 and wow was that a shocker. It took about a day to clear up.

Budget
04-21-2014, 06:18 AM
I popped off one round of my M&P 9 without ear protection and I now put earplugs in my pocket as part of my EDC. I don't think I'll have time to access them life or death but it can't hurt and weigh about the same as the air in my coin pocket.

bolonytony24
04-21-2014, 07:31 AM
I was out to family farm and did some rifle shooting a while back and my brother decided to pop off some rounds with our .45 so I was game . shot about 100 rds each with 1911 and we were both using "what" and hearing ringing on the ride back . I've shot skeet , target with shotguns for years without any issues . but I will be shooting with some sort of hearing protection from now on if it's more than hunting or shooting a few rounds. the ringing only lasted a few hours, I it's been 11 days you should probably have them checked if you have not already.

shifty_85
04-21-2014, 07:48 AM
i can shoot 12 gauge's all day long with no ear protection. not all the loud. my Mosin nagant isnt too bad. my 1911 kind of cracks. any .223 rifle is not fun with no ears. my .308 isnt to bad thoe.

langenc
04-27-2014, 04:11 PM
True story...

Went to the range with a buddy one time and he forgot ear pro. I had my muffs with me so I had no extra plugs. My buddy took his .45, buried one of this ears into a shoulder, plugged the other ear with a finger and popped two .45ACP's into the hill. Hey then re-holstered, picked up the brass and said "ear plugs".

I gave it a try and it works VERY well. Way better than hearing damage.

Anything is better than nothing. Get a ggood pair of muffs, as noted around 29-30 and ALWAYS wear em, shooting, snowblower, leaf blower, all other machined yard equip. You dont think it bothers but hearing loss is additive--over the years. How many above said they have tinnitis??Add one more, me, from all of the above, little by little, on and on and on.....like time marching on..

For all those saying "been doing it for year w/ no problems" (#27 above)--it was happening it is ADDITIVE over the years.

ozzman104
04-27-2014, 05:19 PM
In the Army if we forgot our earplugs we would put 5.56 brass in our ears. Fit pretty good

Cocowheats
04-30-2014, 04:27 PM
I almost always double up...I'm also that guy that wears plugs in really loud movie theaters and during any live music.

I gave up caring if people poke fun at me for wearing plugs in a a bar during live music or other "silly" situations...screw them; it's worth it.

I was told by a police instructor to pop off a round here or their with out ear protection to make myself more prepared for a defensive shooting situation...so one day I decided I'd try it with a Ruger 22/45. Never again! Even .22s are too loud!!

JACK48461
05-02-2014, 06:20 AM
Yea i know find myself w plugs in the cars incase we go somewhere loud and i where them when I run my impact in the garage now except my one new one its really quite. So I may buy the big quiet one now 2 so I dont have to. But the hearing i gotta say is 85% in my left ear again but the ring never skips a beat still the same tone and level off loudness as day 1. I will for sure be wearing plugs as i mow this summer to bc i have to ride that zero turn for over a hour at a time with the motor right behind my head .

ChaneyD
05-02-2014, 06:58 AM
In the Army if we forgot our earplugs we would put 5.56 brass in our ears. Fit pretty good

You were issued plugs in the Army?

ozzman104
05-02-2014, 02:25 PM
You were issued plugs in the Army?
Yup, in 2003 at Ft Benning we were. They were in a little case and hung from our BDU jacket.

Later on I got some good earplugs to keep in my uniform pocket.

amontana086
05-02-2014, 05:23 PM
In the Army if we forgot our earplugs we would put 5.56 brass in our ears. Fit pretty good
:laugh: I wanna see it.

westcliffe01
05-02-2014, 08:53 PM
I have done this in combat. If you get 30 or 100 guys all shooting at the same time, and add outgoing and incoming mortar fire, you sure do need hearing protection and a couple of live bullets stuck primer side first in the ears sure helps a LOT. Just fired brass is too HOT and you can't wait for it to cool....


In the Army if we forgot our earplugs we would put 5.56 brass in our ears. Fit pretty good

Freq18Hz
05-07-2014, 02:33 PM
Yea all was good til the .223 went off and 30-06 my right ear seems fine and im crossing fingers left comes back even if i have some loss i did get a reusable set of plugs now and stocked the box w tons of disposibles to be safe. Threw a few in each gun box aswell. Bc this ***** sucks a##. It for sure seems to get a touch better each day just not the ring yet.


It never comes back.

Your ear has a curled up membrane called the cochlea. Inside the membrane is a bunch of tiny little cillia called Basilar Hairs. They are surrounded by fluid. This little hairs are extremely sensitive to vibration, and when they vibrate they transmit electrical signals to your brain. The reason you are hearing ringing is because you have knocked these little hairs down, and they are now ON. They will never stand up again, you have damaged your hearing. Your brain may normalize to your new reduced sensitivity, and filter these messages out for you, but you will never get it back.

-Freq18hz

twodogsanme
05-07-2014, 07:56 PM
I have read that High blood preasure and the drugs you take for it will cause tinnitus . I am taking drugs to control my blood preasure and if I miss my pills for what ever reason the ringing im my ears will be louder . And if I get my preasure down the ringing goes down . Just thought Id pass this along .

JACK48461
08-12-2014, 07:54 AM
Well it's been months now & the ring has dulled down to not be to annoying but i do use plugs all the time even when using a hammer in the shop at work or mowing the grass those blue tooth ear buds for when i mow dull the mower out and i get a little music but id stick with saying the hearing is maybe 85% compared to the right ear. I've gave up on hoping it'll come back and excepted the dumb ass mistake and making sure no futher damage is done.

jb85
08-18-2014, 07:30 PM
There's a supplement called ring stop that I have heard of some people trying, but I believe this will be something you deal with forever. I have messed around being a young dumb kid and used wads of napkin from my glove box to dull the noise, but I am a stickler for using proper ear pro now for this very reason.

Sniper21
09-27-2014, 04:34 PM
Thats a horrible idea! I would of bought some or not shot.

I usually double up. Plugs in from surefire and I have the bigger over the ears protection. Can never been too safe. I don't really care about hearing people all that much. I'm there to shoot, not talk.

A J
06-27-2015, 04:36 PM
Sometimes you get tinitus from nothing. A few years ago, I got off a plane in Europe and suddenly my left ear started ringing. It's been ringing ever since. I can only hear it when it's very quiet and fortunately, it doesn't bother me like it does some other people.

CircuitRider
06-28-2015, 05:38 AM
Sometimes you get tinitus from nothing. A few years ago, I got off a plane in Europe and suddenly my left ear started ringing. It's been ringing ever since. I can only hear it when it's very quiet and fortunately, it doesn't bother me like it does some other people.
Do you know what a necropost is?

Leader
06-28-2015, 07:23 AM
Do you know what a necropost is?

Oh come on now... This thread wasn't even a year old yet.

Jeep olllllo
06-30-2015, 01:39 PM
Over at Beretta forum, they have a pretty cool feature. When you attempt to reply to an ancient post, you will see a small yellow banner telling you that the post is old. You will still be allowed to post, but it sort of throws it in your face so you are aware of the fact that the topic is probably dead.

somecrazygreek
07-01-2015, 11:05 AM
A few years ago when a psycho walked into my shop with an AK and let loose, I had the pleasure of hearing a bunch of 7.62 rounds going off 3 feet from my head. Ears rang for a good 8 months but I don't notice it anymore. Probably caused a bit of damage that I haven't noticed.

JohnJak
07-06-2015, 04:46 PM
Selective hearing works.

It works for me listening to the better half.

JGant
07-11-2015, 09:20 AM
sure hope the OP did propriate any kids ....

kdogg
09-26-2015, 02:58 PM
I just got an Mk18 10.3" AR upper and we took it to the range this past week. I was wearing plugs and shooting under the covering at Rose Lake Gun Range out near Lansing and my ears were ringing with plugs in.

I can't get over how loud a 10.3" barrel is under a cover. Wasn't even indoors, just a covered roof. I will be buying some low profile electronic muffs.

DP425
09-26-2015, 03:13 PM
I just got an Mk18 10.3" AR upper and we took it to the range this past week. I was wearing plugs and shooting under the covering at Rose Lake Gun Range out near Lansing and my ears were ringing with plugs in.

I can't get over how loud a 10.3" barrel is under a cover. Wasn't even indoors, just a covered roof. I will be buying some low profile electronic muffs.

Electronic muffs over plugs. Most plugs (and even muffs) alone don't reduce the sound low enough for it to really be hearing safe. Better than going without, but not 100%. Plugs with electronic muffs is a good combination.

solarguy
09-26-2015, 08:47 PM
A form 1 lets you build a suppressor. A form 4 lets you buy a suppressor. Safer for you, and safer for everybody around you. Nicer for your neighbors in the country.

Sometimes, just the muffler is enough, some calibers you still need plugs.

Suppressed subsonic .22 is a hoot and a half.




What's your hearing worth really?

intheburbs
09-27-2015, 08:30 PM
Tenthumbs was shooting his 7.5" AR pistol today - said it rang his bell pretty good.

Doubling up is the only way to go.

tenthumbs
09-28-2015, 08:39 AM
Tenthumbs was shooting his 7.5" AR pistol today - said it rang his bell pretty good.

Doubling up is the only way to go.

WHAT ?! I only shot 15 rounds too...I thought my ears were bleeding with just electronic muffs. I'll definitely double up next time!

After I left the rifle range I stopped at the pistol range where intheburbs was shooting his 500 S&W pistol..it sounded like a pop gun in comparison.

MLG
10-02-2015, 11:44 PM
True story. I have hearing loss and tinitis. I was tested a few years ago to re-evaluate the hearing loss. The Dr told me that my hearing was a bit worse than previous and that I probably had a hard tme hearing women an children. I said "I am okay with that, it's the important stuff that I'm afraid I am missing."

langenc
10-04-2015, 08:46 PM
Get your kids/grandkids in the habit now--muffs-at the range, when mowing lawn, and esp leaf blowing. Any kind of noise esp close should have muffs==ALWAYS.

Nmadole
10-04-2015, 09:27 PM
Went to the range yesterday, there was a family of 6 there ... none of the kids were wearing ear pro ... I had to warn them that they are going to need ear pro when I start shooting ....

abear2354
12-25-2015, 09:05 PM
Welcome to the land of tinitus. One day 4+ years ago i shot without ear plugs and the ringing hasnt stopped yet.

Bogartis
12-25-2015, 10:00 PM
I always shoot without earplugs. WHAT? Can't hear you. WHAT?

TylerV76
12-25-2015, 10:06 PM
Loss of hearing can be the key to a lasting marriage...

JGant
12-26-2015, 06:03 PM
Do you have any children ...???




True story...

Went to the range with a buddy one time and he forgot ear pro. I had my muffs with me so I had no extra plugs. My buddy took his .45, buried one of this ears into a shoulder, plugged the other ear with a finger and popped two .45ACP's into the hill. Hey then re-holstered, picked up the brass and said "ear plugs".

I gave it a try and it works VERY well. Way better than hearing damage.

donald150
12-26-2015, 06:25 PM
Yup, in 2003 at Ft Benning we were. They were in a little case and hung from our BDU jacket.

Later on I got some good earplugs to keep in my uniform pocket.

They may have went to the brown and yellow ones but mine were orange like these. I still have at least a couple pair.
40076



I have a slight ringing and some hearing loss but not too bad. I was told during my last physical that none of it was in the spectrum of speech so no big deal.
I once fired a Remington nail gun (that uses the 22 blanks) into a concrete wall near the corner. I had muffled hearing and ringing for several days.

Sir sig
12-26-2015, 10:06 PM
Get your kids/grandkids in the habit now--muffs-at the range, when mowing lawn, and esp leaf blowing. Any kind of noise esp close should have muffs==ALWAYS.

Yes, yes, yes. That cannot be stressed enough.

I carry disposable earplugs as well as muffs in my range bag at all times. I wear hearing protection for everything from shooting to power tools to mowing the lawn.

Of course my hearing has already suffered from my young and dumb days, mostly rock concerts. I have tinnitus now and the constant ringing is enough to make a fella mad (and I don't mean angry), well that too. :scratch:

partdeux
12-27-2015, 07:17 PM
Yes, yes, yes. That cannot be stressed enough.

in case anybody doesn't know, hearing aids, good ones are very expensive.

solarguy
12-27-2015, 11:24 PM
in case anybody doesn't know, hearing aids, good ones are very expensive.

$5,000 for a pair is mid-level, nothing special. And you still don't hear right...

Leader
12-28-2015, 08:23 AM
$5,000 for a pair is mid-level, nothing special. And you still don't hear right...

And they need to be replaced in a year or two.

Pond Scum
12-28-2015, 08:49 AM
Do you know what a necropost is?

I'n glad he brought this back up.... this thread is a great reminder for all of us.

teecro
12-28-2015, 09:10 AM
in case anybody doesn't know, hearing aids, good ones are very expensive.

And cheap ones are not very good either....

Was at a McD for breakfast not long ago in rural KY and could not help but overhear the local breakfast club talking about this and that.
During their conversation one of them several times says "WHAT?"...
I found it rather funny when he later commented about using cheap hearing aids and that they worked just fine...

partdeux
12-28-2015, 09:51 AM
And cheap ones are not very good either....

Was at a McD for breakfast not long ago in rural KY and could not help but overhear the local breakfast club talking about this and that.
During their conversation one of them several times says "WHAT?"...
I found it rather funny when he later commented about using cheap hearing aids and that they worked just fine...
I went with mid priced hearing aids. My father in law went with the cheapest ones he could find. Mine have the ability to provide some isolation in a crowded room. We go to a restaurant that is even the slightest busy, and he's totally lost.

Chuckr9
01-25-2016, 04:56 PM
Very good reminder - I now double up at the range!

bernokarl
01-26-2016, 05:30 PM
Thees http://www.uline.com/BL_954/3M-EAR-Classic I worked in a metal machine shop where the cutting of metal became very intense , These harder foam plugs inserted into ear correctly work big time

Drummer
02-04-2016, 02:11 PM
Always use ear plugs.. or head phones, unless you are in a serious situation... Don't pull our ear plugs for that.. haha

ninjatoth
02-07-2016, 01:34 PM
I'll fire an occasional 9mm or .38 without any ear protection(but never magnums or multiple rounds), simple to keep myself aware of what they sound like so i'm not thrown off mentally if I ever had to use a gun in self defense. I know that experts say that the perceived sound is almost non existent in a high stress defensive situation, but I figure that knowing as much as possible with what i'm dealing with is always an advantage, as long as I don't damage myself in the process. My brother is an audiologist, and he swears up and down that it's constant sound or repeating constant sound that does the actual damage such as working in a factory, not short bursts of sound like gunshots or loud music for a few minutes, sure you could blow your ear drum if too loud but a shot here or there or a single shot in hunting season is no big deal, and a knowing what to expect is good thing.

bae125
02-07-2016, 03:33 PM
Thees http://www.uline.com/BL_954/3M-EAR-Classic I worked in a metal machine shop where the cutting of metal became very intense , These harder foam plugs inserted into ear correctly work big time

Bit of an aside, the yellow 3M classics are my all time favorite for work. Being around jets all day I'm still surprised at the number of other pilots that will go wandering around a busy ramp without ears in. And no one ever seems to make a connection to all the old guys around saying "what was that" all the time. I have some high-freq loss from the job, I can't get that back, but I never hesitate to take a sec to pop in ear plugs now.

For shooting I always double up. It's just not worth it.

langenc
02-08-2016, 07:56 PM
I just got an Mk18 10.3" AR upper and we took it to the range this past week. I was wearing plugs and shooting under the covering at Rose Lake Gun Range out near Lansing and my ears were ringing with plugs in.

I can't get over how loud a 10.3" barrel is under a cover. Wasn't even indoors, just a covered roof. I will be buying some low profile electronic muffs.

You have to watch those ranges that have the front covering too long. It kicks all that noise right into you.

#1Gunner
02-12-2016, 04:42 PM
So what then when you get into a self defense shooting you are guaranteed to lose your hearing? WTF

solarguy
02-12-2016, 05:29 PM
Yes, that is a real possibility. But, you know, suppressors...just sayin...

canman
03-02-2016, 12:34 PM
Silencers are now legal in Michigan fyi