SB 0963,0964,0965,0966 definition of firearm

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-SB-0963)
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 6/2/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY




SB 0964 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-SB-0964)
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 6/2/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY




SB 0965 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-SB-0965)
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 6/2/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY




SB 0966 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-SB-0966)
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503).
Last Action: 6/2/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

[Roundballer]

It looks like they are trying to get air rifle/pistols out of the firearms category. But they have it screwed up.

The dropped "gas" from most places, but not all.

They keep referring to propelled by explosive, but the only propellent that is an explosive is black powder. They really need to work on this to get it right, I don't think that this is going any where.

When I opened this up and saw the "definition of a firearm", my hopes rose that the were going the address the OAL problem. Not happening yet.

[Nic]

This part bugs me a little:


(4) A PERSON LESS THAN 18 YEARS OF AGE SHALL NOT POSSESS A WEAPON DESIGNED AND MANUFACTURED TO FIRE A PROJECTILE BY MEANS OF SPRING, GAS, OR AIR UNLESS HE OR SHE IS ACCOMPANIED BY A PERSON 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER OR HE OR SHE POSSESSES A HUNTING LICENSE.


So a kid can't have a Red Ryder BB Gun? Or is a BB gun not considered a weapon?

[Divegeek]

It does appear to make it illegal for a person under 18 to possess a BB/pellet/airsoft gun. What it does seem to solve is the whole pellet guns with integral sound suppressors weirdness due to the different definitions of "firearm".

Still up in the air is how a coilgun or railgun would be treated under Michigan law. For those who don't know what those are you can follow this link to get a good idea. http://www.doityourselfgadgets.com/2013/10/homemade-railgun.html
Basically a gun that uses magnetism to propel a projectile.

[Tallbear]

This part bugs me a little:



So a kid can't have a Red Ryder BB Gun? Or is a BB gun not considered a weapon?

The age requirement is being correct (removed).

[Tallbear]

COMMITTEE: Judiciary



DATE: Thursday, June 12, 2014



TIME: 9:00 a.m.



PLACE: Room 110, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933



PHONE: Tony Mosesso (373-5323)

Committee Clerk





AGENDA

SB 866 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing; crimes against elder adults; increase penalties for certain crimes against a person

over 65 years of age.



SB 867 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; sentencing guidelines for elder adult abuse; provide for.



SB 963 Sen. Hildenbrand Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons.



SB 964 Sen. Pavlov Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify.



SB 965 Sen. Hune Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify.



SB 966 Sen. Jones Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify.



HB 5082 Rep. Heise Family law; parenting time; parenting coordinator; create.

[Fuzzbutt]

What about the new types of weapons yet produced. For instance magnetic linear projection. Stupid to not just write it specifically saying what it legal and what is not.

Firearms which the projectile is initiated by a small explosive (primer) or spark (flint lock) are prohibited to be in the custody of a minor unless his/her guardian is closely supervising.

Or maybe a top projectile speed & weight. Say a weapons with a projectile no larger than .17" traveling under 500 feet/s and weighing no more than 30gr. if a solid projectile is used or .40" 75gr traveling at a max of 300 feel/sec if a liquid filled projectile is used.

Clear as day no grey areas nothing that doesn't need to be there kind of legalese.


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[Roundballer]

You didn't capture "match-lock" or "piezo-electric" in your ignition sources. Better to stick the bumbling methods that they are using now.

They are trying to make a good move (or maybe not), they are just not good enough with the knowledge of firearms to get it right the first tine around.

One thing that could be a big draw back is that if "air-guns" are no longer "firearms", then the protections under 123.1102 would no longer be there. The term "firearm", and "pistol" is used throughout chapter 123. The locals would no longer be preempted for the case of "air-guns".

[Pyzik]

This is looking like it should be an improvement.

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 6/10/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 6/10/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 6/10/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503).
Last Action: 6/10/2014 Analysis File Added

[Tallbear]

COMMITTEE: Judiciary

DATE: Thursday, June 12, 2014

TIME: 9:00 a.m.

PLACE: Room 110, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933

PHONE: Tony Mosesso (373-5323)
Committee Clerk


**AMENDED AGENDA**

SB 866 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing; crimes against elder adults; increase penalties for certain crimes against a person over 65 years of age.

SB 867 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; sentencing guidelines for elder adult abuse; provide for.

SB 963 Sen. Hildenbrand Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons.

SB 964 Sen. Pavlov Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify.

SB 965 Sen. Hune Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify.

SB 966 Sen. Jones Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify.

SB 977 Sen. Moolenaar Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail.

SB 979 Sen. Hildenbrand Weapons; firearms; definition of pneumatic guns; provide for, and prohibit certain regulations by local units of government.

HB 5082 Rep. Heise Family law; parenting time; parenting coordinator; create.

[bradymsu]

You didn't capture "match-lock" or "piezo-electric" in your ignition sources. Better to stick the bumbling methods that they are using now.

They are trying to make a good move (or maybe not), they are just not good enough with the knowledge of firearms to get it right the first tine around.

One thing that could be a big draw back is that if "air-guns" are no longer "firearms", then the protections under 123.1102 would no longer be there. The term "firearm", and "pistol" is used throughout chapter 123. The locals would no longer be preempted for the case of "air-guns".

The preemption issue (MCL 123.1102-1104) is being dealt with in SB 979.

[luckless]

**wrong thread

[Roundballer]

The preemption issue (MCL 123.1102-1104) is being dealt with in SB 979.

I just read that. It looks pretty good, now if they could come back to this one and place that "pneumatic" definition in this one it would be great. It would also be a good move to tie-bar them.

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 7/16/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 7/16/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 7/16/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503).
Last Action: 7/16/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

[Roundballer]

This "S2" substitute is still screwed up with the "propelled by an explosive" language. These guys really don't understand firearms at all.

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 9/11/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

[fr3db3ar]

It does appear to make it illegal for a person under 18 to possess a BB/pellet/airsoft gun. What it does seem to solve is the whole pellet guns with integral sound suppressors weirdness due to the different definitions of "firearm".


Don't forget paintball

[luckless]

How could they possibly be able to get this done by election day? Seems to be hastily constructed legislation.

[Divegeek]

How could they possibly be able to get this done by election day? Seems to be hastily constructed legislation.
Most likely they won't even try to get it done by then. Most of them are already in election mode and little well get done on any bills until the lame duck session after the first week of Nov.

It's not surprising how much gets passed then, because they feel few eyes are upon them for at least a year.

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 Analysis File Added

SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 9/17/2014 Analysis File Added

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-4

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 9/17/2014 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-3

[Tallbear]

SB 0963 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons. Amends sec. 1 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421).
Last Action: 9/24/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 9/24/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 9/24/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 9/24/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Tallbear]

DATE: Thursday, December 4, 2014

TIME: 8:30 AM

PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

AGENDA:
SB 964 (Sen. Pavlov) Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify.

SB 965 (Sen. Hune) Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify.

SB 966 (Sen. Jones) Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify.

SB 979 (Sen. Hildenbrand) Weapons; firearms; definition of pneumatic guns; provide for, and prohibit certain regulations by local units of government.

SB 789 (Sen. Green) Weapons; licensing; concealed pistol licensing boards; eliminate, and transfer duties to department of state police and county clerks.

SB 790 (Sen. Green) Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; reference in sentencing guidelines; update.

HB 5958 (Rep. Bolger) Civil rights; religious discrimination; Michigan religious freedom restoration act; create.

[Tallbear]

SB 0789 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; concealed pistol licensing boards; eliminate, and transfer duties to department of state police and county clerks. Amends secs. 1, 4, 5, 5a, 5b, 5c, 5d, 5e, 5f, 5j, 5k, 5l, 5m & 8 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 et seq.); adds sec. 5x & repeals sec. 6a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.426a).
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading
SB 0790 of 2014
Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; reference in sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0789'14
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading
SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading
SB 0979 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of pneumatic guns; provide for, and prohibit certain regulations by local units of government. Amends secs. 1, 2, 3 & 4 of 1990 PA 319 (MCL 123.1101 et seq.).
Last Action: 12/4/2014 referred to second reading

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/10/2014 placed on third reading
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 12/10/2014 placed on third reading
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/10/2014 placed on third reading

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/11/2014 Analysis File Added
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 12/11/2014 Analysis File Added
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/11/2014 Analysis File Added

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/11/2014 returned to Senate
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 12/11/2014 returned to Senate
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/11/2014 returned to Senate

[Roundballer]

Okay, I missed it up to this point. It never even got a hearing. What happened to SB 0963?

I know they stripped the under 18 language out by the time S-4 passed to the House. What about the rest of it? It had a change in definition in it too.

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/15/2014 IMMEDIATE EFFECT POSTPONED
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a).
Last Action: 12/15/2014 POSTPONED FOR THE DAY
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/15/2014 POSTPONED FOR THE DAY

[Roundballer]

I don't know if there is something else also going on here, but since the bills are all tie-barred, they can't just pass those that weren't amended. It looks like they must take that one day for concurrence on those that were amended in the House. Only two were delayed by vote.

From the Senate Journal 81 2014-SJ-12-15-081.htm (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28wfzfi15513hjdyml1ta2cuyw%29%29/documents/2013-2014/Journal/Senate/htm/2014-SJ-12-15-081.htm)


Senate Bill No. 964, entitled A bill to amend 1846 RS 1, entitled “Of the statutes,” by amending section 3t (MCL 8.3t).

The House of Representatives has passed the bill and ordered that the bill be given immediate effect.
The question being on concurring in the committee recommendation to give the bill immediate effect,
Senator Meekhof moved that further consideration of the bill be postponed for today.
The motion prevailed.

Senate Bill No. 965, entitled A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled “The Michigan penal code,” by amending sections 222 and 528a (MCL 750.222 and 750.528a), section 222 as amended by 2012 PA 242 and section 528a as added by 1986 PA 113.

The House of Representatives has substituted (H-3) the bill.

The House of Representatives has passed the bill as substituted (H-3), ordered that it be given immediate effect and amended the title to read as follows:

A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled “An act to revise, consolidate, codify, and add to the statutes relating to crimes; to define crimes and prescribe the penalties and remedies; to provide for restitution under certain circumstances; to provide for the competency of evidence at the trial of persons accused of crime; to provide immunity from prosecution for certain witnesses appearing at criminal trials; to provide for liability for damages; and to repeal certain acts and parts of acts inconsistent with or contravening any of the provisions of this act,” by amending sections 222, 226, 227b, 227c, 227d, 237a, and 528a (MCL 750.222, 750.226, 750.227b, 750.227c, 750.227d, 750.237a, and 750.528a), section 222 as amended by 2012 PA 242, section 227b as amended by 1990 PA 321, sections 227c and 227d as added by 1981 PA 103, section 237a as added by 1994 PA 158, and section 528a as added by 1986 PA 113.

Pursuant to rule 3.202, the bill was laid over one day.

Senate Bill No. 966, entitled A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled “Natural resources and environmental protection act,” by amending sections 40102 and 43503 (MCL 324.40102 and 324.43503), section 40102 as amended by 2007 PA 48 and section 43503 as amended by 2012 PA 520.

The House of Representatives has substituted (H-1) the bill.

The House of Representatives has passed the bill as substituted (H-1), ordered that it be given immediate effect and amended the title to read as follows:

A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled “An act to protect the environment and natural resources of the state; to codify, revise, consolidate, and classify laws relating to the environment and natural resources of the state; to regulate the discharge of certain substances into the environment; to regulate the use of certain lands, waters, and other natural resources of the state; to protect the people’s right to hunt and fish; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and officials; to provide for certain charges, fees, assessments, and donations; to provide certain appropriations; to prescribe penalties and provide remedies; and to repeal acts and parts of acts,” by amending sections 40102, 40111, and 43503 (MCL 324.40102, 324.40111, and 324.43503), section 40102 as amended by 2007 PA 48, section 40111 as amended by 2012 PA 340, and section 43503 as amended by 2012 PA 520.

Pursuant to rule 3.202, the bill was laid over one day.

Senate Bill No. 979, entitled A bill to amend 1990 PA 319, entitled “An act to prohibit local units of government from imposing certain restrictions on the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms,” by amending sections 1, 2, 3, and 4 (MCL 123.1101, 123.1102, 123.1103, and 123.1104).

The House of Representatives has passed the bill and ordered that the bill be given immediate effect.

The question being on concurring in the committee recommendation to give the bill immediate effect,

Senator Meekhof moved that further consideration of the bill be postponed for today.

The motion prevailed.

[Divegeek]

Did they break the tie bar? Apparently this is possible since they did it with the brandishing definition bill.

[Roundballer]

Did they break the tie bar? Apparently this is possible since they did it with the brandishing definition bill.
No, they did not. It was tied to SB 0979.

All of these bills have now been voted on, given immediate effect, have passed, and ordered enrolled.

The next step is to present to the Governor.

[luckless]

SB 0965 and 0966 seem to increase penalties and restrictions of airguns. Am I missing something?

[Divegeek]

Most air guns were considered firearms under the existing laws. This bill changes them to their own category. Therefore that category needs penalties and restrictions. These restrictions are less than for firearms, so it is a gain for people who own them.

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED

[DV8r]

So what does "Ordered Enrolled" mean?

[Roundballer]

So what does "Ordered Enrolled" mean?
It is the official recognition that both houses have agreed on the bill. The next steps are printing and transmittal to the Governor.

http://www.michigan.gov/som/0,1607,7-192-29701_29704-2836--,00.html

[art]

It is the official recognition that both houses have agreed on the bill. The next steps are printing and transmittal to the Governor.
Is he going to sign it?

[Roundballer]

I don't know. I was just sent to him today:

12/19/2014 Expected in SJ 85 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:04 PM

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:00 PM
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:02 PM
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:04 PM

[RDak]

Will these Bills allow us to get rifle barrel BB guns and rifle barrel pellet guns without going through a FFL?

[.41maganiac]

Will these Bills allow us to get rifle barrel BB guns and rifle barrel pellet guns without going through a FFL?

Yes!......And Amazon will deliver it right to your door via a drone. Just don't shoot the drone down thinking it's game!

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(tikolvbpridclc3vug2wrz45))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectname=2014-SB-0927

Senate Bills 926 and 927 would amend the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act to (1) prohibit an individual from using an unmanned aerial vehicle or an unmanned submersible vehicle to interfere with or harass another individual who is engaged in the process of lawfully taking an animal, and (2) prohibit an individual from taking game or fish using a UAV or USV.
Senate Bill 926 would define unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) as an unmanned vehicle or device that uses aerodynamic forces to achieve flight. Also defined is unmanned submersible vehicle (USV), which means an unmanned vehicle or device that operates on the surface of water or underwater. The bill would prohibit an individual from using a UAV or USV to interfere with or harass another individual who is engaged in the process of lawfully taking an animal or fish.
The penalty for violating this provision is already contained in the law. A violator would guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 93 days and/or a fine of not less than $500, plus the costs of prosecution. Subsequent violations are misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment for not more than one year and/or a fine of not less than $1,000 or more than $2,500, plus the costs of prosecution.
The bill also would modify language specifying that the Natural Resources Commission (NRC) has the exclusive authority to regulate sport fishing in Michigan. The statute currently states that the NRC has exclusive authority to regulate the taking of fish in this state.
Senate Bill 927 would prohibit an individual from taking game using a UAV.

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/16/2014 ORDERED ENROLLED

[outta ammo]

My understanding is that the governor now has 14 days to decide to sign it or veto it. Is it correct that if he signs it, it becomes law; and if he vetoes it, it does not become law. But, if he doesn't sign it and 14 days elapse and the legislature is still in session, then is still becomes law?... but if the legislature is not in session, then it does not become law? Or am I totally wrong?

[Divegeek]

My understanding is that the governor now has 14 days to decide to sign it or veto it. Is it correct that if he signs it, it becomes law; and if he vetoes it, it does not become law. But, if he doesn't sign it and 14 days elapse and the legislature is still in session, then is still becomes law?... but if the legislature is not in session, then it does not become law? Or am I totally wrong?
You are correct. The "pocket veto" is the situation where the governor doesn't sign it and the legislature has adjourned so a Bill doesn't become law. Typically Snyder waits until the last minute to sign or veto pro-gun bills because he doesn't like them.

[outta ammo]

You are correct. The "pocket veto" is the situation where the governor doesn't sign it and the legislature has adjourned so a Bill doesn't become law. Typically Snyder waits until the last minute to sign or veto pro-gun bills because he doesn't like them.

Thanks for clarifying. So, from your comment, is there a decent chance he won't sign the bills? Also anyone know if the legislature is considered to still be adjourned for the holidays when the 14 days are up? (I presume it is 14 working days, outside of holidays?)

[Divegeek]

Thanks for clarifying. So, from your comment, is there a decent chance he won't sign the bills? Also anyone know if the legislature is considered to still be adjourned for the holidays when the 14 days are up? (I presume it is 14 working days, outside of holidays?)

This is one batch of bills that he will most likely sign. SB789 is one that is questionable since he didn't want it to pass and only allowed his pet legislators (Richardville and Bolger) to proceed when they could use it's passage to make a deal on the road tax. But since he played "let's make a deal" I'm pretty sure he will sign that one too, or he will never be trusted in deals again. As for the count down clock, I'm not sure but I think the calendar year will expire before the 14 day clock will expire, and I'm not sure how that plays into things. I expect him to wait until the middle of next week when the news crews are all busy with holiday stories and sign it when they are looking so he doesn't get what he considers "bad press".

[G36 Shooter]

Rifled BB guns? You might shoot your eye out! lol, Merry Christmas to all.

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:00 PM
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:02 PM
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:04 PM

[DV8r]

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SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:00 PM
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:02 PM
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/19/2014 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2014 @ 5:04 PM
is this a duplicate of post 41 or am I missing something?

[RDak]

Why hasn't Snyder signed this Bill yet?

[outta ammo]

I have no idea. If he doesn't sign it, when does the 14 days expire (does that include weekend and holidays) and more importantly, is the legislature considered in session or not when the 14 days expire?

[luckless]

Session ends Wednesday. Anything unsigned simply disappears into the ether. Sort of like what happened to us in 2012.

[Pyzik]

Veto'd

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/29/snyder-vetoes-bb-gun-liquor-license-bills/21004857/

[Roundballer]

I hope that the Legislature is paying attention, the jerk doesn't even know what he is vetoing.


Gov. Rick Snyder has vetoed bills that would have loosened Michigan’s licensing restrictions on air guns and limited local governments’ freedom to set their own regulations.
If the air guns are still classified as firearms, the locals are preempted under MCL chapter 123 from any form of regulation.


Snyder said Monday that only part of a package backed by the National Rifle Association was sent to him before the Republican-led Legislature adjourned its two-year session. He says enacting just four of seven bills would create contrasting definitions and legal inconsistencies.
And weren't the other bills rolled onto the four that were passed?

It sounds more like he is just making excuses, these were very innocuous bills no matter how you wanted to look at them.

[art]

jenny was better- i may vote democrap next time.

[outta ammo]

Now that it is vetoed... can the legislature over-rule the veto?

[luckless]

Now that it is vetoed... can the legislature over-rule the veto?

No. It is too late in the year and there are no more days for them to meet. Past performance suggest that they would not vote to override his veto anyway.

[outta ammo]

Is there a chance the legislature would make the 'changes'/'corrections' he thought were inconsistent and then resend it?

[Roundballer]

Is there a chance the legislature would make the 'changes'/'corrections' he thought were inconsistent and then resend it?

Michigan completed the 2013-14 regular session December 18, and will officially adjourn sine die December 30.

That is tomorrow, and they are not even scheduled to be "in session" on that day.

Anything that rino rick doesn't sign dies. I don't know why he bothered to veto this, it would not of even been reported if he just ignored it, sine die.

Over the next few days I am going to write to Snyder, my Representative, and my new Senator to tell them that they have broken faith with those that elected them. I will further point out this (and a couple of others) as prime examples of Snyder's spirit of cooperation. Ricky won't care, he is now term limited, and will be a lame duck for the next few years. The others may, if they think that someone might campaign against them for braking faith (not support another, just against them).

[RDak]

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20141229/NEWS01/141229887/gov-snyder-vetoes-air-gun-liquor-license-bills

Here's part of the article:

The Republican governor said four Senate-initiated bills reached his desk while three House-sponsored measures that were part of the package never won approval from the Senate.

Signing a portion of the package would have resulted in a number of inconsistencies in state law, Snyder said in a letter to senators.

"In short, the enactment of these four Senate bills would result in a situation that would be extremely confusing for both law enforcement and gun owners," he wrote.

A spokeswoman for Republican Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville said senators chose to prioritize those four bills because they ran out of time to finalize the legislation at the end of the two-year session.

"I'm sure we'll see this issue come up again in the next session," Amber McCann said.

Dakota Moore, a state liaison with the NRA, said the group was "very disappointed" the bills weren't enacted but agreed with Snyder's assessment that signing only some measures would lead to incongruent laws.

"However, the NRA does believe that these bills have substantial merit and we will work to ensure expedient passage of the entire package in the early months of 2015."

[luckless]

I hope you don't believe him. Earlier he said he wouldn't sign anything pro gun. Was he telling the truth then or now? This is, however, consistent with the rest of his anti-gun owner actions and statements. I simply don't trust this guy enough to buy a used computer from him and I certainly don't believe he is on our side.

[.41maganiac]

Last Action: 12/30/2014 - VETOED BY GOVERNOR 12/29/2014

[Tallbear]

SB 0964 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify. Amends sec. 3t of 1846 RS 1 (MCL 8.3t).
Last Action: 12/30/2014 VETOED BY GOVERNOR 12/29/2014
SB 0965 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify. Amends secs. 222 & 528a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.222 & 750.528a). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/30/2014 VETOED BY GOVERNOR 12/29/2014
SB 0966 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify. Amends secs. 40102 & 43503 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.40102 & 324.43503). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0979'14
Last Action: 12/30/2014 VETOED BY GOVERNOR 12/29/2014

[.41maganiac]

I still don't trust him!

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_vetoe_1.html

The National Rifle Association had supported the full package in committee, testifying that Michigan is one of just four states that classifies most air guns as firearms, making them more difficult to purchase or move between states.
The NRA is “obviously disappointed” that the air gun legislation will not become law this year, according to state liaison Dakota Moore, but the group agreed with Snyder that an incomplete package would have led to conflicts in state law.
“We will be coming back very early in the next session and reintroducing the entire package, and we hope to see movement on that,” said Moore. “I believe that is the governor's, as well as the Legislature's, position. This proposal has merit and creates necessary change in state law.”

[RDak]

I hope you don't believe him. Earlier he said he wouldn't sign anything pro gun. Was he telling the truth then or now? This is, however, consistent with the rest of his anti-gun owner actions and statements. I simply don't trust this guy enough to buy a used computer from him and I certainly don't believe he is on our side.

No.........sadly I have to agree with you.

Snyder is anti gun. :cry:

[G36 Shooter]

And I am anti tax increase!