SB 0977 renewal of license by active duty military

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-SB-0977)
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 6/11/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

[Tallbear]

COMMITTEE: Judiciary

DATE: Thursday, June 12, 2014

TIME: 9:00 a.m.

PLACE: Room 110, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933

PHONE: Tony Mosesso (373-5323)
Committee Clerk


**AMENDED AGENDA**

SB 866 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing; crimes against elder adults; increase penalties for certain crimes against a person over 65 years of age.

SB 867 Sen. Smith Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; sentencing guidelines for elder adult abuse; provide for.

SB 963 Sen. Hildenbrand Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm; modify, and prohibit minors from possessing certain weapons.

SB 964 Sen. Pavlov Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in MCL 8.3t; modify.

SB 965 Sen. Hune Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in the Michigan penal code; modify.

SB 966 Sen. Jones Weapons; firearms; definition of firearm in NREPA; modify.

SB 977 Sen. Moolenaar Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail.

SB 979 Sen. Hildenbrand Weapons; firearms; definition of pneumatic guns; provide for, and prohibit certain regulations by local units of government.

HB 5082 Rep. Heise Family law; parenting time; parenting coordinator; create.

[Roundballer]

The concept looks good in theory, the implementation will have issues.

The out-of-state mil-person will have to mail in a "notarized" application. Not all states still have notaries.

They sure brought this on up for a hearing fast. It would be better for them to get the licensing into the SoS office and develop an online procedure like the DL and car tags.

[DP425]

This is a strong step in the right direction. My last tour I attempted to renew before I left; I was within 1 year but over 6 months. I was told the law does not permit me to do that. So this is a problem that needs to be solved.

The Eaton County Clerk was kind enough to offer to complete my application and all required additional items (new photo and new digital prints), place them in an envelop in her draw and process them at the 6mo mark. I didn't take her up on the generous offer; seemed like a lot of hassle for everyone involved, taking steps above and beyond the law to assist me. I certainly appreciated the gesture, but I didn't want to put that responsibility on her to have my packet, payment and everything else sitting on her desk for five months.

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 7/16/2014 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

[Michgndr89]

Active duty military have access to free notary services at the JAG's office...any state.

[Roundballer]

Active duty military have access to free notary services at the JAG's office...any state.

How does that work?

A Notary is credentialed by the State. Not all States use them, so how can every JAG office across the US have a State credentialed Notary? I don't think that a Michigan Notary stamp would have much weight if the stamp was being used in Florida.

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 8/13/2014 PASSED ROLL CALL # 530 YEAS 32 NAYS 1 EXCUSED 5 NOT VOTING 0

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 8/27/2014 received on 08/13/2014

[MP Miller]

How does that work?

A Notary is credentialed by the State. Not all States use them, so how can every JAG office across the US have a State credentialed Notary? I don't think that a Michigan Notary stamp would have much weight if the stamp was being used in Florida.
Some are certified by the state others are certified by the military under the authority of the UCMJ.

[MP Miller]

The state of TN says my DL and Carry permit never expire as long as I am on active duty stationed outside the state. I renewed anyway because I don't want to disclose to a MI officer and have my kids taken by CPS while I sit in jail until they get the state of TN on the phone.

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 8/27/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Michgndr89]

How does that work?

A Notary is credentialed by the State. Not all States use them, so how can every JAG office across the US have a State credentialed Notary? I don't think that a Michigan Notary stamp would have much weight if the stamp was being used in Florida.

I'm not really sure, not being a legal guy. But regardless of where I was stationed, I could go to the JAG's office and have my paperwork notarized (including Michigan transactions) and never had a problem with state-vs-state credentials.

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 11/24/2014 Analysis File Added

[Roundballer]

I see one error in their analysis:


In addition, the application must include certification of the completion of at least three hours review of the educational requirements for initial licensure and of completion of at least one hour of firing range time in the immediately preceding six months.
There is no "additional" certification required in the bill, or the current law. The applicant just has an additional place to sign on the application to make this claim. I conclude that sometimes these "analyses" are sometimes a little "slip-shod", if not out right slanted.

[PhotoTom]

I see one error in their analysis:


There is no "additional" certification required in the bill, or the current law. The applicant just has an additional place to sign on the application to make this claim. I conclude that sometimes these "analyses" are sometimes a little "slip-shod", if not out right slanted.

The signed line on the application is the "certification" they refer to…not a separate "certificate"…

[Roundballer]

The signed line on the application is the "certification" they refer to…not a separate "certificate"…

I understand that, it is a separate signature box on the form. The way that the analysis is written it makes it sound like there is something "additional" (as in addition to, like several county clerks have demanded receipts for range time and a class of some kind) that needs to be provided.

[BobSeaman]

the clerk is just that the clerk of the board he or she has no say or not a voting member

[Tallbear]

SB 0977 of 2014
Weapons; licensing; renewal of license to carry a concealed pistol; allow active duty military personnel to renew by mail. Amends sec. 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425l).
Last Action: 12/11/2014 placed on third reading