HB 5749 Repeal regulation on spring, gas, air operated handgun

[Tallbear]

HB 5749 of 2014 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2014-HB-5749)
Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal. Repeals 1959 PA 186 (MCL 752.891 - 752.892).
Last Action: 9/9/2014 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Roundballer]

Good!

Complete repeal of these:

MCL Act 186 of 1959 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-Act-186-of-1959)

[jmonarch]

This would be a nice one to see make it through.

[Tallbear]

Judiciary, Rep. Kevin Cotter, Chair

DATE: Thursday, September 18, 2014

TIME: 9:00 AM

PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

AGENDA:
HB 5366 (Rep. LaFontaine) Probate; guardians and conservators; fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5367 (Rep. Lauwers) Probate; wills and estates; powers of personal representatives; enact fiduciary access to digital assets act.

HB 5368 (Rep. Cotter) Probate; other; definitions relating to the fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5369 (Rep. Leonard) Probate; powers of attorney; authority or agent; enact fiduciary access to digital assets act.

HB 5370 (Rep. Jenkins) Probate; trusts; fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5450 (Rep. Shirkey) Weapons; firearms; mail order air rifles; allow.

HB 5748 (Rep. Rendon) Weapons; firearms; reference to certain repealed definition in the penal code; eliminate.

HB 5749 (Rep. Pettalia) Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal.

HB 5750 (Rep. Franz) Weapons; firearms; definition of firearms; modify.

[Tallbear]

HB 5749 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal. Repeals 1959 PA 186 (MCL 752.891 - 752.892).
Last Action: 9/17/2014 Analysis File Added

[Tallbear]

Judiciary, Rep. Kevin Cotter, Chair

DATE: Thursday, October 2, 2014

TIME: 9:00 AM

PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

AGENDA:
HB 5366 (Rep. LaFontaine) Probate; guardians and conservators; fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5367 (Rep. Lauwers) Probate; wills and estates; powers of personal representatives; enact fiduciary access to digital assets act.

HB 5368 (Rep. Cotter) Probate; other; definitions relating to the fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5369 (Rep. Leonard) Probate; powers of attorney; authority or agent; enact fiduciary access to digital assets act.

HB 5370 (Rep. Jenkins) Probate; trusts; fiduciary access to digital assets act; enact.

HB 5450 (Rep. Shirkey) Weapons; firearms; mail order air rifles; allow.

HB 5748 (Rep. Rendon) Weapons; firearms; reference to certain repealed definition in the penal code; eliminate.

HB 5749 (Rep. Pettalia) Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal.

HB 5750 (Rep. Franz) Weapons; firearms; definition of firearms; modify.

HB 5545 (Rep. Leonard) Criminal procedure; expunction; criminal record expunction for certain offenses; allow under certain circumstances.

SB 863 (Sen. Pavlov) Criminal procedure; evidence; expert witness testimony concerning chemical testing and custody of evidence by video communication; allow at preliminary examination and trial for certain prosecutions, and provide for release subject to conditions reasonably necessary for the protection of the public under certain circumstances.

[Tallbear]

HB 5749 of 2014
Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal. Repeals 1959 PA 186 (MCL 752.891 - 752.892).
Last Action: 10/2/2014 referred to second reading

[solarguy]

I'm thinking about a co2 pellet pistol as a training aid, since 22 is still so hard to come by.

As it stands right now, I would have to get a purchase permit and "register" it, since it's still considered a firearm and a handgun, correct?

Thanks in advance,

troy

[Divegeek]

If it is larger than .177 or has a rifled barrel then yes you would have to get a purchase permit/RI60 and register it.

[langenc]

Gov probably dont like the repeal and the (R)s in the legislature have their orders--no more gun bills..

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, December 2, 2014

TIME: 2:30 p.m.

PLACE: Room 110, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933

PHONE: Tony Mosesso (373-5323)
Committee Clerk


AGENDA

HB 5450 Rep. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; mail order air rifles; allow.

HB 5748 Rep. Rendon Weapons; firearms; reference to certain repealed definition in the penal code; eliminate.

HB 5749 Rep. Pettalia Weapons; firearms; regulation of spring, gas, or air operated handguns; repeal.

HB 5750 Rep. Franz Weapons; firearms; definition of firearms; modify.

SB 1139 Sen. Schuitmaker Corrections; parole; procedures for comprehensive corrections and reentry plans; modify.

SB 1141 Sen. Jones Criminal procedure; sentencing; criminal justice policy commission; create, and make other revisions regarding sentencing.

[Roundballer]

It's on the move:

2014-HB-5749 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2014-HB-5749)


12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 REPORTED FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT
12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATE EFFECT
12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

Reported out of committee and returned to the floor of the Senate. This may actually get somewhere.

[RayMich]

It's on the move:

2014-HB-5749 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2014-HB-5749)


12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 REPORTED FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT
12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATE EFFECT
12/3/2014 Expected in SJ 76 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

Reported out of committee and returned to the floor of the Senate. This may actually get somewhere.
I sure hope it passes.

This should also legalize the use of "whisper" air guns in Michigan.

Currently, the ATF does not regulate suppressed air rifles, so they will not issue a tax stamp for them. Since Michigan considers those air guns to be firearms, any suppressed air rifle is illegal here because one cannot obtain ATF approval for non-regulated items.

[RayMich]

Gov probably dont like the repeal and the (R)s in the legislature have their orders--no more gun bills..

I was under the impression that this request was for gun bills BEFORE the last election.

[_Shife_]

Michigan Radio just reported this as vetoed by the Gov.

[10x25mm]

Think we should show Governor Snyder our deep appreciation for his action on May 5th.

[Roundballer]

Michigan Radio just reported this as vetoed by the Gov.
Snyder didn't veto THIS one, this one died on the Senate floor.

He did veto other bills that included some of this ones language. Air guns are still "firearms" in Michigan.


Think we should show Governor Snyder our deep appreciation for his action on May 5th.

We need to make sure that the crap coming in May doesn't cost us any more money. They have shown that they are irresponsible in their spending.

[RayMich]

Think we should show Governor Snyder our deep appreciation for his action on May 5th.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the significance of May 5th? Other than it being Cinco de Mayo?

[10x25mm]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the significance of May 5th? Other than it being Cinco de Mayo?

Special election date for the 16.67 % sales tax increase.

[RayMich]

Special election date for the 16.67 % sales tax increase.
Thank you.

I've already decided how I'm going to vote on that one... NO!

I hope the majority of voters vote the same way.

[Divegeek]

Special election date for the 16.67 % sales tax increase.

If that goes through it would raise our sales tax rate to tie us for the second highest rate in the nation. We would only be .5% behind the leader, California. I too will be voting NO!

[DV8r]

We need to all vow to never again vote for anything that increases taxes or fees.

For the sake of our children and grand children it is imperative that our government both State and Federal decrease spending and lower the amount taken from its citizens.

[45/70fan]

I too will vote no on any tax increase, then I'm going to awaken my dead relatives and have them cast a Chicago style vote.

[_Shife_]

Snyder didn't veto THIS one, this one died on the Senate floor.

He did veto other bills that included some of this ones language. Air guns are still "firearms" in Michigan.



We need to make sure that the crap coming in May doesn't cost us any more money. They have shown that they are irresponsible in their spending.
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't had much time to follow the forum due to year end work issues.

Thank you.

I've already decided how I'm going to vote on that one... NO!

I hope the majority of voters vote the same way.

I strongly supported a local road millage attempt in my area (defeated) because we would have had local control of how the funds were used. I will strongly oppose the pending ballot tax increase not out of spite, but because I do not feel our State leadership has the ability to get any actual work done with new funds. I would rather see a complete overhaul of our State budget and tax structure first.

[10x25mm]

Snyder didn't veto THIS one, this one died on the Senate floor.

He did veto other bills that included some of this ones language. Air guns are still "firearms" in Michigan.

Actually Snyder did kill the House bills through a devious legislative ploy. Detroit Mayor Duggan apparently got Governor Snyder to arrange the demise of the air gun package after freaking out over the John Crawford/WalMart/Beaver Creek and Tamir Rice/Cleveland police shooting incidents. News reports are coyly suggesting 'local officials' pressured Snyder to kill the bills.

The local official in question, Duggan, will be master of ceremonies at Snyder's reinauguration on January 1st and fancies himself to be Michigan's 2019 Governor. Snyder, of course, is angling for a 2016 U.S. Presidential or Vice Presidential nomination, so he did not want to aggravate gun owners directly. Hence the charade executed by Randy Richardville to only pass the Senate bills, giving Snyder a non gun control excuse to veto the Senate half of the air gun package. A neat legislative trick with the hallmark of Sally Durfee, Snyder's devious Deputy Director of Legislative Affairs.

The House bills had been reported out of the Senate Judiciary committee by unanimous votes with recommendations for immediate implementation and were ready for final passage on 03 December, just like the Senate half of the air gun package. The NRA got gamed on this one. Demonstrates how Democrats and Republicans in the establishment work together behind the scenes to diligently corrupt our government process for their gain.

We need to make sure that the crap coming in May doesn't cost us any more money. They have shown that they are irresponsible in their spending.

[DP425]

Okay, help me out here...

Many of these gun bills have passed with 2/3; WHY do they wait until a week or two before the end of the year to bring them to full vote and pass them?!? WHY aren't these bills brought to full vote much earlier in the session when a veto over-ride would be a cake walk????

[10x25mm]

Okay, help me out here...

Many of these gun bills have passed with 2/3; WHY do they wait until a week or two before the end of the year to bring them to full vote and pass them?!? WHY aren't these bills brought to full vote much earlier in the session when a veto over-ride would be a cake walk????

Political theater to reduce fallout. Give the 'great unwashed' the impression that the bills are on track to pass and then kill them during a slow news cycle while everyone is focused on their families during the holidays.

Also prevents a veto override due to the end of the Legislature.

[45/70fan]

Political theater to reduce fallout. Give the 'great unwashed' the impression that the bills are on track to pass and then kill them during a slow news cycle while everyone is focused on their families during the holidays.

Also prevents a veto override due to the end of the Legislature.

then it our responsibility to keep everyone informed, to do less is a major blunder on our part.

[10x25mm]

then it our responsibility to keep everyone informed, to do less is a major blunder on our part.


Exactly. I am really angry about this.

[RDak]

Exactly. I am really angry about this.

Let's face it..........Snyder is radically anti-gun.

[Kitgun]

Let's face it..........Snyder is radically anti-gun.

Bloombergs endorsement of Governor Rick should have given us a clue.