SB 0225, 0226 Prohibit dealer from creating a visual representation of purchaser And eliminate pistol database entry

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2015-SB-0225)
Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry. Amends secs. 2 & 2a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 & 28.422a) & adds sec. 12c.
Last Action: 3/24/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
SB 0226 of 2015 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2015-SB-0226)
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 3/24/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

[jgillmanjr]

I'm lazy, so I'll just copy pasta what I tossed over at MOC...



This bill, introduced by Sen. Mike Shirkey, is similar in many ways to HB 4339 introduced by Rep. Todd Courser.

There are, however, some differences.

Sec. 2(6) in 225 further elaborates on the issue of inheritance. Unchanged in 4339.

Sec. 2a(2) in 4339 is *completely* struck out. In 225, the strikeout doesn't happen until it starts talking about turning a copy back into the cops (basically, it still leaves the portion about recording the CPL license number or FFL dealer license number).

The "old" subsections (4)(5)(6) struck out in 4339, but remain in 225. The old (5) talked about it being a felony to make a material false statement on the sales record.

225 creates a new Sec 12c.



SEC. 12C. (1) A SELLER OR A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER SHALL NOT DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

(A) CREATE A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION OR A BIOMETRIC RECORD OF
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS PURCHASING A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION, EXCEPT FOR
A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION CREATED INCIDENTALLY TO THE ROUTINE USE OF
SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.
(B) LINK A VISIBLE REPRESENTATION OF A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION
TRANSACTION TO AN INDIVIDUAL, EXCEPT AT THE REQUEST OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT OR PURSUANT TO A COURT ORDER.

(2) A PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF A
MISDEMEANOR PUNISHABLE BY IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT MORE THAN 1 YEAR OR
A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $500.00, OR BOTH.

(3) AS USED IN THIS SECTION, "FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS
DEALER" MEANS A PERSON LICENSED TO SELL FIREARMS UNDER 18 USC 923.

[Tallbear]

Don't overlook the second part of the bill that is very important.


......and eliminate pistol database entry.

[jmonarch]

Don't overlook the second part of the bill that is very important.

I like that part...

[appliancebrad]

Shirkey is my Senator. He is a friend to gun owners and is one himself. Look for more pro gun bills from him in the future.

[G22]

Shirkey is my Senator. He is a friend to gun owners and is one himself. Look for more pro gun bills from him in the future.

That's good news Brad, because our other 'friends' have not been very friendly lately!

[luckless]

Shirkey is my Senator. He is a friend to gun owners and is one himself. Look for more pro gun bills from him in the future.

How did he vote on SB34 and SB53?

[jgillmanjr]

How did he vote on SB34 and SB53?

Voted Yea on both.

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, June 16, 2015



TIME: 3:30 p.m.



PLACE: Room 110,


PHONE: Corey Woodby (517) 373-1721

Committee Clerk



AGENDA



HB 4159 Rep. Johnson Weapons; licensing; waiver for certain individuals to carry weapon in weapon-free zones; expand to include certain corrections, probation, and parole officers.



SB 225 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry.



SB 226 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update.



SB 340 Sen. Bieda Crimes; penalties; penalties for selling tobacco product to minor; increase.



SB 384 Sen. MacGregor Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.



SB 385 Sen. Jones Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.



SB 386 Sen. Casperson Traffic control; violations; prohibition on courts taking under advisement certain offenses committed by a person while operating a commercial motor vehicle or a person licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle while operating a noncommercial motor vehicle; reinstate.

[art]

we have been down this road before......

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, June 16, 2015



TIME: 3:30 p.m.



PLACE: Room 110,



PHONE: Corey Woodby (517) 373-1721

Committee Clerk



**AMENDED AGENDA**



SB 225 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry.



SB 340 Sen. Bieda Crimes; penalties; penalties for selling tobacco product to minor; increase.



SB 384 Sen. MacGregor Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.



SB 385 Sen. Jones Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.



SB 386 Sen. Casperson Traffic control; violations; prohibition on courts taking under advisement certain offenses committed by a person while operating a commercial motor vehicle or a person licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle while operating a noncommercial motor vehicle; reinstate.

[jgillmanjr]

Looks like it's been subbed out so it's just inheritance.

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry. Amends secs. 2 & 2a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 & 28.422a) & adds sec. 12c.
Last Action: 6/16/2015 Analysis File Added

[jgillmanjr]

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/billcurrentversion/Senate/PDF/2015-SCVBS-0225-4480.PDF <-- the sub that was adopted

[luckless]

Good thing they didn't rename the Bill. This name will look much better on their reelection literature than one that actually describes the legislation.

[appliancebrad]

Getting rid of registration is dead.

[luckless]

Getting rid of registration is dead.
Who killed it?

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry. Amends secs. 2 & 2a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 & 28.422a) & adds sec. 12c.
Last Action: 6/18/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-2

[art]

Do you say that because it just won't be considered, or did somebody specifically say that?

[appliancebrad]

Who killed it?

MSP.

[Leader]

MSP.

How?

What was their reasoning?

[luckless]

How?

What was their reasoning?
I was unaware they held a seat in that committee.

We all know that the MSP hates gun owners and those serving on this committee must know it, too. It takes an elected individual to carry MSP's water. We need to know who it is on this committee that chooses to serve the government rather than their constituents. We deserve to know who our enemies are.

One thing for sure, all good gun bills go to the Senate Judiciary Committee to get warped beyond recognition and die a slow, horrible death. I am convinced that senate leadership sends these bills to this committee for that purpose. My best guess is that Meekhof and Jones are both anti gun owner and we will see no progress on our priorities as long as they sit in such powerful positions.

[G22]

No good gun bills seem to ever see the light of day without at the very least, a neutral stance from the massive lobbying power behind the MSP.

Maybe this guy knows why: http://mirsnews.com/lob_bio.php?cid=677

<edit> removed lobbyist information that dealt with MSP labor disputes and collective bargaining, not relevant to legislative lobbying.
I'm having a difficult time finding out exactly who lobbies for MSP legislative issues in Lansing

It could be:
http://mapo411.com/about-us/

[jgillmanjr]

No good gun bills seem to ever see the light of day without at the very least, a neutral stance from the massive lobbying power behind the MSP.



Maybe this guy knows why: http://mirsnews.com/lob_bio.php?cid=677

I'm not sure if he's doing legislative stuff anymore. I've never seen him representing the MSP at the committee meetings I've been to.

[G22]

I'm not sure if he's doing legislative stuff anymore. I've never seen him representing the MSP at the committee meetings I've been to.

This guy maybe? http://mirsnews.com/lob_bio.php?cid=481

[jgillmanjr]

This guy maybe? http://mirsnews.com/lob_bio.php?cid=481

Don't recognize him either.

SGT Amy Dehner and another guy (I think his first name is Tim) is who I've seen.

[G22]

From what I can find, the actual MSP doesn't have any particular lobbyists, but instead have several 'legislative liaison's'.

So finding out who said what, and why, is going to be difficult at best.

This is the best I can come up with, if you can stomach the source. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/06/1291241/nra-pushing-for-elimination-of-crime-spree-solving-gun-registry/

[luckless]

From what I can find, the actual MSP doesn't have any particular lobbyists, but instead have several 'legislative liaison's'.

So finding out who said what, and why, is going to be difficult at best.

This is the best I can come up with, if you can stomach the source. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/06/1291241/nra-pushing-for-elimination-of-crime-spree-solving-gun-registry/
That is referring to legislation that Snyder vetoed in 2012. It passed the house with a bipartisan, veto-proof majority in the house and a bipartisan majority in the senate (one vote short for a guaranteed override). After Snyder vetoed it, his allies in leadership positions refused to allow an override vote. Now his allies in leadership positions won't allow it to come to the floor, which suggests there is even more support for registration repeal now than in 2012.

[appliancebrad]

No good gun bills seem to ever see the light of day without at the very least, a neutral stance from the massive lobbying power behind the MSP.

That's been a long held maxim in working gun legislation. If MSP is not neutral on a gun Bill, it's likely going nowhere. There will be subtle downward pressure from the Governor's office to not move the Bill.

MSP has their own people representing them. DNR the same. Been that way as long as I've done policy work in the Capitol.

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, September 29, 2015



TIME: 3:00 p.m.



PLACE: Room 110, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933



PHONE: Corey Woodby (517) 373-1721

Committee Clerk





AMENDED AGENDA



HB 4159 Rep. Johnson Weapons; licensing; waiver for certain individuals to carry weapon in weapon-free zones; expand to include certain corrections, probation, and parole officers.



SB 516 Sen. Jones Weapons; licensing; waiver for certain individuals to carry weapon in weapon-free zones; expand to include certain corrections, probation, and parole officers.



SB 445 Sen. Kowall Local government; other; sanctuary policy prohibition act; create.



SB 409 Sen. O'Brien Crimes; controlled substances; attempt to solicit another person to purchase ephedrine or pseudoephedrine for purpose of manufacturing methamphetamine; prohibit, and provide penalties.



SB 410 Sen. Casperson Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; sentencing guidelines for crime of attempting to solicit another person to obtain ephedrine or pseudoephedrine; revise to reflect.



SB 424 Sen. Casperson Crimes; controlled substances; penalties for manufacture of methamphetamine near a school or library; increase.



SB 226 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update.

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry. Amends secs. 2 & 2a of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422 & 28.422a) & adds sec. 12c.
Last Action: 9/29/2015 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING WITH SUBSTITUTE S-3 AS AMENDED
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 9/29/2015 Analysis File Added

[Kaeto]

This bill does nothing that it's title says it does.

[bigt8261]

It was amended in committee to only focus on inheritance. There are other bills that deal with registration.

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 9/30/2015 referred to Committee on Judiciary
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 9/30/2015 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, October 20, 2015

TIME: 12:00 PM

PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

AGENDA:
HB 4680 (Rep. Pagel) Corrections; other; authority for correctional industries to engage in certain private manufacturing or service enterprises; extend sunset.

SB 225 (Sen. Shirkey) Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify.

SB 226 (Sen. Shirkey) Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update.

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 10/19/2015 Analysis File Added
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 10/19/2015 Analysis File Added

[jgillmanjr]

Passed committee. Robinson was the only nay, and Guerra was a pass. All else yea

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 10/20/2015 referred to second reading
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 10/20/2015 referred to second reading

SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 10/28/2015 placed on third reading

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 10/28/2015 placed on third reading

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 10/29/2015 returned to Senate
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 10/29/2015 returned to Senate

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 11/5/2015 ORDERED ENROLLED
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 11/5/2015 ORDERED ENROLLED

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 12/1/2015 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 11/19/2015 @ 10:57 AM
SB 0226 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 12/1/2015 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 11/19/2015 @ 10:59 AM

[midlandshooter]

Jay's sporting goods would HATE this.

When they demanded a photocopy of my ID "it's the law." No, it is not. It's your store policy, and my answer is no. Ended up telling them they could either sell it to me, or transfer it to a local dealer. They were pissed, but I went home with it.

Be good to see a law telling them they can't do this.

[luckless]

Unfortunately, this isn't the law that would do it.

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015 (PA 0200 of 2015)
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 12/1/2015 ASSIGNED PA 0200'15 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT
SB 0226 of 2015 (PA 0201 of 2015)
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 12/1/2015 ASSIGNED PA 0201'15 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT

[Tallbear]

SB 0225 of 2015 (PA 0200 of 2015)
Weapons; firearms; pistol transfer process for an heir or devisee; modify. Amends secs. 2 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.422).
Last Action: 1/19/2016 Analysis File Added
SB 0226 of 2015 (PA 0201 of 2015)
Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0225'15
Last Action: 1/19/2016 Analysis File Added