SB 0385 more exemptions

[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2015-SB-0385)
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 6/9/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

[Roundballer]

TIE BAR WITH WHAT?

Oh, here it is: SB 0384 of 2015 (http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0384), give the director of the Family Independence Agency the ability to "appoint agents". I don't see any requirements for training, but give the "department" armed agents......

THEN, exempt them from pfz's.

Is there something wrong with this line of reasoning?

[luckless]

It is a Rick Jones bill. That explains everything.

[G22]

Somebody else needs to tell these clowns to knock it off. They obviously aren't listening to me.

[DEVIL DOG]

Who is Rick Jones in bed with? Certainly not us commoners !

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, June 16, 2015



TIME: 3:30 p.m.



PLACE: Room 110,


PHONE: Corey Woodby (517) 373-1721

Committee Clerk



AGENDA



HB 4159 Rep. Johnson Weapons; licensing; waiver for certain individuals to carry weapon in weapon-free zones; expand to include certain corrections, probation, and parole officers.



SB 225 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry.



SB 226 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; sentencing guidelines; update.



SB 340 Sen. Bieda Crimes; penalties; penalties for selling tobacco product to minor; increase.



SB 384 Sen. MacGregor Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.



SB 385 Sen. Jones Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.



SB 386 Sen. Casperson Traffic control; violations; prohibition on courts taking under advisement certain offenses committed by a person while operating a commercial motor vehicle or a person licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle while operating a noncommercial motor vehicle; reinstate.

[Roundballer]

WOW, this is getting a fast track. The committee scheduled it for a hearing LESS than a week after introduction!

[Tallbear]

DATE: Tuesday, June 16, 2015



TIME: 3:30 p.m.



PLACE: Room 110,



PHONE: Corey Woodby (517) 373-1721

Committee Clerk



**AMENDED AGENDA**



SB 225 Sen. Shirkey Weapons; firearms; purchase of guns or ammunition; prohibit gun sellers and federally licensed firearms dealers from creating a visual representation of an individual who purchases a firearm or ammunition or linking such a visual representation to an individual under certain circumstances and eliminate pistol database entry.



SB 340 Sen. Bieda Crimes; penalties; penalties for selling tobacco product to minor; increase.



SB 384 Sen. MacGregor Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.



SB 385 Sen. Jones Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.



SB 386 Sen. Casperson Traffic control; violations; prohibition on courts taking under advisement certain offenses committed by a person while operating a commercial motor vehicle or a person licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle while operating a noncommercial motor vehicle; reinstate.

[jeff s]

What I don't understand is why if they want their IG to be armed and have arrest powers, do they not hire fully certified/qualified MCOLES police officer and not someone in the office with a "oh by the way, you now carry a gun and can arrest".

This whole idea is bad, as if Michigan DHS does not have enough power already to screw with people and their families. Or is it because the local police are getting tired of being pulled into Michigan DHS battles?

[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 6/15/2015 Analysis File Added

[Roundballer]

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[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 9/9/2015 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING

[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 9/10/2015 referred to Committee on Judiciary

[Tallbear]

For those that haven't read the tie bar bill SM0384....http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28ixyt3vrz32fiqoyoczf53rmn%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2015-SB-0384

The bill would create a police force within the MI Department of Health and Human Services. According to the current version of the legislation, agents of the MI Department of Health and Human Services would be granted limited arrest powers to enforce "RETAIL TRAFFICKING OF FOOD ASSISTANCE BENEFITS ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM."

In other words, the bill would create a "federal bureaucracy compliance" police force under the Department of Health and Human Services.

[NorthernBorn]

For those that haven't read the tie bar bill SM0384....http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28ixyt3vrz32fiqoyoczf53rmn%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2015-SB-0384

The bill would create a police force within the MI Department of Health and Human Services. According to the current version of the legislation, agents of the MI Department of Health and Human Services would be granted limited arrest powers to enforce "RETAIL TRAFFICKING OF FOOD ASSISTANCE BENEFITS ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM."

In other words, the bill would create a "federal bureaucracy compliance" police force under the Department of Health and Human Services.

Looks more like they are creating an anti-fraud unit for the welfare program. It's about time they started cracking down on welfare fraud.

[luckless]

Looks more like they are creating an anti-fraud unit for the welfare program. It's about time they started cracking down on welfare fraud.

You really think we need a separate police department for welfare fraud?

[NorthernBorn]

Actually... yes... and that's coming from someone who wants the smallest government possible.

Police all over the state are at their limits with what they have now. A specific unit that's part of HHS that is tasked with investigating and punishing the leeches that pull up to a shady party store in a newer Escalade and buy cheetos and booze with their EBT card is a good thing.

[partdeux]

this is an extremely dangerous bill.

literally creating an untrained police force that carries firearms with arrest power.

[Roundballer]

this is an extremely dangerous bill.

literally creating an untrained police force that carries firearms with arrest power.
That would also have "qualified immunity", so when they start violating rights of citizens in arrest procedures, seizing property, stepping outside of the scope of the laws that they were formed to enforce, their victims would have no recourse.

[NorthernBorn]

Limited arrest powers for the sole purpose of combating welfare fraud.

Everyone screams and cries about welfare abuse but when they try and do something about it... everyone screams and cries.

Nice.

[Roundballer]

2015-SEBS-0384 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/billengrossed/Senate/htm/2015-SEBS-0384.htm)


(2) The director may appoint agents with limited arrest powers for the enforcement of <<retail trafficking of food assistance benefits administered by the department according to the federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.>> The agents appointed under this section are agents of the department office of inspector general and have all powers conferred upon peace officers for the purpose of enforcing the general laws of this state as they pertain to enforcement of this act. The director may authorize agents of the office of inspector general to carry a firearm.
(3) In addition to the limited arrest authority granted in subsection (2), an agent of the office of inspector general, while on duty, may arrest a person without a warrant if 1 or more of the following circumstances exist:

(a) The agent has <<probable>> cause to believe that a felony has been committed and <<probable>> cause to believe that the person committed it.
(b) The agent has <<probable>> cause to believe a felony offense for financial gain under section 159g(d) or 159g(e) of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.159g, has been committed and <<probable>> cause to believe that the person committed it.
(c) The agent has <<probable>> cause to believe that a felony offense under section 300a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.300a, has been committed and <<probable>> cause to believe that the person committed it.
(d) The agent has <<probable>> cause to believe that a felony offense using a fraudulent device to obtain relief under section 60 Senate Bill No. 384 as amended September 10, 2015 has been committed and <<probable>> cause to believe that the person committed it.
(e) The agent has received positive information by written, telegraphic, teletypic, telephonic, radio, or other authoritative source that a peace officer holds a warrant for the person's arrest.


Yep, limited power that is immediately expanded within a phrase or two.

Still without ANY training. How are they to know what constitutes "probable cause" and what is just a "possibility". It seems that there are LEOs here on this forum that can't seem to differentiate the two. The "felony" limitation in there is nothing, just about everything now-a-days is a damn felony.

Nothing is "impossible", yet many things are "improbable", hence not all possibilities are probable.

This is too much power placed into the hands of untrained bureaucratic "agents".

[Tallbear]

Judiciary, Rep. Klint Kesto, Chair

DATE: Tuesday, September 22, 2015

TIME: 12:00 PM

PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI

AGENDA:
HB 4209 (Rep. Callton) Health; medical marihuana; state and local regulation of marihuana provisioning centers; provide for.

HB 4210 (Rep. Lyons) Health; medical marihuana; marihuana-infused products; allow and regulate.

HB 4827 (Rep. Kesto) Marihuana; administration; seed-to-sale tracking system for commercial marihuana; establish.

FOR REFERRAL TO COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE:

SB 384 (Sen. MacGregor) Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.

SB 385 (Sen. Jones) Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.

[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 9/22/2015 recommendation concurred in

[Tallbear]

SB 0385 of 2015
Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions. Amends sec. 231 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231). TIE BAR WITH: SB 0384'15
Last Action: 10/26/2015 Analysis File Added