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Tallbear
10-14-2015, 12:26 PM
SB 0561 of 2015 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2015-SB-0561)
Weapons; firearms; possession of firearms on certain premises; modify exemptions. Amends secs. 234d & 237a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.234d & 750.237a).
Last Action: 10/13/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

xmanhockey7
10-14-2015, 12:42 PM
Don't change the exemptions to 750.234d. Bills would be solid! Where is the outcry to ban OC in places besides schools?

Tallbear
10-14-2015, 12:54 PM
This isn't showing the substitute voted on yesterday........yet.

xmanhockey7
10-14-2015, 12:57 PM
This isn't showing the substitute voted on yesterday........yet.

My understanding is the substitute just tied this and 442 together. I haven't read it though.

Scandiacus
10-14-2015, 01:22 PM
My understanding is the substitute just tied this and 442 together. I haven't read it though.

I think you're right. Here's the substitute: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(4zky1zr4rhfogrvaxec2j5qe))/documents/2015-2016/billcurrentversion/Senate/PDF/2015-SCVBS-0561-6295.PDF

zigziggityzoo
10-14-2015, 01:32 PM
It would be interesting if this was a one-way tie-bar. That is, SB 442 could pass without this, but 561 could not pass unless 442 passed.

Scandiacus
10-14-2015, 01:42 PM
It would be interesting if this was a one-way tie-bar. That is, SB 442 could pass without this, but 561 could not pass unless 442 passed.

It's not one-way, unfortunately. Here's the full text of 442 with Substitute 2; see the very bottom:
http://legislature.mi.gov/(S(zvvo50l2mhetm1jninltui4u))/documents/2015-2016/billcurrentversion/Senate/PDF/2015-SCVBS-0442-6294.PDF

bigt8261
10-14-2015, 03:05 PM
Updated analysis on the bills.

http://www.miopencarry.org/news/2015/10/SB-442-SB-561-Amendment-Analysis-Still-A-Mess

thamm
10-14-2015, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the update.

dougwg
10-14-2015, 04:34 PM
hrmmmm
I guess we will be able to carry in a court if 561 passes

"But the court has a rule!"

The court is a unit of government and as such is preempted....

__________________________________________________ ___________
also:

"(b) "School" means a public, private, denominational, or
parochial school offering developmental kindergarten, kindergarten,
or any grade from 1 through 12.
(c) "School property" means a building, playing field, or
property used for school purposes to impart instruction to children
or used for functions and events sponsored by a school, except a
building used primarily for adult education or college extension
courses."

So no more OC at the capitol building if a school class is there as they would be there to "impart instruction to children" about how government works.

__________________________________________

SOOOOoooo much hidden stuff in this change it's ridiculous.

G36 Shooter
10-14-2015, 04:41 PM
Don't change the exemptions to 750.234d. Bills would be solid! Where is the outcry to ban OC in places besides schools?

I haven't heard any.

xmanhockey7
10-14-2015, 05:52 PM
hrmmmm
I guess we will be able to carry in a court if 561 passes

"But the court has a rule!"

The court is a unit of government and as such is preempted....

Michigan Supreme Court says otherwise. Currently a CPL holder, based on 28.425o can conceal or open carry in a court.

SteveS
10-14-2015, 07:40 PM
A court is not preempted. It is not a local unit of government. The Michigan Constitution gives the courts the ability to promulgate some rules in regards to maintaining their own facilities.

Tallbear
10-15-2015, 10:55 AM
SB 0561 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; possession of firearms on certain premises; modify exemptions. Amends secs. 234d & 237a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.234d & 750.237a).
Last Action: 10/15/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-1

Tallbear
10-16-2015, 08:22 AM
SB 0561 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; possession of firearms on certain premises; modify exemptions. Amends secs. 234d & 237a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.234d & 750.237a).
Last Action: 10/15/2015 Analysis File Added

Tallbear
10-17-2015, 11:10 AM
SB 0561 of 2015
Weapons; firearms; possession of firearms on certain premises; modify exemptions. Amends secs. 234d & 237a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.234d & 750.237a).
Last Action: 10/15/2015 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH SUBSTITUTE S-1