HB 4458 Penalty for expired CPL

[Tallbear]

HB 4458 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-HB-4458)
Weapons; licensing; penalty for failure to comply with certain licensing requirements; modify. Amends sec. 227 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227).
Last Action: 4/19/2017 bill electronically reproduced 03/30/2017

[MP Miller]

I'd like to see this law eliminated completely or the punishment lowered but....

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[Flash-hider]

or give us lifetime licenses.

[zigziggityzoo]

I'd like to see this law eliminated completely or the punishment lowered but....

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http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?378486-HB-4416-4417-4418-4419-Right-to-carry

[DP425]

Well, it's a step in the right direction I suppose.

[ChaneyD]

or give us lifetime licenses.

Or No licenses.

[DV8r]

Or No licenses.

Correct! It says "right to keep and bear arms". I don't see where it says, if the state first sells me a license for either the 'keeping' or 'bearring'.

[counterpoint]

Correct! It says "right to keep and bear arms". I don't see where it says, if the state first sells me a license for either the 'keeping' or 'bearring'.

Yes, this is a very sad state of affairs. At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, the concern was always that a central government power would infringe on the people's RKBA. There was little (if any) concern that the threat would come from state government.

[DrScaryGuy]

It's definitely a medium step in the right direction. In fact, it's pretty close to what I'd say has a chance of getting through without freaking out the FUDs. I'd like to see it extended to more than 6 months grace period though.
Got caught with a concealed gun on a CPL that expired less than 6 months ago? Here's your "fix it" ticket. Either you fix it within 2 months and pay nothing but your normal renewal, or you pay a bigger fine - but at least you're not getting hit with a felony charge anymore.
If you were otherwise prohibited from carrying concealed, nothing changes - you're still screwed.
It's literally a bill that makes life easier for decent people, and still keeps the penalty on bad people.

[PhotoTom]

Last Action: 9/8/2017 Analysis File Added

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2017-2018/billanalysis/House/pdf/2017-HLA-4458-3ECDD1FB.pdf

[PhotoTom]

HB 4458 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-HB-4458)
Weapons; licensing; penalty for failure to comply with certain licensing requirements; modify. Amends sec. 227 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227).
Last Action: 9/19/2017 referred to second reading

[Divegeek]

So if I'm reading this correctly, carrying a concealed weapon with out a CPL would become nothing more than a fine if the individual qualifies for a CPL but hasn't bothered to get one?

[ChaneyD]

No. You must qualify with both subsections. In other words you must have had a concealed permit at one point.

[PhotoTom]

HB 4458 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-HB-4458)
Weapons; licensing; penalty for failure to comply with certain licensing requirements; modify. Amends sec. 227 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227).
Last Action: 9/27/2017 transmitted

[zigziggityzoo]

That this is moved through the house and now onto the senate - tells me that Michigan has no interest in being a ConCarry state right now.

[PhotoTom]

HB 4458 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-HB-4458)
Weapons; licensing; penalty for failure to comply with certain licensing requirements; modify. Amends sec. 227 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227).
Last Action: 9/28/2017 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS