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Tallbear
03-31-2017, 11:35 AM
SB 0293 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-SB-0293)
Crimes; weapons; penalties for storing or leaving a firearm where it may be accessed by a minor; provide for. Amends sec. 223 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.223) & adds sec. 223a.
Last Action: 3/30/2017 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
Roundballer
03-31-2017, 12:26 PM
Here we go.

The Senators from the Metro areas officially wish to make ignorance/stupidity a crime!
Leader
03-31-2017, 01:11 PM
SB 0293 of 2017 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2017-SB-0293)
Crimes; weapons; penalties for storing or leaving a firearm where it may be accessed by a minor; provide for. Amends sec. 223 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.223) & adds sec. 223a.
Last Action: 3/30/2017 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

Wasn't that already shot down by a Fed Judge as unconstitutional?
DrScaryGuy
03-31-2017, 02:23 PM
oh gee, how nice. it's still "legal" for a kid to get the gun and use it in self defense...
but that would imply the kid has access at other times, which is illegal.

sink this bill
Leader
03-31-2017, 02:32 PM
What about children that have access to automobiles?
How about parents that allow kids in vehicles?
MP Miller
03-31-2017, 04:14 PM
No more laws

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counterpoint
04-03-2017, 09:28 AM
Hey I got an idea. We should outlaw stupid and unconstitutional legislators.


https://youtu.be/clW2jtv6qFc
VIGILANT
04-03-2017, 12:41 PM
Here we go.

The Senators from the Metro areas officially wish to make ignorance/stupidity a crime!

It's unfortunate, but it's ignorance/stupidity, that motivate law makers to make more laws.
45 acp
04-03-2017, 02:12 PM
oh gee, how nice. it's still "legal" for a kid to get the gun and use it in self defense...
but that would imply the kid has access at other times, which is illegal.

sink this bill

How can they have access to a gun when they need it if it has to be locked up at all other times. Many examples of kids using guns to defend themselves here.

This bill needs to die in committee.

KIDS KILL HOME INVADERS (COMPILATION 2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DsE2_L18lQ
DrScaryGuy
04-03-2017, 02:20 PM
How can they have access to a gun when they need it if it has to be locked up at all other times. Many examples of kids using guns to defend themselves here.

This bill needs to die in committee.

KIDS KILL HOME INVADERS (COMPILATION 2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DsE2_L18lQ

you missed my point. The law makes an "exception" for self defense. But if the kid can get it in an emergency, that implies the kid can get it at ANY time...
which is what the bill is trying to make illegal.
the bill contradicts itself.
45 acp
04-03-2017, 02:34 PM
you missed my point. The law makes an "exception" for self defense. But if the kid can get it in an emergency, that implies the kid can get it at ANY time...
which is what the bill is trying to make illegal.
the bill contradicts itself.

I did not miss your point the bill is stupid and needs to die.
Roundballer
04-03-2017, 03:24 PM
It's unfortunate, but it's ignorance/stupidity, that motivate law makers to make more laws.

Which is ignorant/stupid in itself, because the laws don't address the real issue!

EDUCATE DON'T LEGISLATE!
Flash-hider
04-03-2017, 05:37 PM
When I was growing up there was 1 Commandment that was higher than all others: "if you touch any of my gun's without my or your Mom's permission, you're going to get your ass whooped."
Leader
04-03-2017, 05:59 PM
When I was growing up there was 1 Commandment that was higher than all others: "if you touch any of my gun's without my or your Mom's permission, you're going to get your ass whooped."

Too bad you're in SW MI., Jeffery Fieger would represent you if you sued your parents for child abuse and got them sent to prison for treating you like that.
Maybe even get your Dr. bills paid.
Flash-hider
04-03-2017, 06:11 PM
Too bad you're in SW MI., Jeffery Fieger would represent you if you sued your parents for child abuse and got them sent to prison for treating you like that.
Maybe even get your Dr. bills paid.

While this is certainly a possibility, the hitch to this is that Mr. Fieger would have been ten years old at the time representing a five year old.
Leader
04-03-2017, 06:25 PM
While this is certainly a possibility, the hitch to this is that Mr. Fieger would have been ten years old at the time representing a five year old.

Hell he'd do it today, don't think child abuse has a statute of limitations.
Fieger is just that kind of ______.
Flash-hider
04-03-2017, 10:01 PM
Hell he'd do it today, don't think child abuse has a statute of limitations.
Fieger is just that kind of ______.

True words!
Bugshank
07-10-2017, 12:06 PM
This is complete BS. I was teaching my girls about firearms, firearms safety, function, goods, bads, consequences, and everything else when they were 2. End result: we have guns everywhere in our house, they know what they can do, they don't screw around with them, and they know what to do at a friend's house if one comes out.