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Jcookndazoo
02-16-2010, 06:17 PM
I just bought my first gun (glock 26 9mm)and i dont have my cpl yet. I know the gun has to be in a case in the trunk and the clip in the glove box but can the clip be loaded?
kingofthestalk
02-16-2010, 06:20 PM
yes as long as it's not in the gun or stored with the gun
GAMEOVER
02-16-2010, 08:00 PM
Its a magazine not a clip. I dont recommend driving around with it either. I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
SWMP15
02-16-2010, 08:56 PM
Its a magazine not a clip. I dont recommend driving around with it either. I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
:yeahthat:
What he said.....i mean i think you can prob get away with it depending who you are, where you are, what you are in, and what your record looks like, what your packing (gun), etc, etc,.... but dependent upon those and some other fluctuating conditions....DON'T CHANCE IT!
ninjatoth
02-16-2010, 08:58 PM
Are you people saying that the magazine can't be in the gun even if the gun is in it's case,because I never heard of that before.I always transport my 9mm and mag in the case it came with and there is a slot for the magazine.I just heard that the gun and or magazine had to be unloaded.
0infringement
02-16-2010, 09:14 PM
they were refering to a full mag.... not an empty one
silverbullet2005
02-16-2010, 09:28 PM
You don't have a CPL but you can still Open Carry until you get it, check out michiganopencarry.org for laws and more info.
Roundballer
02-16-2010, 11:03 PM
This is an excerpt from MCL. If you go to this websites home page and look in the top left box you will see Resources and links. The laws are all listed there in a pdf from the State website.
There is some incorrect info in the above posts. You have to read the laws and see which apply to your situation. Separating the ammo from the firearm as in a different container is not the general rule. If you don't have a CPL all firearms must be unloaded. With a CPL, only long arms need to be unloaded. Separating ammo from firearm appears to apply only to CPL holders when placing in transport mode before consumption of alcohol.
IANAL
750.227d Transporting or possessing firearm in or upon motor vehicle or self-propelled vehicle designed
for land travel; conditions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 227d. (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a motor vehicle or
any self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel a firearm, other than a pistol, unless the firearm is unloaded and is 1 or more
of the following:
(a) Taken down.
(b) Enclosed in a case.
(c) Carried in the trunk of the vehicle.
(d) Inaccessible from the interior of the vehicle.
(2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or
a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.
History: Add. 1981, Act 103, ***. Mar. 31, 1982.
quarterhorsemen
02-17-2010, 06:36 AM
I just bought my first gun (glock 26 9mm)and i dont have my cpl yet. I know the gun has to be in a case in the trunk and the clip in the glove box but can the clip be loaded?
750.231a Exceptions to MCL 750.227(2); definitions.
Sec. 231a.
(1) Subsection (2) of section 227 does not apply to any of the following:
(a) To a person holding a valid license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by his or her state of residence except where the pistol is carried in nonconformance with a restriction appearing on the license.
(b) To the regular and ordinary transportation of pistols as merchandise by an authorized agent of a person licensed to manufacture firearms.
(c) To a person carrying an antique firearm as defined in subsection (2), completely unloaded in a closed case or container designed for the storage of firearms in the trunk of a vehicle.
(d) To a person while transporting a pistol for a lawful purpose that is licensed by the owner or occupant of the motor vehicle in compliance with section 2 of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422, and the pistol is unloaded in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms in the trunk of the vehicle.
(e) To a person while transporting a pistol for a lawful purpose that is licensed by the owner or occupant of the motor vehicle in compliance with section 2 of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422, and the pistol is unloaded in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms in a vehicle that does not have a trunk and is not readily accessible to the occupants of the vehicle.
(2) As used in this section:
(a) "Antique firearm" means either of the following:
(i) A firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica of such a firearm, whether actually manufactured before or after 1898.
(ii) A firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
(b) "Lawful purpose" includes the following:
(i) While en route to or from a hunting or target shooting area.
(ii) While transporting a pistol en route to or from his or her home or place of business and place of repair.
(iii) While moving goods from 1 place of abode or business to another place of abode or business.
(iv) While transporting a licensed pistol en route to or from a law enforcement agency or for the purpose of having a law enforcement official take possession of the weapon.
(v) While en route to or from his or her abode or place of business and a gun show or places of purchase or sale.
(vi) While en route to or from his or her abode to a public shooting facility or public land where discharge of firearms is permitted by law, rule, regulation, or local ordinance.
(vii) While en route to or from his or her abode to a private property location where the pistol is to be used as is permitted by law, rule, regulation, or local ordinance.
History: Add. 1964, Act 215, ***. Aug. 28, 1964 ;-- Am. 1973, Act 191, ***. Mar. 29, 1974 ;-- Am. 1974, Act 55, Imd. ***. Apr. 1, 1974 ;-- Am. 1978, Act 280, Imd. ***. July 6, 1978 ;-- Am. 2002, Act 82, Imd. ***. Mar. 26, 2002 ;-- Am. 2008, Act 196, ***. Jan. 7, 2009
So many conflicting opinions.
You can have your firearm in your trunk for any lawful purpose, in a case with loaded mags in the same case... But you can not have loaded mags in the gun, while it is in the case. This is how I interpret our Cluster F'd set of firearm laws...
kdogg
02-17-2010, 12:19 PM
Jim Simmons (the retired MGO legal moderator) or however you spell his last name said there is currently no case law on carrying a loaded magazine but did not advise doing so if you don't have a CPL.
Although he did say if anyone's ever charged for that, he has some information on the subject ready to go.
I asked the same thing before I got my CPL.
SWMP15
02-17-2010, 12:32 PM
You don't have a CPL but you can still Open Carry until you get it, check out michiganopencarry.org for laws and more info.
yeah, good luck with that.... you cannot go anywhere with an open carry firearm bc you cant go anywhere that sells or serves liquor (gas stations, party stores, grocery stores, gun stores, etc etc.), which makes up like 70% of the stores someone would normally frequent.Your pretty much stuck at home or on private property. I thought i could open carry at a gun store and was sadly mistaken....
OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL BUT YOUR GOING TO GET ********D WITH! PERIOD!
Leader
02-17-2010, 04:19 PM
I just bought my first gun (glock 26 9mm)and i dont have my cpl yet. I know the gun has to be in a case in the trunk and the clip in the glove box but can the clip be loaded?
If you have your gun unloaded in a case in the trunk, you will be legal.
The magizne may be loaded and in the same case but NOT in the gun.
492vs
02-18-2010, 11:00 AM
CAREFULLY Read the MI Law first then ask the forum questions if you are confused. I am a new shooter but not new to reading forums. One thing that I have found that on web forums "everyone is an expert" (at least in their own minds.) This is why you & I should read the law as written and then ask questions. The MSP website has a good FAQ section on handgun law that puts many of the questions in plain english that may answer many of your questions. If you take your CPL class and they tell you to put your ammo in the glove box, they are offering you good advice but are not quoting the law. There is nothing in the law that I have found that states that the ammunition must be in a separate compartment from the gun. I say this while at the same time I would recommend keeping your ammunition in a separate container or wrapper, why?, because by doing so you are showing that you are taking further steps to be in compliance with the law. So to answer your question, if you have a trunk your handgun must be in the trunk in a wrapper or case unloaded. I would keep the magazine unloaded also because the DNR considers a handgun loaded if the magazine is loaded. See Section 324.43513 (Sec. 43513.
(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm without a hunting license if the firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine and either enclosed in a case or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle. A person may carry, transport, or possess a slingshot, bow and arrow, or crossbow without a hunting license if the slingshot, bow, or crossbow is unstrung, enclosed in a case, or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle.)
But don't take my word for it, go read the law!
Leader
02-18-2010, 11:58 AM
CAREFULLY Read the MI Law first then ask the forum questions if you are confused. I am a new shooter but not new to reading forums. One thing that I have found that on web forums "everyone is an expert" (at least in their own minds.) This is why you & I should read the law as written and then ask questions. The MSP website has a good FAQ section on handgun law that puts many of the questions in plain english that may answer many of your questions. If you take your CPL class and they tell you to put your ammo in the glove box, they are offering you good advice but are not quoting the law. There is nothing in the law that I have found that states that the ammunition must be in a separate compartment from the gun. I say this while at the same time I would recommend keeping your ammunition in a separate container or wrapper, why?, because by doing so you are showing that you are taking further steps to be in compliance with the law. So to answer your question, if you have a trunk your handgun must be in the trunk in a wrapper or case unloaded. I would keep the magazine unloaded also because the DNR considers a handgun loaded if the magazine is loaded. See Section 324.43513 (Sec. 43513.
(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm without a hunting license if the firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine and either enclosed in a case or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle. A person may carry, transport, or possess a slingshot, bow and arrow, or crossbow without a hunting license if the slingshot, bow, or crossbow is unstrung, enclosed in a case, or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle.)
But don't take my word for it, go read the law!
The DNR has said repeatably that a loaded magazine that is DETACHED from the firearm is NOT considered a loaded firearm. Nor is just the possession of a loaded magazine considered CCW.
I was going to give you a link to that but, with the reorganization of the department, their FAQ section is gone.
who dat
02-18-2010, 12:20 PM
CAREFULLY Read the MI Law first then ask the forum questions if you are confused. I am a new shooter but not new to reading forums. One thing that I have found that on web forums "everyone is an expert" (at least in their own minds.) This is why you & I should read the law as written and then ask questions. The MSP website has a good FAQ section on handgun law that puts many of the questions in plain english that may answer many of your questions. If you take your CPL class and they tell you to put your ammo in the glove box, they are offering you good advice but are not quoting the law. There is nothing in the law that I have found that states that the ammunition must be in a separate compartment from the gun. I say this while at the same time I would recommend keeping your ammunition in a separate container or wrapper, why?, because by doing so you are showing that you are taking further steps to be in compliance with the law. So to answer your question, if you have a trunk your handgun must be in the trunk in a wrapper or case unloaded. I would keep the magazine unloaded also because the DNR considers a handgun loaded if the magazine is loaded. See Section 324.43513 (Sec. 43513.
(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm without a hunting license if the firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine and either enclosed in a case or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle. A person may carry, transport, or possess a slingshot, bow and arrow, or crossbow without a hunting license if the slingshot, bow, or crossbow is unstrung, enclosed in a case, or carried in a vehicle in a location that is not readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle.)
But don't take my word for it, go read the law!Read the law even after reading the MSP website. They have been known to get it wrong many times. Nothing works better than a MCL prefacing the "facts".
492vs
02-18-2010, 01:16 PM
Read the law even after reading the MSP website. They have been known to get it wrong many times. Nothing works better than a MCL prefacing the "facts".
I not sure what a MCL is but I stated one should read the law first. I then suggested going to the MSP website. Could you give me specifics on what they have "wrong" on thier website? This is what I meant by one has to be careful about what they read on forums. Mostly opinions, no facts, and opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one and most of them stink.
:lolup:
who dat
02-18-2010, 01:24 PM
I not sure what a MCL is but I stated one should read the law first. I then suggested going to the MSP website. Could you give me specifics on what they have "wrong" on thier website? This is what I meant by one has to be careful about what they read on forums. Mostly opinions, no facts, and opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one and most of them stink.
:lolup:MCL means Michigan Compiled Laws. It's the real law that the MSP tries to interpret, but often misinterprets.
And for the bolded part, I can only say I was trying to clarify not flame. I'll leave my original thoughts unsaid.
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=78456&page=60
Post 600.
492vs
02-18-2010, 01:33 PM
Sorry if I misunderstood your intent and thanks for the MCL clarification.
office888
02-18-2010, 04:24 PM
I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
No.
Self-defense is a lawful purpose, even without a CPL. I carry my 1911A1 almost everywhere I go, sometimes my AK-copy or AR too.
SIMPLESPEAK:
Put the handgun in a case.
Separate it from the ammo (loaded mags OUTSIDE the case).
Put it in your trunk.
OR
If your vehicle DOES NOT have a trunk, store it outside the reach of passenger/driver. If you want to feel extra-covered from legal repercussions, put a lock on it too.
-Richard-
J1000
02-18-2010, 06:28 PM
No.
Self-defense is a lawful purpose, even without a CPL. I carry my 1911A1 almost everywhere I go, sometimes my AK-copy or AR too.
SIMPLESPEAK:
Put the handgun in a case.
Separate it from the ammo (loaded mags OUTSIDE the case).
Put it in your trunk.
OR
If your vehicle DOES NOT have a trunk, store it outside the reach of passenger/driver. If you want to feel extra-covered from legal repercussions, put a lock on it too.
-Richard-
And the way your suggestion was explained by the LEO in my CPL class is this: if you have time to go back and open your trunk, unlock and load your gun, then use it, it is no longer self defense, but murder; the point being that there must not have been imminent danger if you had that much time, and that was enough time to leave instead.
dpgperftest
02-18-2010, 07:08 PM
Jim Simmons (the retired MGO legal moderator) or however you spell his last name said there is currently no case law on carrying a loaded magazine but did not advise doing so if you don't have a CPL.
Although he did say if anyone's ever charged for that, he has some information on the subject ready to go.
I asked the same thing before I got my CPL.
a loaded mag in its self is the cantaner? as long is its not in the gun
XDM 40 cal
02-22-2010, 10:44 PM
I"m just waiting on my cpl, till then i have put my Firearm in the trunk of my car, and my tactical bag with clips and ammo up with me..
This is the legal way,till you get a CCW/CPL.... then you can carry and following the CCW laws ....
i would recommend for all a case like this for your car to store you "friend" while you are having a good time with you bud's and wife's etc..
http://www.consolevault.us/index.php
this is just one of many styles...:scratch:
jmartin
02-23-2010, 12:49 AM
I"m just waiting on my cpl, till then i have put my Firearm in the trunk of my car, and my tactical bag with clips and ammo up with me..
This is the legal way,till you get a CCW/CPL.... then you can carry and following the CCW laws ....
i would recommend for all a case like this for your car to store you "friend" while you are having a good time with you bud's and wife's etc..
http://www.consolevault.us/index.php
this is just one of many styles...:scratch:
- Nice....just wish they had one to fit my Jeep center console :(
Wlkrbob
02-23-2010, 07:00 PM
- Nice....just wish they had one to fit my Jeep center console :(
X2
office888
02-24-2010, 01:15 PM
And the way your suggestion was explained by the LEO in my CPL class is this: if you have time to go back and open your trunk, unlock and load your gun, then use it, it is no longer self defense, but murder; the point being that there must not have been imminent danger if you had that much time, and that was enough time to leave instead.
Nice.
Except when I leave my car, my 1911A1 comes with me. On a holster. On my hip.
The long rifle is there for if I catch myself into a North Hollywood situation, or the Benton Harbor riots again.
Ya' never know? :D
-Richard-
I"m just waiting on my cpl, till then i have put my Firearm in the trunk of my car, and my tactical bag with clips and ammo up with me..
This is the legal way,till you get a CCW/CPL.... then you can carry and following the CCW laws ....
i would recommend for all a case like this for your car to store you "friend" while you are having a good time with you bud's and wife's etc..
consolevault
this is just one of many styles...:scratch:
If anyone has seen one of these for a Jeep GC, let me know...that would be great!
callit
03-11-2010, 12:54 PM
And the way your suggestion was explained by the LEO in my CPL class is this: if you have time to go back and open your trunk, unlock and load your gun, then use it, it is no longer self defense, but murder; the point being that there must not have been imminent danger if you had that much time, and that was enough time to leave instead.
Transporting for lawful purposes - I may be going somewhere where I intend to open carry for self defense. That's lawful.
I can't carry it in the passenger compartment of my car, but once I reach my destination, I can rearm myself.
I agree with everyone who says "just get your CPL" but the wait time on that is still pretty high in some areas. Macomb County has a 3-4 month wait right now.
who dat
03-12-2010, 07:37 AM
Transporting for lawful purposes - I may be going somewhere where I intend to open carry for self defense. That's lawful.
I can't carry it in the passenger compartment of my car, but once I reach my destination, I can rearm myself.
I agree with everyone who says "just get your CPL" but the wait time on that is still pretty high in some areas. Macomb County has a 3-4 month wait right now.Does not getting it make the wait less?:rotate:
If the wait is that long, they MUST issue you a temporary until you are approved or denied. They have 45 days, by law, after your fingerprints are returned to issue or give you a temp. Press them on it.
Not busting your chops here, just joking. Go for it, you will be able to carry in more places with it than without it and you won't have to be dealing with all the storage hassles.
Missahba
03-12-2010, 06:36 PM
I would keep the magazine unloaded also because the DNR considers a handgun loaded if the magazine is loaded. See Section 324.43513 (Sec. 43513.
(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm without a hunting license if the firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine
This DNR statute is a little confusing. However, what it means is that the firearm must have an empty chamber, and no loaded magazine in the firearm. So an internal tube, rotary, or blind stack has to be empty, or a removable magazine has to be out of the firearm. "Firearm unloaded in barrel and magazine", not "magazine unloaded."
Its kind of like the car commercials. Professional drivers and all .... Laws are better read by lawyers, because that's who wrote them (and not always very well, at that).
dpgperftest
03-12-2010, 06:57 PM
This DNR statute is a little confusing. However, what it means is that the firearm must have an empty chamber, and no loaded magazine in the firearm. So an internal tube, rotary, or blind stack has to be empty, or a removable magazine has to be out of the firearm. "Firearm unloaded in barrel and magazine", not "magazine unloaded."
Its kind of like the car commercials. Professional drivers and all .... Laws are better read by lawyers, because that's who wrote them (and not always very well, at that).
Done that way by Design
beerme
03-12-2010, 07:02 PM
This DNR statute is a little confusing. However, what it means is that the firearm must have an empty chamber, and no loaded magazine in the firearm. So an internal tube, rotary, or blind stack has to be empty, or a removable magazine has to be out of the firearm. "Firearm unloaded in barrel and magazine", not "magazine unloaded."
Its kind of like the car commercials. Professional drivers and all .... Laws are better read by lawyers, because that's who wrote them (and not always very well, at that).
you just answered what i have been wondering
thank you
:)
KN
Leader
03-12-2010, 07:18 PM
Done that way by Design
No... Actually the people that wrote the law never dreamed anyone would consider an unattached magazine as being a loaded gun.
ChaneyD
03-12-2010, 07:20 PM
Its a magazine not a clip. I dont recommend driving around with it either. I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
No you can't.
Missahba
03-12-2010, 08:10 PM
Trouble is in the eye of the "suspected". Maybe he means when he's out by the trunk with one officer, and the other is in the car, and yells "We've got a loaded magazine!", and the LEO by the trunk responds accordingly. You fill in the details. Not illegal, but I don't recommend having them in the console.
But then again, don't look in my suburban because I don't follow my own advise. There are boxes of 20 ga. in the back from the last dog training day, .22 rounds loose in various nooks and crannies like most soccer moms have french fries in a mini-van, a box of slugs from last deer season, and 1/2 box of 45 acp, at the moment. Not to mention the occasional firearm traveling to and from the range, shop, or the carry piece when I'm somewhere I can't wear it.
dpgperftest
03-12-2010, 08:26 PM
No... Actually the people that wrote the law never dreamed anyone would consider an unattached magazine as being a loaded gun.
I dont think of that,
hmmm you saying the DNR is out dated
dpgperftest
03-12-2010, 08:28 PM
mmmmm clips anyone have any dip mmmmmmmmm
dam thats clips not chips dam.
how did food get in the issue
budd-e-knuckles
03-13-2010, 02:54 PM
If my memory serves me right... it was found that the DNR could not make law... only enforce it.
Is that NOT why they had to back-track, and now allow concealed-carry using a CCW / CPL in State Parks? (you just gotta have a squirrel hold your "piece" for you while you use there pooper!
Bud (knuckles)
agksimon
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
yeah, good luck with that.... you cannot go anywhere with an open carry firearm bc you cant go anywhere that sells or serves liquor (gas stations, party stores, grocery stores, gun stores, etc etc.), which makes up like 70% of the stores someone would normally frequent.Your pretty much stuck at home or on private property. I thought i could open carry at a gun store and was sadly mistaken....
OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL BUT YOUR GOING TO GET ********D WITH! PERIOD!
I called the Grand Rapids Police Department a couple of weeks ago and talked to the lieutenant that's the first shift supervisor and he told me that they were told by the chief that open carry is allowed and you won't be bothered by them, as long as you can and are carrying legally.
I was very surprised when he told me that, as I expected him to tell me that open carry would get you arrested.
dirtyharry
03-22-2010, 11:27 AM
...I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
This is false (x1,000). Open carry is a "lawful" purpose. If you choose to open carry, then you can infact transport you handgun (unloaded) in your trunk. When you arrive at your destination, you can then load the gun (outside of the passenger compartment of the vehicle), holster it, and then go about your bisiness.
Wolvee
03-22-2010, 11:52 AM
From here on out, till the end of my life, I will always call a magazine a clip just to irritate people.
Clip Clip Clip
Its a magazine not a clip. I dont recommend driving around with it either. I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
who dat
03-22-2010, 11:55 AM
This is false (x1,000). Open carry is a "lawful" purpose. If you choose to open carry, then you can infact transport you handgun (unloaded) in your trunk. When you arrive at your destination, you can then load the gun (outside of the passenger compartment of the vehicle), holster it, and then go about your bisiness.
When I did that after being in the courthouse, I was loading up to carry concealed. Trouble was, it was in the parking lot of my local liquor store.
I wonder what passersby thought of that?
shooter57
04-13-2010, 11:57 AM
yeah, good luck with that.... you cannot go anywhere with an open carry firearm bc you cant go anywhere that sells or serves liquor (gas stations, party stores, grocery stores, gun stores, etc etc.), which makes up like 70% of the stores someone would normally frequent.Your pretty much stuck at home or on private property. I thought i could open carry at a gun store and was sadly mistaken....
OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL BUT YOUR GOING TO GET ********D WITH! PERIOD!
Another myth. The business must make it's living with the alcohol side of selling to not be able to carry.
Ken KD
04-13-2010, 12:53 PM
Another myth. The business must make it's living with the alcohol side of selling to not be able to carry.
And another misinterpretation......you cannot OC anywhere alcohol is sold....unless you have a CPL. With the CPL, you can carry OC or CC in any establishment that sells alcohol for off-premise consumption.
Of course, there are a few exceptions....please consult the MCL's for further info.
I think I'm right, unless of course I'm wrong, then someone will correct me too!!! :D
Leader
04-13-2010, 12:57 PM
And another misinterpretation......you cannot OC anywhere alcohol is sold....unless you have a CPL. With the CPL, you can carry OC or CC in any establishment that sells alcohol for off-premise consumption.
Of course, there are a few exceptions....please consult the MCL's for further info.
I think I'm right, unless of course I'm wrong, then someone will correct me too!!! :D
Actually Ken, you are right.
Shooter57 needs to actually read the laws, not just regurgitate what he heard from some police officer or CPL class.
RUMBLEBEECUDA
08-16-2010, 06:22 PM
Its a magazine not a clip. I dont recommend driving around with it either. I dont have a CPL and you can get in trouble for just carrying it around with you anywhere.
So to and from range or gunshop.
For a pistol its a clip, for a AR/AK (longarms) it's considered to being a Mag
DocCasualty
08-16-2010, 07:50 PM
For a pistol its a clip, for a AR/AK (longarms) it's considered to being a Mag
:popcorn: Here we go . . .
Dabears!
08-18-2010, 08:05 AM
You have nothing to worry about.
The glock 26 uses magazines not clips.
so whatever clips you are carrying will not function that firearm.
just keep the ammo away and on your clips for whatever strange reason.
keep the loaded mag in your glovebox
keep the gun in its case in the trunk
open carry if you want
OUTSIDE THE THE PANTS HOLSTER ONLY
load gun outside of vehicle
do so somewhat discretely to avoid people seeing someone load a gun.
stay away from places that have a liquor license or a school or any other PFZ for OC w/o cpl and youll be ok
I recommend having a voice recorder handy
Dabears!
08-18-2010, 08:09 AM
For a pistol its a clip, for a AR/AK (longarms) it's considered to being a Mag
Explain?
they are the same thing
a box with a spring pushing a follower.
That is loaded with bullets.
so how are they different?
http://i14.tinypic.com/2h5snth.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9hI7alv4qQQ-hM:http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb274/OD1911/clipmag1.jpg&t=1
The worst part is the attitude you kids have that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
Leader
08-18-2010, 10:32 AM
You have nothing to worry about.
The glock 26 uses magazines not clips.
so whatever clips you are carrying will not function that firearm.
just keep the ammo away and on your clips for whatever strange reason.
keep the loaded mag in your glovebox
keep the gun in its case in the trunk
open carry if you want
OUTSIDE THE THE PANTS HOLSTER ONLY
load gun outside of vehicle
do so somewhat discretely to avoid people seeing someone load a gun.
stay away from places that have a liquor license or a school or any other PFZ for OC w/o cpl and youll be ok
I recommend having a voice recorder handy
Why do you suggest keeping the ammo in the glovebox?
As many times as this has been addressed, I don't understand why this misinformation keeps being repeted.
Dabears!
08-18-2010, 11:30 AM
explain?
reverendg
08-18-2010, 12:02 PM
It is simple guys.....an M1 Garand uses clips, an M1 carbine takes a magazine. I don't know of any clip fed pistols off-hand, unless you mean "moon" clips for revolvers. Clips are cheap and expendable, magazines not so much. Many guns have an integral magazine.
Leader
08-18-2010, 12:09 PM
explain?
There is NO requirement to seperate ammo & the firearm. Only that the firearm be unloaded.
You can carry the ammo in the same case as the gun.
RUMBLEBEECUDA
08-18-2010, 12:24 PM
Explain?
they are the same thing
a box with a spring pushing a follower.
That is loaded with bullets.
so how are they different?
http://i14.tinypic.com/2h5snth.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9hI7alv4qQQ-hM:http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb274/OD1911/clipmag1.jpg&t=1
The worst part is the attitude you kids have that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
I didn't mean to put any attitude in it, but everyone I've talked to says what I stated, I guess I'll just say most the people I've talked to are not reliable then. In some things maybe, anyways I'm still learning
EDIT: I just remembered who told me that, I was at GanderMountain and I was looking at a couple of pistols, I asked the firearms clerk 'how many rounds would these mags hold" and he corrected me (well un-corrected) and said they were 'clips'
Roundballer
08-18-2010, 03:03 PM
explain?There is NO requirement to seperate ammo & the firearm. Only that the firearm be unloaded.
You can carry the ammo in the same case as the gun.
Man I hate to bust your chops.... But there IS LAW......Generally speaking you are correct, and in most situations, what you are saying should fly.
There is a certain set of conditions that create a situation where the ammo does need to be separated from the cased firearm and stored separately.
Section 28.425k (3) (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(pxqpy32ivhnxlm45qzwgon45))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-28-425k&highlight=CCW%20AND%20Blood)
(3) This section does not prohibit an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol who has any bodily alcohol content from transporting that pistol in the locked trunk of his or her motor vehicle or another motor vehicle in which he or she is a passenger or, if the vehicle does not have a trunk, from transporting that pistol unloaded in a locked compartment or container that is separated from the ammunition for that pistol or on a vessel if the pistol is transported unloaded in a locked compartment or container that is separated from the ammunition for that pistol.
Our laws are so muddled, spread out and convoluted that it is almost impossible to make an absolute statement that something "IS" or "IS NOT", all it takes is one exception.
Leader
08-18-2010, 07:15 PM
The man wasn't talking about drinking while he had a CPL,
What I said applies to what was posted.
This constant quoting laws that do not apply to the question does not make you look smarter, it only confuses the OP.
jmartin
08-19-2010, 12:14 AM
- Nice....just wish they had one to fit my Jeep center console :(
Sold my Jeep; got an F-150....NOW I can get one :)
:cheers:
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