HB 4690 of 2019
Weapons; firearms; certain requirements before individual may rent, lease, or loan a firearm; provide for. Amends 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 - 28.435) by adding sec. 2c.
Last Action: 6/6/2019 bill electronically reproduced 06/05/2019
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HB 4690 of 2019
Weapons; firearms; certain requirements before individual may rent, lease, or loan a firearm; provide for. Amends 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 - 28.435) by adding sec. 2c.
Last Action: 6/6/2019 bill electronically reproduced 06/05/2019
This is very similar to SB 1044 of 2018
It applies to ranges and requires that, before renting or loaning a firearm to an individual, that individual be run through NICS or have a CPL or have a LTP.
If a range's employee fails to verify the above, the range is subject to a $500 civil infraction fine.
And as norm, they have completely ignored the need for youth instruction.
Do these Dims ever think things through before they introduce them?
i contacted my Rep on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoTom
Here is Rep Kevin Hertel's (D) reply and our exchange:
Dear Representative Hertel,
Please oppose HB 4690.
This is a terrible bill.
Among other things, it would make it near impossible to teach gun safety to our youth, novice hunters and sportsmen/sportswomen.
Since target shooting and hunting are such a large industry in our State, this bill would also hurt our economy. We are already struggling to encourage our youth to follow in the hunting and outdoor sport tradition; please do not make it any harder.
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Dear Lance,
Thank you for taking the time to write to me regarding House Bill 4690.
While I appreciate the need to train young people in novices and gun safety, I do not believe this bill takes away that right. The bill states that a participant in a gun range must either have a valid weapons license or not be prohibited from owning a firearm under federal law. Its sole goal is to prevent those who have been convicted of violent crimes from exploiting loopholes in gun use laws.
This bill is currently assigned to the House Judiciary Committee, where it awaits a hearing by the Chair. To track the progress of this legislation, please visit www.legislature.mi.gov.
Once again, thank you for your email. Please feel free to write to me if I may ever be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Kevin Hertel
State Representative
District 18
517-373-1180
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Thank you for your reply Representative Hertel.
Please think unintended consequences, Representative Hertel.
People under 21 cannot get a "weapons license" as you call it (CPL?).
In addition, most Michigan adult residents and hunters (or, would be hunters) do not yet possess a CPL.
Yet, thousands of people under 21, and adults without CPL's, are taught gun safety in Hunters Ed classes every year.
People under 21 may not purchase a handgun, or pistol, from an FFL, nor own a pistol while under 18, yet I started teaching my daughters to safely handle pistols at an early age.
I hope to begin teaching my granddaughter to safely enjoy shooting sports very soon.
I speak only for myself Congressman, but I can say with confidence that every sportsman's and hunting organization in the State of Michigan will vigorously oppose this bill. And, who would know the merits (or, lack thereof) of this bill better than those of us who use and train and teach with guns every day?
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Hello again Lance,
I just wanted to clarify—as long as any of the people you mention are not federally banned from possessing a weapon because of a background check, they will still be able to participate at shooting ranges. I do not intend to take away ability to participate in the sport from anyone who has not committed a crime demonstrating their lack of gun safety or proving violence and would not vote for such a bill.
Best,
Kevin
Hello Kevin, you ignorant self promoting fool.Quote:
Hello again Lance,
I just wanted to clarify—as long as any of the people you mention are not federally banned from possessing a weapon because of a background check, they will still be able to participate at shooting ranges. I do not intend to take away ability to participate in the sport from anyone who has not committed a crime demonstrating their lack of gun safety or proving violence and would not vote for such a bill.
Best,
Kevin
You are requiring those that are not old enough to apply for a background check to pass a background check.
my rep isn't any better
That's why I just delete any email that starts with "Please contact your ... and ask them to oppose..."
Mine are also witless bots (D), in lockstep with the party line, and will not listen to logic. :bash:
Can you run a NICS on a minor? How would a minor even prove their own name?
Student ID? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eightbit