HB 4283 use of rifle in shotgun zone

[Tallbear]

HB 4283 of 2013
Natural resources; hunting; use of certain firearms during firearm deer season; allow. Amends sec. 43526 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43526).
Last Action: 2/19/2013 referred to Committee on Tourism

[Divegeek]

looks about the same as last year. It has the stupid 1.16-1.8" cartridge length regulation in there. Which means that a .380/9x17mm Walther PPK/S would be acceptable, but a 9x19mm from a carbine with a 16" barrel isn't "powerful enough".

It is an improvement over what we have now, but still ridiculous.

[klijewski]

looks about the same as last year. It has the stupid 1.16-1.8" cartridge length regulation in there. Which means that a .380/9x17mm Walther PPK/S would be acceptable, but a 9x19mm from a carbine with a 16" barrel isn't "powerful enough".

It is an improvement over what we have now, but still ridiculous.

WAT? .380 is shorter than 1.16.

What they need to do is open it up to all leaver action rifles or at least make the length longer to include the 45-70. This does include the .357 mag and 44mag though.

[sasquatchpa]

Who should we e-mail/call ? Who are the committee members? List them and I will call...

[klijewski]

looks like rep. Matt Lori introduced the bill
124 N Capitol Ave Lansing, MI 48933
(517) 373-0832

[Roundballer]

Who should we e-mail/call ? Who are the committee members? List them and I will call...

Tourism:

Peter Pettalia (R) Committee Chair, 106th District
Ken Goike (R) Majority Vice-Chair, 33rd District
Hugh D. Crawford (R) 38th District
Bob Genetski (R) 80th District
Bruce Rendon (R) 103rd District
Dave Pagel (R) 78th District
Robert Kosowski (D) Minority Vice-Chair, 16th District
Charles Brunner (D) 96th District
John Kivela (D) 109th District
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Joy Brewer, Committee Clerk
517-373-8474
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Maybe suggest that the lower length be moved to 0.75 to include .38sp and 9x19, and still keep the .380 out.

This same bill, introduced by the same rep, passed the house last year 106 to 2. The bill died in the Senate.

[Walther]

And the .30 M1 Carbine. I can use it or my Blackhawk in .30 Carbine up north, neither one down here. This is an opportunity to include it in the handgun listing as well.

There are so few cartridges that meet the criteria it'd be simpler just to list them instead of using caliber and Min/Max length.

What is included here? Common ones would be 9mm, .38 special .357, .40 Smith, .41 mag, .44 special, 44 mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, what am I missing? Not sure you could even find a long gun for .38 or .44 spec, never looked. Maybe I'll get an Auto Ordinance Thompson, that'd be fun to hunt deer with....

[sasquatchpa]

Walther--H&R makes a handi-rifle in .357 and .44

[MrSmithMSU]

Walther - there are .357 leverguns that will use .38spl - I wonder if some of the .44Mag leverguns will accept .44spl as well.

[Crow Buster]

The reality is this has little to do with ballistics, and much to do with safe gun handling/shooter education and responsibility. A knucklehead with a .22 is much more dangerous than your typical sportsman with a 30-06. The Pennsylvania study is the only scientific data that deals with the subject; it clearly shows that rifle, shotgun, and ML are very similar when it comes to downrange dangers.

I live in the middle of a state game area, and every season there are a couple of folks that give me cause for concern, but it never has anything to do with what gun they are carrying. Some folks would be dangerous running around with a stick in their hands.


CB