HB 4283 use of rifle in shotgun zone

[Walther]

Walther--H&R makes a handi-rifle in .357 and .44

Several companies make them. I was wondering more about the .38 and .44 specials, not magnums.

Walther - there are .357 leverguns that will use .38spl - I wonder if some of the .44Mag leverguns will accept .44spl as well.

Thanks. I'm going to ask around, not that I'd have either one, just out of interest.

[Divegeek]

WAT? .380 is shorter than 1.16.

You are correct .380 is shorter than 1.16", but there is not a restriction on cartridge length out of a pistol, only the new part about rifles chambered in pistol cartridges. So therefore, as the proposal is written, you can hunt deer with a .380 pistol, but not a .380 rifle. (not that I have seen too many rifles in .380) Same goes for 9x19mm. I could hunt with a Glock 19 if I plugged the mag to hold less than 8rnds, but I couldn't hunt with a carbine chambered in the same 9x19mm.

[Leader]

The reality is this has little to do with ballistics, and much to do with safe gun handling/shooter education and responsibility. A knucklehead with a .22 is much more dangerous than your typical sportsman with a 30-06. The Pennsylvania study is the only scientific data that deals with the subject; it clearly shows that rifle, shotgun, and ML are very similar when it comes to downrange dangers.

I live in the middle of a state game area, and every season there are a couple of folks that give me cause for concern, but it never has anything to do with what gun they are carrying. Some folks would be dangerous running around with a stick in their hands.


CB

What study is that? I didn't know one existed .
I would like to read it.

[Crow Buster]

I believe this is the summary:

http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/reports/2007/168fs.PDF


CB

[art]

Any real chance this year, or is it doomed again....

[Roundballer]

Any real chance this year, or is it doomed again....

Yes, there is always a chance. We have until Dec, 2014 to get this bill the way we want it, and convince our Reps and Senators to pass it.

Write your Rep and Senator, and tell them your thoughts.

[petemi]

It's "Et up with the Yankee Dumbass". Light caliber pistol ammo like the.380 and .38s are not what I'd call acceptable deer rounds. I wouldn't use either. If folks go into the field with them, there's going to be wounded deer. I wish they'd leave the regulations to people with a clue rather than politicians.

Pete

[Tallbear]

HB 4283 of 2013
Natural resources; hunting; use of certain firearms during firearm deer season; allow. Amends sec. 43526 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43526).
Last Action: 4/24/2013 Analysis File Added

[buckey]

So what's the chances this time?

[Leader]

It's "Et up with the Yankee Dumbass". Light caliber pistol ammo like the.380 and .38s are not what I'd call acceptable deer rounds. I wouldn't use either. If folks go into the field with them, there's going to be wounded deer. I wish they'd leave the regulations to people with a clue rather than politicians.

Pete

I guess the next question is.... Would you use a .380 or .38s on a human?

Most grown humans are bigger then adult deer.