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    Why can't this stuff be written in normal languaneze!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb32 View Post
    Why can't this stuff be written in normal languaneze!!
    So says the engineer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoTom View Post
    So says the engineer?
    Touche!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallbear View Post
    So, you're saying the SOS can use the MSP as a place to store the photo's and signature's used on on our driver license that then can be used on our CPL ?
    That is not what I am pointing out at all!
    The SoS is responsible for the security of the materials and papers from which operator's licenses and chauffeur's licenses are produced. That includes the digital images. Under the current law MCL 257-307 the SOS is not specifically authorized to release the "materials and papers" for the purpose of the MSP providing it to the County Clerks for printing the CPL. There is a "nebulous" line about "laws of the State", but nothing about for use on a CPL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallbear View Post
    And why does the SOS need the MSP to store that information?
    The SoS does not need the MSP to "store" the information, but the SoS needs authorization to release the information to be used in this application.


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    This doesn't authorize them to release the "materials and papers" for the purpose of the MSP providing it to the County Clerks for printing the CPL?

    28.425c(4) The secretary of state shall make a digitized photograph taken of the applicant for a driver license or personal identification card available to the department for use under this act. The department shall provide the photograph of the applicant received from the secretary of state to the county clerk who shall use the photograph on the individual's license unless the applicant does not have a digitized photograph on file with the secretary of state. If an applicant does not have a digitized photograph on file with the secretary of state, the applicant shall provide a passport-quality photograph of the applicant as provided under section 5b(1).

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    Without it saying in 28.425c(4) that it is a specific exemption from requirement of 257.307, I would balk at complying too.

    The other option (what they are doing) is add the exemption to the section that outlaws it.


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    Judiciary, Rep. Jim Runestad, Chair

    DATE: Tuesday, February 28, 2017

    TIME: 12:00 PM

    PLACE: Room 326,
    House Office Building, Lansing, MI

    AGENDA:
    HB 4203 (Rep. LaFave) State; identification cards; secretary of state sharing of photographs taken for official state personal identification card with the department of state police; allow.

    HB 4204 (Rep. Cole) Traffic control; driver license; access to driver license photograph of concealed weapons license holders; allow by department of state police.

    SB 38 (Sen. Jones) Law enforcement; records; procedure for fingerprinting and photographing of individual with special health care needs taken and submitted to the automated fingerprint identification system (AFIS) and the statewide network of agency photos upon request of parent or guardian; allow and establish.

    HB 4137 (Rep. Frederick) Law enforcement; records; fingerprinting and photographing of child or youth with special health care needs taken and submitted to the automated fingerprint identification system (AFIS) and the statewide network of agency photos upon request of parent or guardian; allow.

    SB 39 (Sen. Jones) Probate; other; exceptions to definition of surviving spouse in relation to a funeral representative; revise.

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    HB 4204 of 2017
    Traffic control; driver license; access to driver license photograph of concealed weapons license holders; allow by department of state police. Amends sec. 307 of 1949 PA 300 (MCL 257.307).
    Last Action: 2/27/2017 Analysis File Added

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    Judiciary, Rep. Jim Runestad, Chair

    DATE: Tuesday, March 7, 2017

    TIME: 12:00 PM

    PLACE: Room 326,
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    AGENDA:
    HB 4131 (Rep. Runestad) Retirement; other; forfeiture of employer contributions to a defined contribution plan if public employee is convicted of certain felonies; provide for.

    HB 4137 (Rep. Frederick) Law enforcement; records; fingerprinting and photographing of child or youth with special health care needs taken and submitted to the automated fingerprint identification system (AFIS) and the statewide network of agency photos upon request of parent or guardian; allow.

    SB 38 (Sen. Jones) Law enforcement; records; procedure for fingerprinting and photographing of individual with special health care needs taken and submitted to the automated fingerprint identification system (AFIS) and the statewide network of agency photos upon request of parent or guardian; allow and establish.

    HB 4203 (Rep. LaFave) State; identification cards; secretary of state sharing of photographs taken for official state personal identification card with the department of state police; allow.

    HB 4204 (Rep. Cole) Traffic control; driver license; access to driver license photograph of concealed weapons license holders; allow by department of state police.

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    We need to have Constitutional Carry and negate the need for all these periferal laws.
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