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    The Loneliness of the Liberal Gun Lover

    A common interest with a different perspective.
    The Loneliness of the Liberal Gun Lover

    By Ben Strauss
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    November 4th. 2017




    CONROE, Texas—On a recent Saturday, a 35-year-old Puerto Rican woman who grew up in Spanish Harlem, came out of the shadows. In front of two dozen strangers mopping up the last of their buffet lunch, Miriam O’Quinn revealed two details about herself that she rarely shares, at least not in the same sentence. She voted for Bernie Sanders. And she really likes to shoot guns.

    The reason she had come here, to the banquet room of McKenzie’s Barbecue, was that the other two dozen people in the room were more or less just like her—
    otherwise liberal Democrats who happen to feel just as passionately about the Second Amendment as they do about, say, universal health care. They are members of the Liberal Gun Club, perhaps the oddest crossbreed in American politics.

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    I don't really see an issue with the bold portion of the quoted statement and in truth I like to see liberals who are pro-gun. They have a better chance of spreading knowledge about firearms to other liberals who believe the "facts" about guns shown on the news. They are also more likely to convert fellow liberals to participate in shooting and even owning guns as they are starting on common ground. The more people in the Democrat camp that are pro-gun the less support the party has to push anti-gun agendas. If enough Dems become pro-gun and start voting for pro-gun candidates for Congress or the primaries it can start to have an impact on the party as a whole.

    I also believe you can still call yourself pro 2A and vote Democrat. For example, take someone who is strongly 2A but also gay and wants to get married. I would understand and support their decision to vote for a Democrat who supports gay marriage and is anti-gun over a Republican who is pro-gun but anti-gay. The issue of gay marriage has a more immediate and larger impact on this persons life and they have a strong argument for making the vote that is best for them.

    In the world of one issue voting even strong 2A supporters who have a more important issue may vote for an anti-gun candidate when the pro-gun candidate does not support their #1 issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vansic26 View Post
    I don't really see an issue with the bold portion of the quoted statement and in truth I like to see liberals who are pro-gun. They have a better chance of spreading knowledge about firearms to other liberals who believe the "facts" about guns shown on the news. They are also more likely to convert fellow liberals to participate in shooting and even owning guns as they are starting on common ground. The more people in the Democrat camp that are pro-gun the less support the party has to push anti-gun agendas. If enough Dems become pro-gun and start voting for pro-gun candidates for Congress or the primaries it can start to have an impact on the party as a whole.

    I also believe you can still call yourself pro 2A and vote Democrat. For example, take someone who is strongly 2A but also gay and wants to get married. I would understand and support their decision to vote for a Democrat who supports gay marriage and is anti-gun over a Republican who is pro-gun but anti-gay. The issue of gay marriage has a more immediate and larger impact on this persons life and they have a strong argument for making the vote that is best for them.

    In the world of one issue voting even strong 2A supporters who have a more important issue may vote for an anti-gun candidate when the pro-gun candidate does not support their #1 issue.
    Green stamps. It's frustrating how so many believe the 2A is a topic a certain party strongly protects and upholds. It's not a party issue. It's an American issue. Any issue that promotes personal freedom without infringing upon the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for others should not be a party issue. But hey, I love liberty, I just wish more of my fellow Americans did as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexzor2007 View Post
    Green stamps. It's frustrating how so many believe the 2A is a topic a certain party strongly protects and upholds. It's not a party issue. It's an American issue. Any issue that promotes personal freedom without infringing upon the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for others should not be a party issue. But hey, I love liberty, I just wish more of my fellow Americans did as well.
    Agreed, there are plenty of shooting sports fans on all sides of the aisle and to think otherwise is just obtuse. It just serves the interest of some to paint all of the people that hold socially progressive (liberal) ideals as being anti-2A, when in fact the case is quite different I find.

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    i hope they don't have anything except a five shot revolver or a double barreled shotgun, like the liberal, pro-gunners they elect.

    Don't forget, Gabby Giffords is a pro gun liberal. Do we really need more of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexzor2007 View Post
    Green stamps. It's frustrating how so many believe the 2A is a topic a certain party strongly protects and upholds. It's not a party issue. It's an American issue. Any issue that promotes personal freedom without infringing upon the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for others should not be a party issue. But hey, I love liberty, I just wish more of my fellow Americans did as well.
    Somebody really ought to tell the democrat party leaders that...
    their clear hatred for, and attempts to get around, the 2A are the primary reason I rarely vote for D people now. though their stance on "undocumented citizens" these days is sending me away just as much.
    DISCLAIMER: Disclaimer. The opinions expressed in this post are those of the author, DrScaryGuy. They do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of MGO, its board of directors, or its members.

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    I am very middle of the road politically, I tend to vote Democrat becuase of the socal issues, but I believe in lower taxes and a strong military. While I am a straight White male, I have friends who are not and I can see their side. I think we have become polarized as a society that everyone needs to either be a Vegan, Prius Driving, Gun Hating,Atheist, Socialist OR a Gun Loving, Minority Hating, Anti-Union, bible thumping, white supremacist.....I don't think any of those are fair and I belive nearly everyone lies in the middle. If we could all view things in that way AND Make the government view them that way, everyone would be happier.

    Side note-I definitely believe we should drug test welfare recipients!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan01228 View Post
    I am very middle of the road politically, I tend to vote Democrat becuase of the socal issues, but I believe in lower taxes and a strong military. While I am a straight White male, I have friends who are not and I can see their side. I think we have become polarized as a sociaety that everyone needs to either be a Vegan, Prius Driving, Gun Hating,Atheist, Socialist OR a Gun Loving, Minority Hating, Anti-Union, bible thumping, white supremacist.....I don't think wither of those are fair and I belive nearly everyone lies in the middle. If we could all view things in that way AND Make the government view them that way, everyone would be happier.
    It sounds like you're more Libertarian than anything else. I'm right in the middle too and started identifying with the Libertarian party several years ago. It's not perfect, but I find it to be the easiest for me to support as one of the guys in the middle.

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    I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

    I don't see the need for assault rifles...and I owned them before. I'm fine with more restrictions on who can own firearms and I absolutely believe that the NRA does not support African Americans like it does the people who was created for an ran by. I'm all for gun rights, most of them that I know of anyway, but I do think that this country has an obsession with firearms and there are way too many people obsessed with them who shouldn't have access to them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focused313 View Post
    I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

    I don't see the need for assault rifles...and I owned them before. I'm fine with more restrictions on who can own firearms and I absolutely believe that the NRA does not support African Americans like it does the people who was created for an ran by. I'm all for gun rights, most of them that I know of anyway, but I do think that this country has an obsession with firearms and there are way too many people obsessed with them who shouldn't have access to them at all.
    Just to be clear, would you mind defining "assault rifle." I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just wondering if you mean a semi-automatic firearm or just a firearm that happens to have features that some deem make a firearm an "assault rifle."

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