HB 5414 of 2018 - Lifetime CPL

[Some Donkus]

Among others, one of my primary concerns is the lack of training/refresher classes this implies (granted, I may misunderstand the proposal...) I think there's plenty of cpl licensees that, after their initial pistol course, never really train. These same individuals carry every day thereafter without ever touching base with the basic safety and carry methodology again, let alone legal and practical (equipment, holster, ammo...) Information. I think for individuals such as this (and maybe even those of us who "live and breathe the culture") a mandatory course is the least we can do to ensure safe cpl practices by our breed. Thoughts?

[Roundballer]

Among others, one of my primary concerns is the lack of training/refresher classes this implies (granted, I may misunderstand the proposal...) I think there's plenty of cpl licensees that, after their initial pistol course, never really train. These same individuals carry every day thereafter without ever touching base with the basic safety and carry methodology again, let alone legal and practical (equipment, holster, ammo...) Information. I think for individuals such as this (and maybe even those of us who "live and breathe the culture") a mandatory course is the least we can do to ensure safe cpl practices by our breed. Thoughts?

You took the course to get the CPL to begin with. If you learned it then. you don't need to be taught it again. When was the last time you had a math course? Can you still balance your check book? Could you ever balance the check book? You should have had those kills by the time you were 10 yo or so. Making something like that mandatory is just a continuing infringement on the rights. If you wish to alleviate the concern, make it part of the school curriculum.

There is no way to insure, assure, or ensure that people are not going to do dumb things on occasion. That is the nature of the beast, and there is no law that will change it.

[Some Donkus]

You took the course to get the CPL to begin with. If you learned it then. you don't need to be taught it again. When was the last time you had a math course? Can you still balance your check book? Could you ever balance the check book? You should have had those kills by the time you were 10 yo or so. Making something like that mandatory is just a continuing infringement on the rights. If you wish to alleviate the concern, make it part of the school curriculum.

There is no way to insure, assure, or ensure that people are not going to do dumb things on occasion. That is the nature of the beast, and there is no law that will change it.

The difference between your checkbook analogy and my example is that I can balance a checkbook because I use math everyday. Unfortunately, many people who get their CPL do -not- utilize what they learned in the basic safety course consistently, which is exactly what I posted above. Would you consider a surgeon who performed one surgery 5 years ago and never practiced since to replace your knee or even give you stitches?

Edit: and I agree, legislation doesn't cure stupid nor prevent accidents, but the education Incorporated within -some- legislation can.

[Roundballer]

The difference between your checkbook analogy and my example is that I can balance a checkbook because I use math everyday. Unfortunately, many people who get their CPL do -not- utilize what they learned in the basic safety course consistently, which is exactly what I posted above. Would you consider a surgeon who performed one surgery 5 years ago and never practiced since to replace your knee or even give you stitches?

Edit: and I agree, legislation doesn't cure stupid nor prevent accidents, but the education Incorporated within -some- legislation can.

Education should be early, before the person could even buy one of their own. Educate not legislate.

And your example of the surgeon, surgery like marksmanship is a perishable skill and needs to be practiced. Yet the surgeon would still know HOW to do the surgery just as an individual would know how to handle a firearm safely. non sequitur.

[Leader]

Among others, one of my primary concerns is the lack of training/refresher classes this implies (granted, I may misunderstand the proposal...) I think there's plenty of cpl licensees that, after their initial pistol course, never really train. These same individuals carry every day thereafter without ever touching base with the basic safety and carry methodology again, let alone legal and practical (equipment, holster, ammo...) Information. I think for individuals such as this (and maybe even those of us who "live and breathe the culture") a mandatory course is the least we can do to ensure safe cpl practices by our breed. Thoughts?

Do you also agree that you should have refresher courses & licenses before you are allowed to post on the internet for everyone in the world to see?

[bgreed]

I believe the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right, not a civil right. The former comes from one of our founding documents, while the latter come from the various bills passed into law by Congress (e.g., ADA passed in 1990, FHA passed in 1968, Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, etc.)

Actually your rights come from God this is why they are called unalienable rights in the US Constitution. The US Constitution just enumerates some of those rights.

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[jmonarch]

Among others, one of my primary concerns is the lack of training/refresher classes this implies (granted, I may misunderstand the proposal...) I think there's plenty of cpl licensees that, after their initial pistol course, never really train. These same individuals carry every day thereafter without ever touching base with the basic safety and carry methodology again, let alone legal and practical (equipment, holster, ammo...) Information. I think for individuals such as this (and maybe even those of us who "live and breathe the culture") a mandatory course is the least we can do to ensure safe cpl practices by our breed. Thoughts?

I found this quote that sums up my thoughts pretty well.

“Freedom is messy. In free societies, people will fall through the cracks--drink too much, eat too much, buy unaffordable homes, fail to make prudent provision for health care, and much else. But the price of being relieved of all those tiresome choices by a benign paternal government is far too high. Big Government is the small option: it's the guarantee of smaller freedom, smaller homes, smaller cars, smaller opportunities, smaller lives.”

― Mark Steyn, After America: Get Ready for Armageddon

[luckless]

I believe the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right, not a civil right. The former comes from one of our founding documents, while the latter come from the various bills passed into law by Congress (e.g., ADA passed in 1990, FHA passed in 1968, Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, etc.)

Aren't civil rights all about equality?

"God made man. Sam Colt made him equal."

I think it is a civil right. The anti-gunners don't like that sentiment but it is what it is.

[Warhorse]

Just because some may not have extra money/time to attend additional training courses should not disqualify them from keeping their CPL.

[Leader]

Shall not be infringed.