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    Quote Originally Posted by mikethepike View Post
    (of my deer)
    too late. i've already sent the butcher to your house. I paid up front.
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    This is a good read on CWD

    https://undark.org/article/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd/


    This Doctor from Louisiana State University has a very interesting study on how CWD is transmitted, which makes a lot of sense how CDW doesn't seem to cross the species barrier.

    tseresearchcenter.org




    Field test kits would be great, as long as they don't cost $1,000 a piece or something crazy like that.

    http://tseresearchcenter.org/16-news...search-efforts
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    No mention of this guy being a deer hunter,but it will be interesting to follow the story.

    Tennessee man diagnosed with human version of Mad Cow Disease

    Nashville, TN — A Tennessee man has been diagnosed with a disease few have heard of, it's Cruetzfeldt-Jackob Disease. Also known as CJD, it's the human equivalent to Mad Cow Disease. The diagnosis has changed his family's lives forever.

    WTVF reported that the patient, 32-year-old Tony Gibson, was a happy and healthy father until his symptoms began to show one year ago.

    His Danielle Gibson, said he started acting strangely, and that he became very forgetful.

    "I had to start labeling the rooms in our home. He would get lost going to the grocery store, and someone would call me and say we have your husband," said Danielle.

    Tony's behavior continued, so Danielle took him to Vanderbilt University Medical Center. After doctors ordered multiple tests on her husband, Danielle said a neurologist made a shocking discovery.

    "But he said the worst case scenario being CJD, I said what is that? He said it is the human form of mad cow disease," Danielle said.

    Infectious disease specialists at Vanderbilt, Dr. William Schaffner, did not work on Tony's case, but he says CJD typically impacts about 300 people a year in the United States.

    Schaffner said, "CJD or creutzfeld-jakob disease, is rare brain disorder." Patients with the condition can become anxious, depressed, confused, and the disease progresses quickly. "This is a very tragic disease because there is no treatment, the patients sink into this withdrawal, semi-comatose state," said Schaffner.

    CJD has different forms that can develop randomly, genetically, or after being exposed to infected human tissue during a medical procedure.

    Danielle says she does not know how her husband got CJD. She added that he now requires 24-hour care at a nursing home.

    "This is the most devastating thing. I've seen ALS, I've seen a lot of terrible things, but this has to be the worst," said Danielle.

    Danielle hopes Tony's struggles can help educate others about the unusual disease and its symptoms. WTVF reports that she will stay by his side while he fights the disease.

    "It's unreal, what I've seen this man go through," said Danielle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokepole View Post
    No mention of this guy being a deer hunter,but it will be interesting to follow the story.

    Tennessee man diagnosed with human version of Mad Cow Disease
    I think in the next 5-10 years we will see some major development in understanding this disease. I don't quite understand how CJD, Mad cow & CWD cannot cross the species barrier but all are the same prion disease. This research makes the most since to me http://tseresearchcenter.org/16-news...search-efforts it may be a bacteria that causes the prion proteins to unfold and cause TSE in the brain. Very similar to lyme disease, the tick does not have lyme disease, it carries the bacteria that can cause lyme disease.

    This bacteria may be the reason it's been so difficult to research, track and test for CWD. The deer fight off the bacterial infection after an unknown amount of time than go possibly years before symptoms of CWD start, also an unknown amount of time from when the deer fight of the bacterial infection, incubation period of CWD starts to when the deer may test positive.

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    Ted Nugent is getting some national attention for his opposition to the NRC's deer baiting ban:

    https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoo...er-baiting-ban

    Ted Nugent vows to 'keep fighting' against deer baiting ban
    Alexandra Deabler | Fox News | April 22, 2019


    Musician Ted Nugent has been outspoken about his passion for hunting, which is why he’s now fighting back against a Michigan hunting ban that would prohibit hunters from deer baiting and feeding in the Lower Peninsula.

    Rocker Ted Nugent is fighting back against a Michigan ban that went into effect after Jan. 31 prohibiting hunters from deer baiting and feeding in the Lower Peninsula in an effort to prevent the spread of chronic wasting disease.

    Nugent, who has been outspoken about his passion for hunting, said in an interview that he would be challenging the Natural Resources Commission-approved ban, calling it the “definition of insanity," and is in the process of setting up a rally in Michigan in June to gather support.

    “It breaks my Michigan heart, and I will not give up — I’m going to keep fighting,” said Nugent to M Live.

    The ban, which was approved in August 2018, comes as part of the state’s many changes attempting to limit the spread of chronic wasting disease in deer. Since 2015, the fatal neurological disease has spread to several counties throughout Michigan.

    However, Nugent and several other hunters reportedly feel the ban won’t limit the spread.

    “They don’t need a Michigan hunter to drop a sugar beet for them to have nose-to-nose contact,” Nugent said in the M Live interview. “Deer lick and kiss and nibble and groom each other throughout life. It is so insane that someone would tell you that dropping corn might cause a deer to swap spit.”

    Nugent has drummed up support from others, including state Sen. Curt VanderWall, who sponsored Senate bill 37 calling for the ban to be lifted during open hunting season. The bill is currently with the Senate Natural Resources Committee, but has not been voted on yet, M Live reported.

    The musician has also threatened a lawsuit against the Department of Natural Resources, calling them “anti-hunting liars” — a criticism Dan O’Brien, a veterinarian specialist with the department, has defended against.

    “There are always going to be people who have different opinions, there’s always going to be people who seem to feel that they have some reason that we would lie about it,” said O’Brien to M Live. “We’re dealing with the published science.”

    “You’ve got to try to set up conditions to make it difficult for diseases to get established,” he continued. “The best thing you can hope for is to minimize spread, so we have to do the best we can to prevent the disease from getting established in new areas.”

    However, Nugent is not buying the department’s reasoning.

    “We just want to go hunting,” Nugent said to M Live. “We want to get some deer. We want to balance that herd. We want to save the agriculture and the highway slaughter from an overpopulation. We want to have fun with our family, and we want to eat venison. Just leave me alone.”

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    I saw that and wondered if he truly thinks this way or if the guided hunts he offers on his Michigan ranch has anything to do with his opinion.

    Bow hunting since 1975. I've seen the woods explode with archers (especially when baiting became a "thing to do." The advent of crossbows with super accuracy brought even more "archers" into the woods.
    I have said many times that I wish they would ban baiting, crossbows, and I'd even go so far as tree stands. I knew that would get the October woods back to the way the animals are in August.

    Now that I am older, I could hunt without a tree stand. I can still pull my bow and hit what I am shooting at (don't need a crossbow,) but the baiting.... well... that REALLY helps!

    I wish we knew for certain about this CWD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackam View Post
    .....I wish we knew for certain about this CWD.
    A huge controversy has broken out over the cause of CWD. A Louisiana State University neuropathologist, Frank Bastian, believes that bacteria are actually distorting the prions which cause the disease. If he is correct, a vaccine or antibiotics may be more effective than the current efforts to stop the spread of CWD.

    Bastian is receiving little support from the wildlife management community, however. This could be a replay of the campylobacter pylori role in stomach ulcers, which raged for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10x25mm View Post
    A huge controversy has broken out over the cause of CWD. A Louisiana State University neuropathologist, Frank Bastian, believes that bacteria are actually distorting the prions which cause the disease. If he is correct, a vaccine or antibiotics may be more effective than the current efforts to stop the spread of CWD.

    Bastian is receiving little support from the wildlife management community, however. This could be a replay of the campylobacter pylori role in stomach ulcers, which raged for years.
    Maybe you meant Helicobacter pylori?
    It would be an interesting take, but not necessary. Alzheimers is somewhat similar in that misfolded proteins can aggregate and cause problems, but i don't think we need any special bacteria for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrScaryGuy View Post
    Maybe you meant Helicobacter pylori?
    Looks like campylobacter pylori got renamed helicobacter pylori 30 years ago. They called it campylobacter pylori when my father had a run in with it in 1983.

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