This Is Why We Have Range Safety Officers

[dirtmcgirt76239]

The lowest common denominator is very low. They refuse to learn, take direction, listen. They think good intentions is all that matters.

[hendo]

I have little issue with the Groupon deals and I do think they are a potentially good way to gain new customers or even create new shooters. The problem, as I see it, is that the people buying these sorts of Groupons are not typically experienced shooters, which raises a safety concern.

So again, nothing wrong with having a shooting deal Groupon, but I see that they tend to attract new shooters, which is great! The training part is where these Groupons tend to fall short, IMO. They should have a disclaimer that if you are an un-experienced shooter, additional charges may be applied to get you the proper training beforehand or you may not qualify to use the Groupon.

To sum it all up: If your goal is to attract minimally experienced/un-experienced shooters, then your business plan needs to be able to accommodate the needed training, for everybody's safety. Eradication of negligence through education!

In Wolverine's defense, they did ask people if they needed/wanted some instruction prior to them taking the lane.

[DrScaryGuy]

I have little issue with the Groupon deals and I do think they are a potentially good way to gain new customers or even create new shooters. The problem, as I see it, is that the people buying these sorts of Groupons are not typically experienced shooters, which raises a safety concern.

I was just shooting, and somehow 2 japanese renters in the lane next to me managed to mix up their ammo. 9mm does not cycle a .40 pistol
It does fire though... and can be somewhat unsafe, so after I noticed them have 2 shots in a row that didn't cycle, I dropped what i was doing and popped over to figure out what was going on before a RSO had a chance to get to them. Not sure what went wrong in the front of the shop but i let them know that they let somebody messed up.
Renters were nice enough though, and I didn't notice them doing anything stupid except a little beginner's trigger discipline. I let them try my new LCP (to test if it cycles in noob hands), then gave them each a turn loading and firing a few shots through my AR SBR with silencer.

[Ol` Joe]

I was just shooting, and somehow 2 japanese renters in the lane next to me managed to mix up their ammo. 9mm does not cycle a .40 pistol
It does fire though... and can be somewhat unsafe, so after I noticed them have 2 shots in a row that didn't cycle, I dropped what i was doing and popped over to figure out what was going on before a RSO had a chance to get to them. Not sure what went wrong in the front of the shop but i let them know that they let somebody messed up.
Renters were nice enough though, and I didn't notice them doing anything stupid except a little beginner's trigger discipline. I let them try my new LCP (to test if it cycles in noob hands), then gave them each a turn loading and firing a few shots through my AR SBR with silencer.

You might be surprised at how many of those little chalice shaped empties I see on the range floor. I suspect a lot of what should be more knowledgeable shooters manage to mix them too.


Don't know what range you shot at but it might be in managements favor to limit the caliber of rentals to just one at a time on a lane and make sure the renter is aware of the cartridge he should be using regardless of the renters claimed experience.


BTW .40's don't work well in .45's either. This guy trashed a brand new Ruger.

[SIX29]

Can we do retroactive abortion?

That would be a"Postpartum" abortion.....

[aaron]

What are your thoughts on those groupon deals where people get an hour of pistol rental and ammo (he asked, 95% sure he already knows the answer)?

What's wrong with saving money? What's the issue with groupon?

[DrScaryGuy]

You might be surprised at how many of those little chalice shaped empties I see on the range floor. I suspect a lot of what should be more knowledgeable shooters manage to mix them too.


Don't know what range you shot at but it might be in managements favor to limit the caliber of rentals to just one at a time on a lane and make sure the renter is aware of the cartridge he should be using regardless of the renters claimed experience.


BTW .40's don't work well in .45's either. This guy trashed a brand new Ruger.

You know, I didn't quite understand what I was seeing the first time or two I looked at that. maybe I was tired, maybe I was on my phone...
he fired brass through the barrel... that's just impressive.
Was it really ruined, or maybe just needed some dowel work and possibly a new barrel?

What's wrong with saving money? What's the issue with groupon?

Nothing. It's a great way for people with no idea what they're doing to get a taste of a new hobby for cheap. We use it from time to time.
But most hobbies don't involve holding explosives in your hand or carry the risk of instantly killing people through negligence if you're not paying enough attention during the safety brief...

[Ol` Joe]

You know, I didn't quite understand what I was seeing the first time or two I looked at that. maybe I was tired, maybe I was on my phone...
he fired brass through the barrel... that's just impressive.
Was it really ruined, or maybe just needed some dowel work and possibly a new barrel?

He had both 40 and 45 cal pistols and loaded magazines in his bag at the range and, when he was emptying it on the lane bench he found a loose cartridge in the bottom. He had a 45 magazine in his hand and was chatting with a buddy not really paying attention and managed to slip the cartridge which was a loaded 40 cal in a 45 mag and inserted it in his new 1911 then racked the slide, fired. Nothing. He thought he had a FTF and racked and fired once more. The 40 had somehow hung up in the barrel deep enough to allow the 45 to chamber and was set off by the fired 45 behind it. The empty case and 45 bullet were lodged at the muzzle, barrel expanded to the point the slide had to be cut to remove it, one grip was split, mag blown out the bottom of the well and the frame had a small crack.
Yep ruined.
BTW he is a very experienced shooter, the kind you would never expect to see make this kind of mistake. He said it hurt like ^&**.

[DrScaryGuy]

He had both 40 and 45 cal pistols and loaded magazines in his bag at the range and, when he was emptying it on the lane bench he found a loose cartridge in the bottom. He had a 45 magazine in his hand and was chatting with a buddy not really paying attention and managed to slip the cartridge which was a loaded 40 cal in a 45 mag and inserted it in his new 1911 then racked the slide, fired. Nothing. He thought he had a FTF and racked and fired once more. The 40 had somehow hung up in the barrel deep enough to allow the 45 to chamber and was set off by the fired 45 behind it. The empty case and 45 bullet were lodged at the muzzle, barrel expanded to the point the slide had to be cut to remove it, one grip was split, mag blown out the bottom of the well and the frame had a small crack.
Yep ruined.
BTW he is a very experienced shooter, the kind you would never expect to see make this kind of mistake. He said it hurt like ^&**.

oh, yeah, that would mess some stuff up.
I thought it was a .40 that had fired but not cycled/extracted, so racking another one pushed it in and the second one just jammed everything up.
but i like your story better.

[the.batman]

Seeing that one reminds me of the little girl with a fully automatic submachine gun that lost control of it and killed the instructor standing next to her....