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Thread: HB 4026, 4027, 4028 & 4029 of 2019 - Require CPL for individuals to carry in "pistol-free zones"

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    HB 4026, 4027, 4028 & 4029 of 2019 - Require CPL for individuals to carry in "pistol-free zones"

    HB 4026 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; concealed pistol license for individuals to carry concealed pistols in pistol-free zones; require. Amends secs. 5a, 5b, 5c, 5f, 5o, 12, 12a & 15 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425a et seq.).
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019

    HB 4027 of 2019
    Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; reference in sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019

    HB 4028 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; natural resources and environmental protection act; update references. Amends sec. 43510 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43510). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019

    HB 4029 of 2019
    Crimes; weapons; prohibition on carrying a concealed pistol; eliminate. Amends secs. 227 & 230 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227 & 750.230) & repeals sec. 231a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231a). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019

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    HB 4026 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; concealed pistol license for individuals to carry concealed pistols in pistol-free zones; require. Amends secs. 5a, 5b, 5c, 5f, 5o, 12, 12a & 15 of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425a et seq.).
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019
    I would have hoped that they would just do away with the concept of "no concealed carry zones" but what this does is just as effective.

    HB 4027 of 2019
    Criminal procedure; sentencing guidelines; reference in sentencing guidelines; update. Amends sec. 11b, ch. XVII of 1927 PA 175 (MCL 777.11b). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019

    HB 4028 of 2019
    Weapons; concealed; natural resources and environmental protection act; update references. Amends sec. 43510 of 1994 PA 451 (MCL 324.43510). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019
    These two are just clean-up associated with the changes from the first, and "other" clean-up. Nothing much to see.

    HB 4029 of 2019
    Crimes; weapons; prohibition on carrying a concealed pistol; eliminate. Amends secs. 227 & 230 of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.227 & 750.230) & repeals sec. 231a of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.231a). TIE BAR WITH: HB 4026'19
    Last Action: 1/15/2019 bill electronically reproduced 01/10/2019
    This last one touches on knife law, and doesn't go far enough to clean it up.


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    Not a home run, but looks like at least a double. Think She'll sign it? Needs to get fast tracked out of committee.
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    The way I read HB 4026 of 2019, along with HB 4029 of 2019, makes it so that NO CPL is needed for concealed carry anywhere EXCEPT the listed areas in 28.425o.

    In other words, the requirement to have a CPL seems to be eliminated for everyone (making it like they have a current restricted CPL).
    Having a CPL grants permission to carry in the listed areas of 28.425o.

    Unless I missed something…

    In any case, 4026 needs a little more housekeeping on page 21, lines 4-19.

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    These ones seem pretty good. I'll be following.

    Agreed that HB4029 could clean up knife law quite a bit more... I'm not necessarily happy with just the baby steps, but it's better than nothing.

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    Would be great if it happened, but realistically- it won't. Whitmer isn't going to sign it, and I don't believe there would be enough votes to over-ride.

    IF she did sign it, she'd pick up a bunch of votes next time around.

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    I do see the first road block for ALL of these bills.....

    None of the committees have been setup/established/populated yet.

    The bills are all being assigned to a committee of none!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundballer View Post
    I do see the first road block for ALL of these bills.....

    None of the committees have been setup/established/populated yet.

    The bills are all being assigned to a committee of none!
    The committee assignments are done now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoTom View Post
    The way I read HB 4026 of 2019, along with HB 4029 of 2019, makes it so that NO CPL is needed for concealed carry anywhere EXCEPT the listed areas in 28.425o.

    In other words, the requirement to have a CPL seems to be eliminated for everyone (making it like they have a current restricted CPL).
    Having a CPL grants permission to carry in the listed areas of 28.425o.

    Unless I missed something…

    In any case, 4026 needs a little more housekeeping on page 21, lines 4-19.
    I wonder if and when we might know for sure ?

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    If I'm reading HOUSE BILL No. 4029 correctly, not only is a CPL needed to carry a fixed blade knife but I need to be carrying a gun as well.
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