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Thread: HB 4026, 4027, 4028 & 4029 of 2019 - Require CPL for individuals to carry in "pistol-free zones"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71commander View Post
    If I'm reading HOUSE BILL No. 4029 correctly, not only is a CPL needed to carry a fixed blade knife but I need to be carrying a gun as well.
    I'm not seeing that, at all.

    750.227(1) generally prohibits concealed carry* of stabbing or cutting weapons.
    750.227(2) prohibits concealed carry* of pistols, unless the individual has a CPL.

    HB 2029 amends the above statutes by removing section 2 completely and replacing it with specific language that says that the section does not apply to concealed carry* of pistols (removing the contingency of having a CPL), NOR does it apply to "hunting knives" (just as it didn't before). It is merely a housekeeping shuffle to move BOTH specific items excluded to follow section (1) vs adding concealed pistols exclusionary language to section (1).


    *Concealed carry includes carry in a vehicle, whether concealed or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoTom View Post
    I'm not seeing that, at all.

    750.227(1) generally prohibits concealed carry* of stabbing or cutting weapons.
    750.227(2) prohibits concealed carry* of pistols, unless the individual has a CPL.

    HB 2029 amends the above statutes by removing section 2 completely and replacing it with specific language that says that the section does not apply to concealed carry* of pistols (removing the contingency of having a CPL), NOR does it apply to "hunting knives" (just as it didn't before). It is merely a housekeeping shuffle to move BOTH specific items excluded to follow section (1) vs adding concealed pistols exclusionary language to section (1).


    *Concealed carry includes carry in a vehicle, whether concealed or otherwise.
    Sec. 227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
    stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any
    length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife
    adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her
    person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated
    or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house , or
    place of business or on other land possessed by the person. This
    subsection does not apply to either of the following:
    (b) A person carrying a pistol concealed on or about his or
    her person or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle
    operated or occupied by the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71commander View Post
    Sec. 227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
    stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any
    length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife
    adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her
    person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated
    or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house , or
    place of business or on other land possessed by the person. This
    subsection does not apply to either of the following:
    (b) A person carrying a pistol concealed on or about his or
    her person or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle
    operated or occupied by the person.
    Why did you omit (a)? I'm not getting your point.
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    Didn't seem applicable.
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    The new language proposed by this bill reads as follows:

    Sec. 227. (1) A person shall not carry
    • a dagger,
    • dirk,
    • stiletto,
    • a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length,
    • or any other dangerous weapon,

    concealed on or about his or her person,
    or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person,
    except in his or her dwelling house, OR place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

    THIS SUBSECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING:

    (A) A PERSON CARRYING A HUNTING KNIFE
    ADAPTED AND CARRIED AS A HUNTING KNIFE
    CONCEALED ON OR ABOUT HIS OR HER PERSON
    OR WHETHER CONCEALED OR OTHERWISE IN ANY VEHICLE OPERATED OR OCCUPIED BY THE PERSON.

    (B) A PERSON CARRYING A PISTOL
    CONCEALED ON OR ABOUT HIS OR HER PERSON
    OR WHETHER CONCEALED OR OTHERWISE IN ANY VEHICLE OPERATED OR OCCUPIED BY THE PERSON.
    (A) says it doesn't apply to concealed carry of hunting knives, period.
    (B) says it doesn't apply to concealed carry of pistols, period.

    I am trying to understand how are you reading it to say that you have to have a CPL and carry a pistol in order to carry a fixed blade knife.
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    That was my question if I was reading it to mean that?
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    Mlive ran a story on this Bill (HB4026) today (and several others).
    That's a surprise in itself, but since they did I wonder if we'll see any movement on these?

    It looks like there hasn't been any updates in a while, anyone know of any progress?
    Last edited by dsfoerster; 05-06-2019 at 04:15 PM.

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